Cousins to the Vikings already a done deal?

So Cousins has performed well but has not won much because his OL has been subpar, the Redskins' running game has been subpar, and the Redskins' defense has been subpar.  And we are talking about an owner who is never shy about spending money in FA, being limited only by the salary cap.
Assuming Cousins is serious about winning, he must realize   that he cannot do it alone. He needs help from a lot of good players. And those guys need to get paid, too. Otherwise you end up with a subpar OL, a subpar defense, and a subpar running game. May as well stay in Washington for that.

Agent - Hey Rick!  Wanna catch a late lunch about 3-25 to 3-30?  I'm 80% guaranteed you'll like the salad if you add the right dressing.  Let me know  

@"StickyBun" said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919925/article/von-miller-kirk-cousins-would-make-us-super-bowl-contenders?campaign=Twitter_atn

Nonsense. The defense is good, but the offense, especially the offensive line, is nowhere near Super Bowl contention. 

@"AllBS" said: Agent - Hey Rick!  Wanna catch a late lunch about 3-25 to 3-30?  I'm 80% guaranteed you'll like the salad if you add the right dressing.  Let me know  

RS: 3:25 is a little late, but I think I can do it. I'm like 75% sure I can.  Brez says he wants to join us.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Unless all media outlets are wrong on a massive scale, this Cousins to the Vikings thing looks real. Obviously, the Vikings view this as the best way to go. Moving on from Bridgewater and Keenum is very interesting and telling.

I have to agree and the fact that the Vikings have not extended anyone YET is telling.  To me.

Now they could decide to offer someone a deal right before free agency but that seems strange too.

It does not infer they had much confidence in the player they would sign.

Why wait so long if that is the QB you wanted all along?

Seems to me the Vikings are not really confident in any of the current 3 QBs.

They may have to "settle" for one of them but if they really believed in one of them then it would have been over by now.

At least that is what I think.

So why are we talking about it incessantly?

Because the team, not us, has not made a decision.

I think they will get Cousins without a doubt.

He said he wanted to win and this is the best team.

The money will not be an issue.

Cousins won't stop us from keeping our team together, will help us in the high scoring game, but now we are who we are... we probably can't ADD anyone else. Is Cousins that last missing piece? Can Rick do enough through the draft or add a 2nd and 3rd tier guy to finish it off? Because now we are basically who we are if we want to keep that D (and Diggs) plus KC8 on this team.

BS.  91 Million.  Exactly 1 million more than what the Jets were supposedly offering.  

@"Neptizzle" said: Cousins won't stop us from keeping our team together, will help us in the high scoring game, but now we are who we are... we probably can't ADD anyone else. Is Cousins that last missing piece? Can Rick do enough through the draft or add a 2nd and 3rd tier guy to finish it off? Because now we are basically who we are if we want to keep that D (and Diggs) plus KC8 on this team.

last year we got 3 starters in the draft. so if we can get an OL or DT that starts that is going to go a long way is getting us there. but if we sign cousins i doubt theres any other first tier FAs coming this year. hopefully we can find a gem or two in FA for cheap. or you dont sign one of our stars in 19 and swap out that with someone today. with cousins we have 2-3 years worth of a window to get it done. 

Just an FYI on a potential deal with Cousins, the Vikings can offer roughly $50K less per every $1M compared to the Jets off of income taxes alone. So for example if the Jets offer a 5 year $150M deal the Vikings could offer a 5 year $142.5M deal and Kirk would be taking home the same amount. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Just an FYI on a potential deal with Cousins, the Vikings can offer roughly $50K less per every $1M compared to the Jets off of income taxes alone. So for example if the Jets offer a 5 year $150M deal the Vikings could offer a 5 year $142.5M deal and Kirk would be taking home the same amount. 

counting MI reciprocity right?

At that price you really have to wonder what our other three QBs price will be.

With the need to add to reaign a few young stars and the need for quality depth to prevent a repeat of the Vikings playoff performance, that extra money would go a long way.

90 million guranteed for a mediocre QB is starting to feel a tiny bit like the Herschel Walker trade in that it will affect the teams future for several years.

If Teddy goes elsewhere and plays great.....

@"Poiple" said: At that price you really have to wonder what our other three QBs price will be.

With the need to add to reaign a few young stars and the need for quality depth to prevent a repeat of the Vikings playoff performance, that extra money would go a long way.

90 million guranteed for a mediocre QB is starting to feel a tiny bit like the Herschel Walker trade in that it will affect the teams future for several years.

If Teddy goes elsewhere and plays great.....

It would be nothing like the Herschel Walker trade. That was the biggest cluster$%^& in NFL history. Its not even a comparison.

Players/Draft Picks Received by the Dallas Cowboys

• LB Jesse Solomon
• LB David Howard
• CB Issiac Holt
• RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
• DE Alex Stewart
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
• Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Solomon) – (12) (Alvin Harper)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Howard) – (38) (Dixon Edwards)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Holt) – (37) (Darren Woodson)
• Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Nelson) – (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional on cutting Stewart) – (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)

How could anything compare even remotely to this unmitigated disaster? Listen, I get that some fans aren't down with signing Cousins, which is cool, but let's not exaggerate the potential negative impact. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Poiple" said: At that price you really have to wonder what our other three QBs price will be.

