Case is now the future

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Funny people using some of the great catches as proof of a great QB.  I like Case, but this was the Washington game all over again.  Playing well, gets careless and thankfully we win. 

The INT off the back foot while getting hit was the epitome of what you don't do as a QB.  Saints just scored, one play and we give it back to them deep our end?  That was a huge turning point in the game.

Insane that people would want to pay him franchise money and handcuff the team.  He is a solid starter in the right offense.  But he wasn't solid yesterday.

I cant believe how dismissive people are about the concerns.  Yes he does some things really good,  probably one of the best in the league in extending plays and keeping his eyes down field,   but decision making is a big part of the position and we all know how Zim is when it comes to limiting turn overs and Case once again showed a lack of sound decision making in that pick,  he needs to do better especially next week on the road in what should be an even tighter game.

its funny how many people were down on Teddy because of his lack of arm strength,  but seem to be fine with Cases weak throws.   I think Teddy has the stronger arm but some how its not an issue now.

with all that said,  the Vikes do need to make him a decent offer if they think they can keep him in an offense that favors his skills,   I think he is likely in that 20 million per year range for a contract average.   I keep hearing 15 million getting tossed out... Tyrod freaking Taylor made that much on his last deal.  And really the only contracts smaller than that are rookie deals and journeyman back ups.  Case has warts, and I dont think he will replicate this year again, (lightning in a bottle)  but I think he can be a pretty damn good place holder and keep us in the playoffs for a few years until we can find that guy with the big arm and great decision making... i  mean 3 years right...should be long enough to find a franchise QB.... how hard can it be right?

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Brady and Erin are already taken.  Case played lights out today.  Even the pick was an attempt to make something happen.  Would you prefer Sam throwing 9 yards short of the first down marker because he's afraid? 

He's got big balls and a horseshoe. But that "bad pass" wasn't just a bad pass, it was a spectacularly boneheaded decision. The kind a franchise QB does not make. But I love his fire and his, um, balls. 

I think at this point he's earned a contract conversation. If he wins a Super Bowl that conversation is a little different. There are so many other factors to consider and I'm sure we'll fight about it all off season. 

I still have a hard time seeing the Vikings banking their very very bright future on a QB with, granted some great intangibles, but so many obvious weaknesses. 

Yeah.  Franchise qbs like Favre don't throw boneheaded interceptions. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Funny people using some of the great catches as proof of a great QB.  I like Case, but this was the Washington game all over again.  Playing well, gets careless and thankfully we win. 

The INT off the back foot while getting hit was the epitome of what you don't do as a QB.  Saints just scored, one play and we give it back to them deep our end?  That was a huge turning point in the game.

Insane that people would want to pay him franchise money and handcuff the team.  He is a solid starter in the right offense.  But he wasn't solid yesterday.

I cant believe how dismissive people are about the concerns.  Yes he does some things really good,  probably one of the best in the league in extending plays and keeping his eyes down field,   but decision making is a big part of the position and we all know how Zim is when it comes to limiting turn overs and Case once again showed a lack of sound decision making in that pick,  he needs to do better especially next week on the road in what should be an even tighter game.

its funny how many people were down on Teddy because of his lack of arm strength,  but seem to be fine with Cases weak throws.   I think Teddy has the stronger arm but some how its not an issue now.

with all that said,  the Vikes do need to make him a decent offer if they think they can keep him in an offense that favors his skills,   I think he is likely in that 20 million per year range for a contract average.   I keep hearing 15 million getting tossed out... Tyrod freaking Taylor made that much on his last deal.  And really the only contracts smaller than that are rookie deals and journeyman back ups.  Case has warts, and I dont think he will replicate this year again, (lightning in a bottle)  but I think he can be a pretty damn good place holder and keep us in the playoffs for a few years until we can find that guy with the big arm and great decision making... i  mean 3 years right...should be long enough to find a franchise QB.... how hard can it be right?

Pick your poison?

1.  Case Keenum $15M a season 2-3 yrs
2.  Teddy Bridgewater Prove it deal
3.  Sam Bradford 3 yr $20M s season

I hope we can keep Case and Teddy but I doubt Teddy decides to stay if someone guarantees him the starting spot.

@"prairieghost" said: I see the deficiencies in Case's passing and I know you guys have a point with all of that. No doubt. I was not a happy camper when Case threw that baaad pass. That said, I guess for me the 2 best things about Case are his fearlessness and his pocket awareness/mobility. There is NO WAY Sam could have outmaneuvered anything last night, coming off of 5 practices and 4 months of rehabbing his knee. That is just the flat honest truth. And, I'm not sure if Sam could've been successful last night period. They pushed our O-line around all night. Their defense came to play. They are much improved and their team is much improved overall. We got out of that game by less than the skin of our teeth. We had a miracle happen but it couldn't have happened if not for Case doing his thing and he did it multiple times. IMO, sometimes you have to go with the guy who fits your team best even if he has some fair-sized warts. Case fits our team. He's a fiery competitor, he's mobile, he's a good leader. I have doubts if we could have made it this far with Sam or Teddy leading us (and let me tell you that hurts to say because I love Teddy). I would love to see us keep both Case and Teddy, but it is more than likely going to be impossible to do that unless they both want to be here...and I can't imagine that either one of them wants to have to fight for the job in training camp again next season.

