Anyone else got a gut feeling the Vikings QB is going to be Teddy?

@"Bezerker88" said: So only Teddy can be excused for being amped up?  I thought he was GUMP?   Sam wasn’t amped up on his first game, Monday night “everyone watching”?  Case wasn’t amped at his chance to earn millions in a new contract if he plays well?  If Teddy hadn’t thrown high in his previous seasons I coudn’t care less about that INT in mop up.  But his accuracy is a question.... is it not?  

All three QBs have questionable futures.  People assume Sam will not play a 16 game season in his career again.  Case is assumed to already hit his ceiling.  But Teddy’s assumptions are all positives?   I don’t understand that train of thought and just offering up reasons (within the apples to apples criteria) behind that.  

by the way,  all QBs throw high when they are getting hit alot (which Teddy was)  Case threw high a shit load this year,  and Sam sailed his share as well.  Its a natural degradation of the throwing mechanics to get the arm ahead of the rest of the body when rushed.  Teddy and Sam were getting planted a lot in a very short amount of time,  Case often would hang onto the ball waiting for his primary targets routes to develop and allow the pressure to get to him,  either way its a mechanical issue and one that is typically fixed unless a QB gets shell shocked ala David Carr... then there is no hope.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Bezerker88" said: Look, you guys stated that we should only compare “apples to apples” when discussing the QB position so that’s what I’m trying to do.  I can only focus on Teddy’s 2017 season under our then OC, same line scheme, same head coach same whatever.  Is it fair?  No... and I know that, it’s extremely obvious that it’s not.  But it’s the only “stats” allowed if you want to discuss “apples to apples”.   Sam had a huge first game vs Saints(2017 Playoff team)under Pat.  Case struggled his first outing vs the Steelers(2017 Playoff team) under Pat.  Teddy threw a pick and an incomplete pass(could be called a “bad throw” but the receiver got his hands on it so that should be a catch at the NFL level) vs the Bengals(7-9 2017 team... 5-8 when we played them) under Pat.

Sam’s first six plays trailing by 3.  
Sam Bradford pass complete short middle to Dalvin Cook for 4 yards

Dalvin Cook middle for 1 yard

Sam Bradford pass complete short left to Stefon Diggs for 11 yards 
Sam Bradford pass complete short left to Adam Thielen for 6 yards
Dalvin Cook right end for -1 yards

Sam Bradford pass complete short left to Stefon Diggs for 10 yard

Case’s first six plays.  score tied 0-0.
Case Keenum pass complete short right to Dalvin Cook for 1 yard 

Dalvin Cook middle for 7 yards

Case Keenum pass complete short middle to Adam Thielen for 2 yards

Dalvin Cook left end for 8 yards

Case Keenum pass incomplete short middle intended for Jerick McKinnon
Jerick McKinnon left guard for no gain

Teddy’s first six plays.  Vikings lead.  Mop up duty.

Jerick McKinnon middle for 9 yards

Jerick McKinnon left guard for 1 yard
Teddy Bridgewater pass incomplete short middle intended for Jerick McKinnon is intercepted 

Latavius Murray middle for 4 yards

Latavius Murray right guard for 2 yards
Teddy Bridgewater pass incomplete short middle intended for Michael Floyd

Sam played with the starters that he had all preseason with.  Case stepped into the starter role after Sam couldn’t start.  Teddy played with backups... but since he himself is a back up they should know each others tendencies.  

if its not a fair comparison.... then why do it?  you wont convince anybody of anything with that small of a bag of evidence.  not saying not to do it,  but I am saying it will be easy to shoot full of holes... just as easy as saying that Teddy looked great in preseason 2 years ago so he should be out guy.. or Sam was awesome against the Saints,  to small of a sample or too much has transpired since.

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: wow that zerk guy is delusional lol

Recovering from an devestating injury and making it back might involve more nerves than a normal start.  I don't recall standing ovations for Sam or Case. 

And if you read my comment above, all 3 (including Teddy) had cons.  I don't assume Sam won't stay healthy, but it is a significant risk.  Same with Teddy. 

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: wow that zerk guy is delusional lol

@"Ilovebigtd's" said: wow that zerk guy is delusional lol

@"Norse" said: Only about 30 more days of this QB discussion.  :) :)

Otherwise I could be thinking about the freaking Eagles in the Super Bowl.

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Norse" said: Only about 30 more days of this QB discussion.  :) :)

It's fantastic!  I am loving every minute of it to be honest.

Otherwise I could be thinking about the freaking Eagles in the Super Bowl.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

Few Ints were Case's fault? Seriously? I suppose the Pick 6 he threw into triple coverage wasn't his fault because his arm got tipped. Otherwise it would have magically passed through all the Defenders.

And how many times did he throw up a floater that Diggs or Thielen bailed him out on? How many times did he hit DBs right in the damn hands and they dropped it? 

It's great that Minnesota has two WRs capable of being in the Top 10 in contested catches. It's not great that Keenum doesn't have the arm to hit them when they're open and has to rely on their ball skills to bail him out.

Case gets a little bit of credit from me because he actually was willing to throw into coverage at times to let his receivers make a play. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. When you have good playmakers that can end up bailing you out of a lot of shitty decisions. But sometimes the decisions you make are very shitty. You do not EVER throw a ball up for grabs against the Saints when you're winning by 14 points. That Marcus Williams pick let them back into the game. Same thing could be said in the Redskins game. You're up by what, 14+ points? Then you give up a near pick-6 to let them back into the game.

Ultimately, it's who Case is. He is a gambler. He'll make some throws others QB's won't and make out ok. But he also will also miss wide open receivers to huge plays as well from time to time. The question with Case is not whether he can repeat what he did in 2017. It's if his massive jump in production is due to the weapons he was surrounded with. If its the latter you immediately become more confident in an external option or Bridgewater + veteran over paying Case $23M on the tag.