Anyone else got a gut feeling the Vikings QB is going to be Teddy?

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"? 

Some things are about projection. I've seen enough of Teddy to project that given better protection, balance and the kind of weapons we now have, he will light it up o'plenty. My only concern about him is his durability. And you know as well as anyone, if there were no concerns about that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"? 

What game in Josh Rosen's NFL career makes you say "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"? There aren't any. And yet some team is likely to invest millions in him. How do ya figure? 

Some things are about projection. I've seen enough of Teddy to project that given better protection, balance and the kind of weapons we now have, he will light it up o'plenty. My only concern about him is his durability. And you know as well as anyone, if there were no concerns about that, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. 

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

I am leary of Case.  As Barr sez, he likely has peaked.  Given a years worth of film, I think most decent defenses would start shutting him down.  Bradford is a great QB, but that health issue makes him a stop gap.  If even that.

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

You give credit to the 11 wins under Keenum, why not the 11 wins under Bridgewater?  You knock the deep ball of Bridgewater, why not Keenum (it's worse)?

You say it shouldn't take a QB years to figure out an aspect of the game, but Bradford only has 1 year of accurate passing (his 7th in the NFL) and has never had a winning season (excluding the 1.5 games this year).  I don't understand the picking of different criteria to judge the three QBs.

I admittedly don't understand the love for Bradford.  A good percentage of Bradford's stats last year were in garbage time. Those that favor Bradford seem to remember only two games: GB last year and NO this year.  What about the Eagles, Bears, Colts and at GB (garbage time stat game)?  I'll say the same thing I said last year, if a QB needs everything to be perfect around him in order to succeed, how is that a good QB?  Garrapolo went to a terrible 49ers team that hadn't really won.  They didn't lose another game with him as QB.

If the Vikings pick Keenum and he flames out, then what?  If the Vikings pick Bradford and he flames out, then what?

You say you are sick of retreads, but you want both of the retreads over the QB the Vikings and this coaching staff drafted and developed?  I forget where I saw this question, but it's a good one.  Which QB would you feel worse about having success in the NFL not as a member of the Vikings?   

I thought Teddy had the "it" factor ever since seeing him "live" in his first start against Atlanta.  He threw for 317, but 0 TDs.  That game he ran for a TD and Asiata ran in for 3 more.  Teddy was electric that game, but still so raw.  I think he could still be electric, but would love to see him playing again with the confidense of a cagey vetern QB.

Not sure if that's possible or not, but I do think the injury derailed career, not his talent.  Can he play again? I have no clue.

I'd be more than Ok to see Teddy have another shot at leading this team again.  I also would have no problems seeing Case again too.  I just think Teddy is more of a playmaker and is more mobile (if healthy, of course).

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikeking2" said: Tom, over 30 million for two qbs that are still question marks, one with long history of injuries and the other a 30 year old possible one year wonder?

youd rather do that than get teddy on 2-3 year deal less than 10 mil a year with prob only one year guaranteed? that is crazy

look maybe teddys leg falls off, but signing him doesnt make us potetially lose Diggs, Kendrick, Barr, or Hunter. and frankly our team is good and has top weapons at all positions on offense, we can be playoff team will pretty much any qb. none of these 3 are locks to be SB Qb, so why hamstring our team with the two most expensive qbs when they all are about even with their flaws, strengths, and questions. 

one is also only 24 the others are 30 or older 

you arent getting Teddy for less than 12-15 million a year IMO,  probably more with incentives based on him winning the #1 and playing a full season.  If Teddy is as ready to go as we hear and hope,  then he will get low end starter money from somebody for sure.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikeking2" said: Tom, over 30 million for two qbs that are still question marks, one with long history of injuries and the other a 30 year old possible one year wonder?

youd rather do that than get teddy on 2-3 year deal less than 10 mil a year with prob only one year guaranteed? that is crazy

look maybe teddys leg falls off, but signing him doesnt make us potetially lose Diggs, Kendrick, Barr, or Hunter. and frankly our team is good and has top weapons at all positions on offense, we can be playoff team will pretty much any qb. none of these 3 are locks to be SB Qb, so why hamstring our team with the two most expensive qbs when they all are about even with their flaws, strengths, and questions. 

one is also only 24 the others are 30 or older 

you arent getting Teddy for less than 12-15 million a year IMO,  probably more with incentives based on him winning the #1 and playing a full season.  If Teddy is as ready to go as we hear and hope,  then he will get low end starter money from somebody for sure.

