So how will DeFilippo go about analyzing our "current" QB's?
Have been wondering this morning about this. First, Im sure he will get the low down on the health of TB and Sam. He has seen Sam and Case play from an opponents view point. But how much does he know about TB / Slotter and their abilities and where they're at?
Does he have a sit down with each QB and interview them to get a better feel for their QB IQ? Does he run all of them through a day of watching them throw up close and personal to get a real evaluation of their arms/ their "touch" on shorter throws / accuracy both mid and long throws and see what are the real strengths and weaknesses (And can he actually do this since the season is over?)? Or does he just go on what he sees on film etc. and what he hears from the coaches who have seen them on the practice field/ games?
Just very curious how he is going to evaluate the current guys we may try to retain at QB, knowing he will want the guy who is going to fit his system.
i am betting that he will get a lot of tape from practices, (seeing how they handle repetitive throws shows if a guy is really weak at certain types of throws or if a deficiency in a game situation is maybe a different issue) as well as game tape on them. I doubt the CBA would allow him to do much with them in person (although being that they are all going to be free agents in a few weeks that might be different??)
I'd guess he sits down with Stefanski before he's allowed to leave and maybe gives Shurmur a call. Then probably goes over Case and Bradfords game tape and Bridgewater's practice tape. I'm not sure if he can bring them in for a competition during the offseason. I bet Zimmer has a pretty strong opinion at this point.
I think this gets very intriguing in that our new OC has at least some familiarity with Bradford, but also may be eyeing Cousins or Foles. This may spell trouble for Teddy, but everything is speculation at this point.
@"medaille" said: I'd guess he sits down with Stefanski before he's allowed to leave and maybe gives Shurmur a call. Then probably goes over Case and Bradfords game tape and Bridgewater's practice tape. I'm not sure if he can bring them in for a competition during the offseason. I bet Zimmer has a pretty strong opinion at this point.thats an interesting angle. Flipper and Shurmur should become new BFFs as there are likely few out there that could help the other much more than they can help each other. They could just trade notes from the last couple years both on their previous players but also their competition.
The Vikings will re-sign Case Keenum and Teddy Bridgewater in 2018
The move will force a quarterback competition in camp to see who will be the Week 1 starter. Keenum will be a hot commodity in free agency, but I doubt teams are going to go all-in on a quarterback who has had only one stellar season as a starter. Minnesota has the cap space to pay Keenum upward of $15 million to $20 million for a short-term deal and give Bridgewater a contract for $8 million to $10 million. That's a substantial price tag for a backup, but who knows whether the dynamic will stay that way come training camp. Keenum got the Vikings to the NFC Championship Game this year, but Minnesota has invested too much in Bridgewater's recovery to part ways with him now. Given how they planned out their cap space for 2018, bringing back both seems like the easiest option. -- Courtney Cronin
@"JimmyinSD" said:Why would Shumur 'help' the vikings keep the better QB that he would be facing down the road?@"medaille" said: I'd guess he sits down with Stefanski before he's allowed to leave and maybe gives Shurmur a call. Then probably goes over Case and Bradfords game tape and Bridgewater's practice tape. I'm not sure if he can bring them in for a competition during the offseason. I bet Zimmer has a pretty strong opinion at this point. thats an interesting angle. Flipper and Shurmur should become new BFFs as there are likely few out there that could help the other much more than they can help each other. They could just trade notes from the last couple years both on their previous players but also their competition.
@"mblack" said:the Giants are a ways away from worrying about the Vikings in the playoffs, however the Giants will be facing the defending superbowl champs twice this coming year, if Shurmur wants some inside info on the iggles, he will have to play nice with the information he has.@"JimmyinSD" said:Why would Shumur 'help' the vikings keep the better QB that he would be facing down the road?@"medaille" said: I'd guess he sits down with Stefanski before he's allowed to leave and maybe gives Shurmur a call. Then probably goes over Case and Bradfords game tape and Bridgewater's practice tape. I'm not sure if he can bring them in for a competition during the offseason. I bet Zimmer has a pretty strong opinion at this point. thats an interesting angle. Flipper and Shurmur should become new BFFs as there are likely few out there that could help the other much more than they can help each other. They could just trade notes from the last couple years both on their previous players but also their competition.
@"Zanary" said: I think this gets very intriguing in that our new OC has at least some familiarity with Bradford, but also may be eyeing Cousins or Foles. This may spell trouble for Teddy, but everything is speculation at this point.
Or he is really intrigued by the possibilities of Teddy and that could spell trouble for the others. Omg! The speculation and possibilities are endless.
well, I'll throw this out--knowing absolutely nothing about the situation! we know Zim has always loved TB. He seems to have never completely warmed to Case. When Sam was eligible, he made Sam, Case's backup. From those things you could speculate that they will toll Teddy, keep Sam as the starter for now, and Case will cash in as a starter somewhere else.
Maybe...
i am sure defillipo will have the biggest say in who the vikings Qb order will consist of. I doubt he is looking for mediocrity fresh off a super bowl win. You can read into that whatever you want.
