Question for Mr. Nichols

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

Interesting thread...

I think in this Defense, this scheme, Barr is very under-rated by many fans. Within his position he's got assignments that frankly leaves more splash opportunity for a kid like Kendricks and the position he plays. 

Very glad to have both...The sum of them together is greater than 1+1 = 2

Similarly to how I feel about Diggs & Theilen. 

Not going to say who is #1 or #2 between AT and Diggs,  but I will say the most important ability is availability,  and Diggs is dinged or out quit a bit which makes it tough to really focus a game plan around him which makes it tough to consider him a #1

Hunter and Kendricks are must sign guys.  Diggs is as well...I'd guess he's gonna be odd man out but who knows at this stage yet.

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

@"Canthony" said:

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

I would agree that the team is very unselfish. I think Diggs and Adam do well for each other. Just makes me wonder if Adam would be the same if he was opposite of an average player.

@"Canthony" said:

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

I would agree that the team is very unselfish. I think Diggs and Adam do well for each other. Just makes me wonder if Adam would be the same if he was opposite of an average player.

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

I would agree that the team is very unselfish. I think Diggs and Adam do well for each other. Just makes me wonder if Adam would be the same if he was opposite of an average player.

well with Diggs often absence, or at least not playing close to healthy, you can check the numbers,  he has proven that he can be effective without Diggs running with him.  Adam just has a knack for finding holes in zones or lulling guys in man to sleep.   

@"greediron" said:

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

I would agree that the team is very unselfish. I think Diggs and Adam do well for each other. Just makes me wonder if Adam would be the same if he was opposite of an average player.

well with Diggs often absence, or at least not playing close to healthy, you can check the numbers,  he has proven that he can be effective without Diggs running with him.  Adam just has a knack for finding holes in zones or lulling guys in man to sleep.   

The only thing I wonder is if defenders are still not taking him serious?  No reason not to, almost 1000 yards in 2016, improved immensely in 17.  But I can't help but think that defenses still don't respect his talent.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Canthony" said:

@"808Vikingsfan" said:

@"NodakViking" said: I think Hunters stats reflect his full tie role as LDE, much like BRob didn't rack up the stats he was integral to the DL success by doing what is asked of that position.  Keep in mind before Griff got hurt he was leading the league in sacks and had at least one in like the first 8 games straight.  Did Hunter play a role in allowing that productivity?  He also doesn't get run on on that side hardly at all.

First post here.   I think you can say the same for Diggs.  Seemed like a common theme where Diggs looked to be a decoy to get Thielen open.  That's why I like this team so much, no one seems selfish.  They sacrifice their numbers for the betterment of the team. 

I would agree that the team is very unselfish. I think Diggs and Adam do well for each other. Just makes me wonder if Adam would be the same if he was opposite of an average player.

LOL...  You just can't give Thielen any praise can you, Can?  Any praise seems to be with the caveat that Diggs is better at X or has Y or Thielen only produces because of Diggs. 

When Diggs missed 2 games, Thielen had 5 catches for 41 yards (against Baltimore) and 9 catches for 96 yards (against Green Bay).  The year before, he had 7 catches for 127 yards and a TD (against Houston) and 8 catches for 53 yards (against Detroit).

Those look like #1 WR numbers to me and he would have had Charles Johnson or Treadwell playing opposite of him.  Why can't you just say that Thielen is a good WR and Diggs is a good WR.  They both can be good players right?

Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

@"Bullazin" said:

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

and you may be right.  I am not the biggest Barr fan and prefer Kendricks but in todays NFL , length and speed seem to be all the rage. Barr does call the D so Z must like his mental game

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

Gedeon is so far from taking over for Kendricks it's not even funny.  Gedeon is a hole plugger  no way he could cover a receiver  or play sideline to sideline like kendricks does.  Not even close to being an acceptable replacement.  I like Gedeon for what he is asked to do,  but let's not kid ourselves, if he was asked to do what Kendricks does it would be ugly as he out there.

@"Bullazin" said:

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

and you may be right.  I am not the biggest Barr fan and prefer Kendricks but in todays NFL , length and speed seem to be all the rage. Barr does call the D so Z must like his mental game

@"BattleLakeRaider" said:

@"RushmoreVike" said:

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

Gedeon is so far from taking over for Kendricks it's not even funny.  Gedeon is a hole plugger  no way he could cover a receiver  or play sideline to sideline like kendricks does.  Not even close to being an acceptable replacement.  I like Gedeon for what he is asked to do,  but let's not kid ourselves, if he was asked to do what Kendricks does it would be ugly as he out there.

You are of course entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

@"BattleLakeRaider" said: Imo, if they are forced to not sign someone based on a monetary standpoint, Kendricks is the odd man out, with Gedeon (sp?) taking over at mike

If it was 1970, Gideon wouldn't be a bad MLB...

Kendricks is the most all around player of these mentioned.  Ive become a big fan. If i had to pick I would reluctantly pick him.

 Barr is a physical freak and his speed makes it very hard for QBs using play action to have a great game (ask Erin). He has a sneaky speed.  The Vikes took a lot of heat for taking him so high because he was very raw.  I think he will continue to get better.

The problem with losing Diggs is who will replace him?  Guys made some surprising points that Adam has the better numbers and stays on the field better.  But both guys make each other better and they will need to identify and train a new guy.  

The draft will tell us a lot.