$15M per year for Bridgewater? That would surprise me a lot. Every other team is liable to doubt his health, especially if the Vikings let him explore free agency. He's in a situation where he cannot cash in until he gets back on the field and plays for an extended time and at a higher level than he did even in 2015. He threw 14 TDs while starting an entire season; that's not acceptable production for an NFL QB. No GM is going to place a sizable bet on Bridgewater yet.

I do think the likely lower cost favors the idea of the team going with Bridgewater. The Vikings have 4 players (Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, Diggs) who will be seeking contracts around $10M/year, and they need to pick up Waynes' 5th year option, committing them to +$12M for him in 2019. Zimmer may face a choice between keeping all his defensive players or signing a costly QB; which do you think he will pick??

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikeking2" said: Tom, over 30 million for two qbs that are still question marks, one with long history of injuries and the other a 30 year old possible one year wonder?

youd rather do that than get teddy on 2-3 year deal less than 10 mil a year with prob only one year guaranteed? that is crazy

look maybe teddys leg falls off, but signing him doesnt make us potetially lose Diggs, Kendrick, Barr, or Hunter. and frankly our team is good and has top weapons at all positions on offense, we can be playoff team will pretty much any qb. none of these 3 are locks to be SB Qb, so why hamstring our team with the two most expensive qbs when they all are about even with their flaws, strengths, and questions. 

one is also only 24 the others are 30 or older 

you arent getting Teddy for less than 12-15 million a year IMO,  probably more with incentives based on him winning the #1 and playing a full season.  If Teddy is as ready to go as we hear and hope,  then he will get low end starter money from somebody for sure.

$15M per year for Bridgewater? That would surprise me a lot. Every other team is liable to doubt his health, especially if the Vikings let him explore free agency. He's in a situation where he cannot cash in until he gets back on the field and plays for an extended time and at a higher level than he did even in 2015. He threw 14 TDs while starting an entire season; that's not acceptable production for an NFL QB. No GM is going to place a sizable bet on Bridgewater yet.

I do think the likely lower cost favors the idea of the team going with Bridgewater. The Vikings have 4 players (Barr, Kendricks, Hunter, Diggs) who will be seeking contracts around $10M/year, and they need to pick up Waynes' 5th year option, committing them to +$12M for him in 2019. Zimmer may face a choice between keeping all his defensive players or signing a costly QB; which do you think he will pick??

15 was on the high end,  but I dont think he signs for less than 10 as the poster suggested.   15 million is the basement for starting QBs these days.

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

And how many times did he throw up a floater that Diggs or Thielen bailed him out on? How many times did he hit DBs right in the damn hands and they dropped it? 

It's great that Minnesota has two WRs capable of being in the Top 10 in contested catches. It's not great that Keenum doesn't have the arm to hit them when they're open and has to rely on their ball skills to bail him out.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

Few Ints were Case's fault? Seriously? I suppose the Pick 6 he threw into triple coverage wasn't his fault because his arm got tipped. Otherwise it would have magically passed through all the Defenders.

And how many times did he throw up a floater that Diggs or Thielen bailed him out on? How many times did he hit DBs right in the damn hands and they dropped it? 

It's great that Minnesota has two WRs capable of being in the Top 10 in contested catches. It's not great that Keenum doesn't have the arm to hit them when they're open and has to rely on their ball skills to bail him out.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

Few Ints were Case's fault? Seriously? I suppose the Pick 6 he threw into triple coverage wasn't his fault because his arm got tipped. Otherwise it would have magically passed through all the Defenders.

And how many times did he throw up a floater that Diggs or Thielen bailed him out on? How many times did he hit DBs right in the damn hands and they dropped it? 

It's great that Minnesota has two WRs capable of being in the Top 10 in contested catches. It's not great that Keenum doesn't have the arm to hit them when they're open and has to rely on their ball skills to bail him out.

The question with Case is not whether he can repeat what he did in 2017. It's if his massive jump in production is due to the weapons he was surrounded with. If its the latter you immediately become more confident in an external option or Bridgewater + veteran over paying Case $23M on the tag. 

Ultimately, if Minnesota goes with one of the three currently, which it definitely appears they will, there will be risk involved. IMO, I look at the upside....who's got it? I guess it depends how you view it. My gut tells me that I just don't see a great upside with Teddy....but maybe in Turner's offense behind that line, he never got the chance. Maybe as a fan, I've got a blind spot there on Bridgewater. 