With the need to add to reaign a few young stars and the need for quality depth to prevent a repeat of the Vikings playoff performance, that extra money would go a long way.

90 million guranteed for a mediocre QB is starting to feel a tiny bit like the Herschel Walker trade in that it will affect the teams future for several years.

If Teddy goes elsewhere and plays great.....

It would be nothing like the Herschel Walker trade. That was the biggest cluster$%^& in NFL history. Its not even a comparison.

Players/Draft Picks Received by the Dallas Cowboys

• LB Jesse Solomon
• LB David Howard
• CB Issiac Holt
• RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
• DE Alex Stewart
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
• Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Solomon) – (12) (Alvin Harper)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional on cutting Howard) – (38) (Dixon Edwards)
• Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Holt) – (37) (Darren Woodson)
• Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional on cutting Nelson) – (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
• Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional on cutting Stewart) – (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)

How could anything compare even remotely to this unmitigated disaster? Listen, I get that some fans aren't down with signing Cousins, which is cool, but let's not exaggerate the impact. 

So Poiple, three seasons of 4k yards and top 6 QBR posted by Cousins is mediocre. What does that make Keenum then? 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Just an FYI on a potential deal with Cousins, the Vikings can offer roughly $50K less per every $1M compared to the Jets off of income taxes alone. So for example if the Jets offer a 5 year $150M deal the Vikings could offer a 5 year $142.5M deal and Kirk would be taking home the same amount. 

counting MI reciprocity right?

@"FSUVike" said: So Poiple, three seasons of 4k yards and top 6 QBR posted by Cousins is mediocre. What does that make Keenum then? 

look, id rather keep Teddy and see what he has before giving up on him.  however, if we dont keep him, im most comfortable with Cousins. seeing people down play how good he has been is kinda weird. i can understand worrying about his turnovers at inoppurtune times. but the guy is a top ten qb. he played on badly ran Redskins team who never appear orgnaized and lost a good GM to alcoholism. 

who cares how much we pay him. if the staff and gm like the idea, i like the idea. i actually like the 3 year option. use his prime years and groom a QB taken in this draft. 

im aftually ok with any of our four options. we are still best team in NFC north and will have a playoff team. chip chair chance in playoffs

We lost the NFC Championship -- and almost lost the Divisional game -- because of deficiencies on the O-Line and D-Line.  Keenum was fine.

It's up for debate (ha!), but I think Teddy gives us the most production per dollar.  Use the draft and the rest of the cap to improve the Lines, and let's go!

@"SmashmouthD" said: It's up for debate (ha!), but I think Teddy gives us the most production per dollar.  Use the draft and the rest of the cap to improve the Lines, and let's go!

A lot of people are making arguments based on a "price" for Teddy Bridgewater that has no market basis, and I believe Bridgewater himself would not agree with any of the bargain rates which are assumed. Fans have argued that we can sign BOTH Bridgewater and Bradford for less than Cousins, or suggested numbers like $10M/year or less for Bridgewater. Why would Bridgewater think he is worth so little? Here are 4 QBs who reached free agency after their rookie contracts:

• Brock Osweiler: 7 career starts, 11 TDs, 6 INTs - 4 year contract for $18M/year
• Mike Glennon: 18 career starts, 30 TDs, 15 INTs - 3 year contract for $15M/year
• Jimmy Garoppolo: 7 career starts, 12 TDs, 5 INTs - 5 year contract for $27.5M/year
• Teddy Bridgewater: 28 career starts, 28 TDs, 22 INTs

One of these is far more accomplished than the others, and also has an 11-5 season, playoff start, and +3,000 yard passing season on his resume. So why would Bridgewater and his agent say, "Oh thank you so much, Vikings, I'm delighted to sign a deal for half what Osweiler or Glennon got - even though the salary cap and QB salaries are even higher then when they signed!" If Bridgewater had somehow hit free agency after his 2015 season, he would be offered contracts of $20M per year and above. The only reason you can discount Teddy is if you believe he is damaged goods. If the Vikings have approached him with that kind of offer, he doesn't want it - he doesn't believe he is damaged goods. He is going to argue with other teams that he is 100% healthy and should be judged on his NFL achievements. Maybe he's fooling himself, but that's his right and he might find some team is impressed with his health and workouts and will give him a lot - at least more than $10M, which is a low salary by NFL starting quarterback standards. The idea we could either have Cousins, or have Bridgewater PLUS an extra $20M in cap space, is unrealistic. No way Bridgewater would take a cheap deal unless every other team rejects him in free agency.

I'm pretty certain that if Cousins DOES get a record-setting contract, the Packers will break the record with Erin shortly afterward.

@"Zanary" said: I'm pretty certain that if Cousins DOES get a record-setting contract, the Packers will break the record with Erin shortly afterward.

yup...I remember when everyone was floored when we signed Hutch to the deal we did. $90mm or so for Cousins will not look all that impressive 24 mos from now. 

I was all for Keenum till he faced some stiff post-season play and his QBR dropped to the 70's...Now he might improve next year from the experience and with Dalvin back, but I'm not all in on him. Cousins gives me pause as well, just not quite as much. 

Tier 2 for me is Bradford and I could not turn the keys over the Bridgewater at this point.