@"A1Janitor" said: Yeah.  Franchise qbs like Favre don't throw boneheaded interceptions. 

Not everyone runs backwards and under heavy pressure, heaves a pop fly to the defense with the hang time of a punt. 

LMAO one fucking interception after a divisional playoff win.  Better numbers than Brees.

You guys can analyze all you want.  

I am am so sorry Teddy isn't the qb.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Funny people using some of the great catches as proof of a great QB.  I like Case, but this was the Washington game all over again.  Playing well, gets careless and thankfully we win. 

The INT off the back foot while getting hit was the epitome of what you don't do as a QB.  Saints just scored, one play and we give it back to them deep our end?  That was a huge turning point in the game.

Insane that people would want to pay him franchise money and handcuff the team.  He is a solid starter in the right offense.  But he wasn't solid yesterday.

I cant believe how dismissive people are about the concerns.  Yes he does some things really good,  probably one of the best in the league in extending plays and keeping his eyes down field,   but decision making is a big part of the position and we all know how Zim is when it comes to limiting turn overs and Case once again showed a lack of sound decision making in that pick,  he needs to do better especially next week on the road in what should be an even tighter game.

its funny how many people were down on Teddy because of his lack of arm strength,  but seem to be fine with Cases weak throws.   I think Teddy has the stronger arm but some how its not an issue now.

with all that said,  the Vikes do need to make him a decent offer if they think they can keep him in an offense that favors his skills,   I think he is likely in that 20 million per year range for a contract average.   I keep hearing 15 million getting tossed out... Tyrod freaking Taylor made that much on his last deal.  And really the only contracts smaller than that are rookie deals and journeyman back ups.  Case has warts, and I dont think he will replicate this year again, (lightning in a bottle)  but I think he can be a pretty damn good place holder and keep us in the playoffs for a few years until we can find that guy with the big arm and great decision making... i  mean 3 years right...should be long enough to find a franchise QB.... how hard can it be right?

Pick your poison?

1.  Case Keenum $15M a season 2-3 yrs
2.  Teddy Bridgewater Prove it deal
3.  Sam Bradford 3 yr $20M s season

I hope we can keep Case and Teddy but I doubt Teddy decides to stay if someone guarantees him the starting spot.

I dont think you will get Case for 15 per year.  That is the basement for starting veteran QBs.  If you think he is as good as you say,  why the hell to people keep thinking he will play for Tyrod Taylor money?  maybe I am way off,  but I dont see Case thinking he is a cheap player after the way he has played this year.  I think he will want to either stay in MN or stay with Shurmur,  I think its very likely that Shurmur would want to take Case with him to AZ ( I say thats where he ends up)

I dont know if Sam gets more than a year @20 million unless there are a lot of team outs and health clauses in it.   

Teddy,  after he got shut down yesterday,  I have no idea where he is at in terms of being able to play and thus his value.

Other than total yards, Brees and Keenum had very similar numbers. Give Case another game and a half to add to his total yards. But, Brees had 8 INTs and 3 fumbles to Keenum’s 7 INTs and 0 fumbles. 

Is Case a HOF QB like Brees? No, but Brees was let go by the Chargers. they didn’t think he was HOF material either.

I guess the one thing that I don’t like about the whole situation is Teddy may be gone after this season. I like the kid, I think he is a quality guy. But, I think the same thing about Case and Sam.

You have to give Keenum some money and keep him based on this year.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Funny people using some of the great catches as proof of a great QB.  I like Case, but this was the Washington game all over again.  Playing well, gets careless and thankfully we win. 

The INT off the back foot while getting hit was the epitome of what you don't do as a QB.  Saints just scored, one play and we give it back to them deep our end?  That was a huge turning point in the game.

Insane that people would want to pay him franchise money and handcuff the team.  He is a solid starter in the right offense.  But he wasn't solid yesterday.

I cant believe how dismissive people are about the concerns.  Yes he does some things really good,  probably one of the best in the league in extending plays and keeping his eyes down field,   but decision making is a big part of the position and we all know how Zim is when it comes to limiting turn overs and Case once again showed a lack of sound decision making in that pick,  he needs to do better especially next week on the road in what should be an even tighter game.

its funny how many people were down on Teddy because of his lack of arm strength,  but seem to be fine with Cases weak throws.   I think Teddy has the stronger arm but some how its not an issue now.

with all that said,  the Vikes do need to make him a decent offer if they think they can keep him in an offense that favors his skills,   I think he is likely in that 20 million per year range for a contract average.   I keep hearing 15 million getting tossed out... Tyrod freaking Taylor made that much on his last deal.  And really the only contracts smaller than that are rookie deals and journeyman back ups.  Case has warts, and I dont think he will replicate this year again, (lightning in a bottle)  but I think he can be a pretty damn good place holder and keep us in the playoffs for a few years until we can find that guy with the big arm and great decision making... i  mean 3 years right...should be long enough to find a franchise QB.... how hard can it be right?

