Cousins to the Vikings already a done deal?

@"Poiple" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

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Happy was just applying Sticky’s logic to point out the fallacy of the Vikings not offering Keenum a contract so they must not think much of him.
If thats the case then they must not like Sam or Teddy either.

As I pointed out its not that they dont like them, its that there may be someone else they think is possibly better.

Who says I dont want Cousins?  I think he is probably the best available.  I am all for it.  But I will support whatever the front office goes with.

Only thing goofy was your argument.  Its a silly pretext.  go read what u wrote.  geez.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Poiple" said: Cousins might be better, and if so I hope the team lands him and can afford to bring back Diggs and co.  Diggs is going to be a huge contract.

Diggs' contract discussion is going to be very interesting, because I think he may believe as you do - that he deserves a huge contract. He might even think he should be in the WR stratosphere like Mike Evans, or at least worth 2/3 of Evans' deal, and asking for something around $9-$11M/year.
But I wouldn't give him much more than the deal we signed Thielen to last year. Based on what he has done, Diggs shouldn't get more than about $6M/year; would you pay him more? Not sure he will accept that, so I don't think he will get re-signed early.

Diggs is a solid reciever but isnt a game changer.  He doesnt command double and triple coverage. I guessed he would be in the $12 million range.

If he continues to improve and has a great year with Cousins he could pass that mark.  It will make it tough to resign him.

Apparantly some here with a reading comprehension difficulties will instantly jump out their butts to the conclusion that I must not like Diggs. smh..

 His is the only autographed Vikings piece I have ever owned.  pretty proud of it too. lol

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

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@"Poiple" said: Diggs is a solid reciever but isnt a game changer.  He doesnt command double and triple coverage. I guessed he would be in the $12 million range.

If he continues to improve and has a great year with Cousins he could pass that mark.  It will make it tough to resign him.

Apparantly some here with a reading comprehension difficulties will instantly jump out their butts to the conclusion that I must not like Diggs. smh..

 His is the only autographed Vikings piece I have ever owned.  pretty proud of it too. lol

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own. 

@"StickyBun" said: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/972249332719251457

I think the price is high but it depends on how he plays this year and how the market shakes out. Do they draft a young guy capable of filling his shoes? Also how they frame the contract with incentives could make it more affordable. 

I expect a bidding war for him if they let him test free agency.

If they pay Cousins and have several of our Defensive stars due for extensions there will be some tough choices to make.

His biggest asset may be that he has been healthy. Cindy Rice drove me nuts lol

@"PurplePastor" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own. 

Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Poiple" said:

Kirk and Cousins?  Is that James Thaddeus Kirk?

James Tiberius Kirk..

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"PurplePastor" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own. 

Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.

Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no concerns about Teddy's knee?

@"Poiple" said: I think they are fans.  Zimmer seemed slow to come around but he has nothing but praise for the job he did, how hard he prepares and what a good leader and team mate he is. Only guys here complain that he is a tier 3 QB, a one shot wonder, lost the NFCC game single handly and should have had more picks.  I dont give much creedence to their opinions. But if there is. faster horse in the race Zimmer is going to ride it. Pretty sure Rick has the final say on that.

As for the opinion's of others, I don't know how many people here have actually said the things you've attributed to them.  From what I've seen, you infer that from any opinion that prefers someone else over Keenum.  You've "gone after" me for my opinions, and I have NEVER said any of the things you listed.  I've said that Keenum has had ONE good season in his career, so there's no way to know if he'll be able to replicate it.  Then you said that he did it for 15 games which was proof that his success was not a fluke.  Then I posted a hand-ful of examples of QBs who had 1 good season and were- otherwise- mediocre.  You dismissed those examples... and then steered the conversation somewhere else.

Bottom line: we (fans) want the team to win a SB before we die.  If we don't think that Case is the QB, that hardly makes us the ignorant dolts that you've made us out to be (for whatever reason I can only imagine).  Statistically speaking, Cousins is a better QB.  Statistics do not win games.  So ALL any of us have to base our opinions on... is our own, personal viewpoints (and what we *think* is the measure of a "franchise" QB).  If you want to denigrate everyone who doesn't agree with you, I guess that's your right.  But don't be surprised when you get a little push-back from others who think they know as much about football as you do.

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@"PurplePastor" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"PurplePastor" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: why isn't the Viking's organization Keenum fans? The fans aren't making the calls on who will be the QB, they aren't the ones supposedly pursuing Cousins. 

Sticky, why do you think the Vikes don't like Keenum?  Do you think they dislike Sam and Teddy too?

Those three QBs are probably the most often discussed QB options for the Vikes.   There's a good chance the Vikes won't land Cousins.  If they don't, don't you think they start looking at Case, Teddy, and Sam?  If so, why would they do that if they didn't like them?

I guess I haven't read all of Sticky's posts on the subject...  but I think you're taking his comments out of context.  It's not that the Vikings don't like Keenum, Bradford, or Teddy...  it's that they like Cousins a bit more.  They clearly have a "Plan A" and that isn't one of our 3 in-house options.  If Bradford, Keenum, or Teddy were Plan A, we would have re-signed one of them before the start of FA (or applied the tag to let us negotiate a long-term contract).  Connecting the dots says one of those guys is our Plan B and ol' Kirky Poo is Plan A.

My hunch all along has been that the Vikings were trying to decide between Cousins and Bridgewater. And that Cousins, because he's been remarkably durable for three straight seasons, is in the lead. Just not sure it's the slam dunk that some think it is. If the price goes nuts, I would not be surprised at all if the Vikings turn their attention back to one of their own. 

Ya. That's the only reason Cousins would be in the lead over Bridgewater. I'm not a Bridgewater hater. I actually like him, but Bridgewater threw for 1,000 + yards less than Cousins and half the TDs. Performance does have something to do with it too.

Do you really think we'd be having this conversation if there were no concerns about Teddy's knee?

Yes. He hasn't played for 2 years. He was not great when he played. He was improving and better than what the Vikes were used to having at QB for years. However, he was not turning heads. His ceiling and poise were very encouraging. But what we saw when he came in for a few plays this past season, suggest that he has regressed. He was not up to the speed of the game and looked very uncomfortable; expectantly so. How long would it take for him to get up to speed and take off where he left off? The Vikes are in a win now mode. They need at least what Teddy was in 2015 and what we had hoped for in 2016. Assuming his knee is 100%, we just don't know we will get 2015 (and I believe we need more than that) or the hopes of 2016 or something far less. To run with him is really risky. IMO it is too risky. That is what puts Cousins ahead of Bridgewater. Cousins has 3 solid years of work on a not-so-good team. On the basis of his performance, he would help us in our win now mode. We don't know what we have that in Bridgewater.

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