Every Teddy long pass from 2015

@"JimmyinSD" said: I thought he looked noticeably stronger than Case,  and Teddy actually could have benefitted by taking a page out of Cases play book and put a little more air under some of those throws. ( not punt hang time like some of Cases throws were, but a little more air for receiver to be able to make an adjustment on) One thing to keep in mind is a lot of those throws were in very predictable situations as Norv didnt use much creativity early in the downs)  I have a hard time taking to much from that video good or bad as that season was such a mess offensively and only being Teddys second season.

I never thought that Case had anything but a more than adequate arm last year.  However I definitely felt that arm strength was Teddy’s biggest issue during his time here as a starter, and almost all media outlets continue to mention it when the comparing the 3 QBs.

What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

If everyone wants a QB with a consistently good deep ball, they should be lobbying hard for the Vikings to sign Cousins.  He's been one of the best at it the past couple years...  Pair him up with Diggs and Thielen (top 5 in contested catches this season) and watch his numbers REALLY take off.

Again, I think Case has a stronger arm than Teddy, and look at how many of the deep balls in that video that Teddy never even gave his WRs a chance on, because he either threw the ball out of bounds (not on purpose) or just flat out missed the WR.

@Wetlander Case played in the NFC Championship game, threw the Minnesota Miracle, and led the team to more wins than _anyone_ would have expected at the beginning of the season and a lot of people didn't even expect 12 games into it.  And he avoided sacks like some sort of ninja.

How does that not buy him a pass?

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

They arent.  Not even worth trying to compare.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you.   the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: dear lord the comments here about teddy are funny. its hard repeating the same bs to these guys. like talking to a wall. 

The answer isn't clear cut, no matter who you might favor for QB. 

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you.   the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.

We all know playcalling and blocking have quite a bit to do with a QBs success.  Case had a great year, and I really like him.  But, he never had a great season before this one.  Seems logical to me that Teddy, Sam, or Cousins would also be better with smart playcalling and an OLine that can provided a strong rushing game and protect the QB.  The pass protection for both Teddy and Sam was total crap when they were starters.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

Is that a joke? Look, there are good points to made on both sides of this debate. This isn't one of them.  

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: dear lord the comments here about teddy are funny. its hard repeating the same bs to these guys. like talking to a wall. 

Are you here just to bag on those who view Teddy as possibly not the answer? We know, you are pro-Teddy....that's cool. I think we are all pro-Teddy the person, he's a great young man. Its Teddy the player with the questions marks about that leg that draws debate and rightly so. 

The answer isn't clear cut, no matter who you might favor for QB. 

The whole problem which I have not seen anyone mention is that this video is from two freaking years and one terrible injury ago.

To assume that Teddy will get back to his old playing form and get better is taking a lot of liberty.

There is not a long list (I cannot find anyone besides maybe a Willis McGahee) who have come back from a similar type injury (not just a couple of ligament tears) and have had success.

This is the entire problem for me.

If the Vikings were still rebuilding then I would be fine with Teddy being put back out there and given a chance to sink or swim.

But this team is ready to win now and looking at the contracts on the team the next 3 years are pretty crucial.

After that some players may be gone or asked to redo their deals (like Griffen or Joseph for example).

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you.   the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.

@"Poiple" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"Wetlander" said: What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball...  yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield...  and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.

Teddy and Case both had these recievers. Diggs Thielen wright Rudy  Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.

Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case...  Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games...  Thielen was a special teams player...  and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.

I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.

Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.

if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you.   the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.

We all know playcalling and blocking have quite a bit to do with a QBs success.  Case had a great year, and I really like him.  But, he never had a great season before this one.  Seems logical to me that Teddy, Sam, or Cousins would also be better with smart playcalling and an OLine that can provided a strong rushing game and protect the QB.  The pass protection for both Teddy and Sam was total crap when they were starters.

while some of that is true, there is no doubt that Case brought something of himself to the table. He. oved around the pocket better than Teddy or Sam, extended plays with his legs often and had 22TDs to only 7 Ints.  I know that his mobility helped the O line mask a few of their deficiencies, and maybe that is something that should be recognized.

Guys like Montana and Tark werent known for their arm strength but instead combined their mobility with accuracy.  The ability to keep your eyes downfield and sense when it is time to move and which direction is not something eveyone posseses.  It puzzles me why many who saw it all season long now choose to ignore it.