I think part of the problem is Bradford is SO impressive throwing the football, such great and accurate arm talent, that its tough from a coaching standpoint to not gravitate toward that. I don't think its a coincidence that both Sam and Case had excellent years in Minnesota....its about the talent and scheme around you, too.

@"purplefaithful" said: And so let's put ourselves in RS, new OC and Zimm's shoes...You go back over all of Cases tape and then --- how much of your final lens on him is determined by hard, fact based metric vs art and gut feel?

Even if you try to look at each of our QBs over the last 3
seasons, the context is so incredibly different that the comparisons you can
make by looking at just the numbers are almost worthless.  I’m sure their internal grading system is
more accurate, because at least they can grade them based on what they were
supposed to do compared against what they actually did and they can see them in
practice which is a black box for us.  I
think there’s going to be a lot of “art” when it comes to looking at Bradford
and Bridgewater’s knees.  I’m sure they
look great in practice, when there’s no pressure on them, but how will they
look in the game or how will they look in 6-7 months when next year is starting
to round into form.

It’s really too bad that Zimmer didn’t put at least
Bridgewater into the games a little bit earlier.  Even if it was just the Bengals game, he was
way too conservative in that regard.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Tom Moore" said: Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"?  To me, he is a game manager.  A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.

Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins.   Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on.  Maybe they did for Case.  Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse.  But, he is the gunslinger we want.  Teddy doesn't take those chances.

And, Sam.  He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.

I think Case deserves to start in this league.  I think Sam deserves to start in this league.  And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.

Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up.  If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again.  I'm sick of retread QBs.

If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more.  We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.  

Few Ints were Case's fault? Seriously? I suppose the Pick 6 he threw into triple coverage wasn't his fault because his arm got tipped. Otherwise it would have magically passed through all the Defenders.

And how many times did he throw up a floater that Diggs or Thielen bailed him out on? How many times did he hit DBs right in the damn hands and they dropped it? 

It's great that Minnesota has two WRs capable of being in the Top 10 in contested catches. It's not great that Keenum doesn't have the arm to hit them when they're open and has to rely on their ball skills to bail him out.

The question with Case is not whether he can repeat what he did in 2017. It's if his massive jump in production is due to the weapons he was surrounded with. If its the latter you immediately become more confident in an external option or Bridgewater + veteran over paying Case $23M on the tag. 

And so let's put ourselves in RS, new OC and Zimm's shoes...You go back over all of Cases tape and then --- how much of your final lens on him is determined by hard, fact based metric vs art and gut feel?

Why does Teddy’s Bengals performance get a pass?   

Did he look comfortable?  Did it look like he had improved?  Did he look like a starter?

For me the answer is no for all those questions.  Teddy was handed the keys to this team due to the lack of QB talent at the time... Today the Vikings have QB talent, one traded for and one emerged to play his best ball yet.  Nobody can say that they knew Case would preform the way he did... well maybe his mom... but I digress.  IF Teddy could be “the guy”, that would be the best thing for this org.  BUT....  

Will Teddy still trust his legs when a play breaks down?  Did he lose a step due to the injury?  Was the injury genetics?  Can Teddy come back mentally from such an injury?  Having your leg fall off while doing “normal” walk thru type things.. cannot be a comfort when you are going to have 300+ lb people trying to take you down.

Sam could have the same questions, except his game was never a “running/scramble” QB.  His game was arm and accuracy.  

Case just put up his best season.  He loves it here... might play into taking less money, doubt it, but it might.  BUT... how much of his success was OC related.  Will a new OC mean a less successful Case?  

Rick gets A TON of credit on this site, for a GM who hasn’t got the QB position right yet.... this will be the decision that either erases all those struggling years or adds to them.

I’m not getting any younger....  I hope he gets it right.       

Based on what I've been reading the last couple of days, it sounds like tolling Teddy's contract may actually be a possibility. Up until now, I'd heard basically that "the Vikings won't toll Teddy's contract." Well, it sounds like the Vikings aren't even part of that decision. Yes, the Vikings at any time could give Bridgewater a contract extension, but the decision on whether or not the contract will toll for another year is up to the NFL, not the Vikings. At the core of the fight will be about Bridgewater's medical records and if he could have played prior to his removal from the PUP.