@"kmillard" said: i am sure defillipo will have the biggest say in who the vikings Qb order will consist of. I doubt he is looking for mediocrity fresh off a super bowl win. You can read into that whatever you want.Well, he still reports to Mike Zimmer, Rick Spielman and Ziggy Wilf and those guys will have a lot to say about this. If the Vikings do this right, and I suspect they will, everyone will have input into the decision and Flip's opinion will be very important.
Reading way more into it than I probably should, you could look at the kind of QBs Philly has. He was the QB coach when Philly drafted Wentz in 2016 and brought in Nick Foles in 2017. I doubt he had much say in those decisions, but I'm sure he had some input. Both are prototypes in terms of size. Both 6-5 plus and over 230 lbs with good arms. So on film the QB who is going to look the most familiar to him is Sam Bradford. He was also the QB coach for the Raiders when they drafted Derek Carr, who probably has one of the strongest arms in the NFL.
I could be just wishful thinking here (because I have Case Keenum 4th on my wish list), but if Flip fancies himself a QB whisperer, then he may not want to hitch his offense (and his career) to a QB with so many size, arm and accuracy limitations. On the other hand, Keenum's decisiveness, durability and gunslinger mentality (read: BALLS) might be exactly what he's looking for to run the RPO.
heres an article on what Flipper wants in a QB....
https://scout.com/nfl/vikings/Article/New-Minnesota-Vikings-offensive-coordinator-John-DeFilippo-details-his-top-quarterback-traits-114935548?utm_source=Scout%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=180209_151935_Minnesota%20Vikings&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=E6-6E-B7-37-BF-49-AD-2E-BA-24-2F-76-0C-4B-63-5D180209_151935MinnesotaVikings
“Character is number one for me. If you have character at that position, you have a chance to succeed. If you don’t have it, you have zero chance to succeed. So, number one, we’re going to look for a person that’s going to represent our football team in a way and conduct himself the way we want him, both on and off the football field. That’s very, very important,” he said Friday on a conference call with reporters less than 24 hours after being hired. “Number two, the three most important attributes of playing the quarterback position are decision-making, timing and accuracy.”
“The guy that shows some form of leadership. You don’t need to be a rah-rah guy all the time, but you need to show some form of leadership so other guys will follow you, look up to you and, when times get tough, will play for you,” he said. “And so all those things I just mentioned are very important components to the quarterback position.”
and the one that has Bradford packing his bags...
“Athleticism is a unique trait for a quarterback. There’s different types of athleticism for a quarterback. There’s guys like the Michael Vick type and those types and then there’s guys that have great athleticism moving their feet in the pocket to keep plays alive to extend plays,” DeFilippo said. “I’m not a big believer in quarterbacks that are a stick in the mud back there, they’re in cement back there at 7½ yards deep. Our quarterbacks are going to have to show some form of athleticism.”
“Whatever they ask me to do, in terms of researching the players that we’re going to research, I’m going to leave no stone unturned. We talked about it last night – it has to be a collaborative effort, something that we all agree on,” he said. “Because when it’s divided – I’ve been through this situation before, searching for Derek Carr and Carson Wentz. I have some experience in this situation of trying to find your quarterback to lead your football team. As much or as little of my input as they want, I’ll give that. But I know whatever information I give them will be very educated and very researched.”
@"JimmyinSD" said: and the one that has Bradford packing his bags...“Athleticism is a unique trait for a quarterback. There’s different types of athleticism for a quarterback. There’s guys like the Michael Vick type and those types and then there’s guys that have great athleticism moving their feet in the pocket to keep plays alive to extend plays,” DeFilippo said. “I’m not a big believer in quarterbacks that are a stick in the mud back there, they’re in cement back there at 7½ yards deep. Our quarterbacks are going to have to show some form of athleticism.”
Eh...I think the whole "Sam the Statue" thing was overstated to a fare-thee-well, because he had to move just to survive in 2016. He's no scrambler, but he's more mobile than he is portrayed to be.
@"JimmyinSD" said: heres an article on what Flipper wants in a QB....
That's interesting. I hadn't seen that. No big revelations, other than the mobility thing. To that, I would say that Bradford is no less mobile than Foles, but if he can pick and choose between Case, Sam, Teddy and Kirk, that could be a factor.
@"Zanary" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: and the one that has Bradford packing his bags...“Athleticism is a unique trait for a quarterback. There’s different types of athleticism for a quarterback. There’s guys like the Michael Vick type and those types and then there’s guys that have great athleticism moving their feet in the pocket to keep plays alive to extend plays,” DeFilippo said. “I’m not a big believer in quarterbacks that are a stick in the mud back there, they’re in cement back there at 7½ yards deep. Our quarterbacks are going to have to show some form of athleticism.”
Eh...I think the whole "Sam the Statue" thing was overstated to a fare-thee-well, because he had to move just to survive in 2016. He's no scrambler, but he's more mobile than he is portrayed to be.
Sam can move a little, but he got hit a lot more than he should have due to not moving up/around in the pocket when there was room to do so. His knees are not going to allow him to do much designed running/rollouts either if that is what Flipper is looking for.
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