And so the fight, if there is one, is between the NFL and Teddy's side (with a likely assist from the NFLPA). If I'm interpreting this correctly (and I may not be), it removes the Vikings from what could be an ugly legal fight with Team Teddy. Anyone see it differently? 

@"MaroonBells" said: Based on what I've been reading the last couple of days, it sounds like tolling Teddy's contract may actually be a possibility. Up until now, I'd heard basically that "the Vikings won't toll Teddy's contract." Well, it sounds like the Vikings aren't even part of that decision. Yes, the Vikings at any time could give Bridgewater a contract extension, but the decision on whether or not the contract will toll for another year is up to the NFL, not the Vikings. At the core of the fight will be about Bridgewater's medical records and if he could have played prior to his removal from the PUP.

And so the fight, if there is one, is between the NFL and Teddy's side (with a likely assist from the NFLPA). If I'm interpreting this correctly (and I may not be), it removes the Vikings from what could be an ugly legal fight with Team Teddy. Anyone see it differently? 

teddy bridgewater - running scrambling QB? where do these takes come from. if anything Teddy was too comfy in pocket and coildve taken advantage of more runs. 

now Case that is a scrambling qb, hence his best stat came outside the pocket. teddy may have decent stats outside the pocket too, but he tried staying in the pocket almsot to a fault

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: Based on what I've been reading the last couple of days, it sounds like tolling Teddy's contract may actually be a possibility. Up until now, I'd heard basically that "the Vikings won't toll Teddy's contract." Well, it sounds like the Vikings aren't even part of that decision. Yes, the Vikings at any time could give Bridgewater a contract extension, but the decision on whether or not the contract will toll for another year is up to the NFL, not the Vikings. At the core of the fight will be about Bridgewater's medical records and if he could have played prior to his removal from the PUP.

And so the fight, if there is one, is between the NFL and Teddy's side (with a likely assist from the NFLPA). If I'm interpreting this correctly (and I may not be), it removes the Vikings from what could be an ugly legal fight with Team Teddy. Anyone see it differently? 

That was a new revelation yesterday for me as well.  makes sense, why would the league want 1 team setting a precedence on an issue that could be even bigger in the future.   however this is not going to benefit the Vikings in this situation as they will need to be making a move soon on their choice at QB,  not waiting months for a legal decision to be handed down.   this is really bull shit for Teddy, this matter should have been addressed and argued as soon as he was a tolling candidate IMO.

I don't see a clear cut favorite for the reason that none of them are complete QBs.

In my opinion a complete QB knows when to throw it out there and let his star WR(s) make plays but is also game smart enough to know when to take the checkdown on 1st and 2nd down for the free 3 yards.

Someone who knows exactly where he is on the field and will throw it away instead of taking the sack that knocks the team out of Field Goal range.

Case won't take the checkdown. He's all.about buying time in the pocket and throwing contested passes. He also takes dumb sacks. 

Sam has the opposite problem. Outside of the Saints game his propensity has been to go to the checkdown too quickly. He can't buy that extra half second to allow his star WRs to uncover and mostly seems unwilling to make the contested throw. Gets a thumbs up for not taking dumb sacks.

Teddy leaned more towards Sam in his hesitancy to make the contested throw. I do give him credit for showing very good situational awareness, though.

So not you have to project. IF all three are healthy who projects the best? Can Case can be coached to.play smarter at age 30? Can Sam be coached to play more aggressively at age 30?

That's Teddy's main advantage, IMO. He's still young enough and moldable enough to learn to be more aggressive.

But that's exactly why I wanted Smith and want Cousins. First is the IF Factor. IF Teddy is healthy.  Second is the fact that you're projecting with him. He's not proven. 

This is a Super Bowl contending Roster. Look around the rest of the League and show me a better one from Top to Bottom.

I don't want to entrust that to IFs and Projections.  And no, I'm not making a projection with Cousins. He threw for 4,000 yards with garbage at WR, a worse O-Line and no running game.

The talk of his salary costing the team a longer window because they won't be able to sign all their young talent makes me laugh.

The Kansas City Royals won the World Series for the first time in like 30 years. They'll be rebuilding for at least the next 5 years. Do you think any of my neighbors here care? 

Nope. Our team won it all. That's all that matters. Roll with projections at QB but a longer window to potentially win it all or get the ring and live with having to replace some good young talent. I know which option I'd take.