Pick your poison?

1.  Case Keenum $15M a season 2-3 yrs
2.  Teddy Bridgewater Prove it deal
3.  Sam Bradford 3 yr $20M s season

I hope we can keep Case and Teddy but I doubt Teddy decides to stay if someone guarantees him the starting spot.

I dont think you will get Case for 15 per year.  That is the basement for starting veteran QBs.  If you think he is as good as you say,  why the hell to people keep thinking he will play for Tyrod Taylor money?  maybe I am way off,  but I dont see Case thinking he is a cheap player after the way he has played this year.  I think he will want to either stay in MN or stay with Shurmur,  I think its very likely that Shurmur would want to take Case with him to AZ ( I say thats where he ends up)

I dont know if Sam gets more than a year @20 million unless there are a lot of team outs and health clauses in it.   

Teddy,  after he got shut down yesterday,  I have no idea where he is at in terms of being able to play and thus his value.

@"A1Janitor" said: LMAO one fucking interception after a divisional playoff win.  Better numbers than Brees.

You guys can analyze all you want.  

I am am so sorry Teddy isn't the qb.  

That wasn't just some regular old interception that could happen to anyone.

That was a Kizeresque dumb throw. And he made at 6 more of those during the season that mystically doinked off of Defenders hands.

Why do you think the Head Coach of such a good team would say that his QB has a horseshoe?  Because it's been true the whole year and plain to anyone but the Case homers.

I don't give a rat's ass if Teddy, Sam or Case QBs this team. I just want the team to win. Period. Throwing boneheaded picks in the Playoffs doesn't usually lead to wins.  Keenum cleans it up and stops taking bad sacks then he deserves to be the guy. If he doesn't Philly will be in the Super Bowl.

LOL the guy has performed all year.  And our oline didn't perform well in second half.

Your ability to create context is silly.

And I am not a Case homer.  I think Sam is our best qb.  And I think Teddy is done. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Neptizzle" said: case is a very easy guy to like, but still doesnt seem to be a guy that could carry a team on his own. if he’ll stay for a decent amount as we develop sloter or a pick so we can also sign diggs, barr, hunter, etc... sure. but if he wants 20M+, i doubt it.

um........he pretty much carried this team today. one shit pass which happens.  otherwise he threw everything you could ask for. most of those passes were nuts on a nat acurate. 

It wasn't just that one throw. 

The one to Jarius to put us in field goal range.  Or the one to Thielen.  That was a solid performance.

he threw balls that were caught yes,  but he leaves a lot of yards on the field because he doesnt lead his receivers very well,  but... the balls are completed which is the most important part.    there is room for improvement,  the question then becomes can he improve or are we seeing his ceiling?  at his age I dont see arm strength improving so I dont know if he will ever be able to put enough on a flatter trajectory pass,  the lob passes may be his compensating? 

Funny people using some of the great catches as proof of a great QB.  I like Case, but this was the Washington game all over again.  Playing well, gets careless and thankfully we win. 

The INT off the back foot while getting hit was the epitome of what you don't do as a QB.  Saints just scored, one play and we give it back to them deep our end?  That was a huge turning point in the game.

Insane that people would want to pay him franchise money and handcuff the team.  He is a solid starter in the right offense.  But he wasn't solid yesterday.

I cant believe how dismissive people are about the concerns.  Yes he does some things really good,  probably one of the best in the league in extending plays and keeping his eyes down field,   but decision making is a big part of the position and we all know how Zim is when it comes to limiting turn overs and Case once again showed a lack of sound decision making in that pick,  he needs to do better especially next week on the road in what should be an even tighter game.

its funny how many people were down on Teddy because of his lack of arm strength,  but seem to be fine with Cases weak throws.   I think Teddy has the stronger arm but some how its not an issue now.

with all that said,  the Vikes do need to make him a decent offer if they think they can keep him in an offense that favors his skills,   I think he is likely in that 20 million per year range for a contract average.   I keep hearing 15 million getting tossed out... Tyrod freaking Taylor made that much on his last deal.  And really the only contracts smaller than that are rookie deals and journeyman back ups.  Case has warts, and I dont think he will replicate this year again, (lightning in a bottle)  but I think he can be a pretty damn good place holder and keep us in the playoffs for a few years until we can find that guy with the big arm and great decision making... i  mean 3 years right...should be long enough to find a franchise QB.... how hard can it be right?

Pick your poison?

1.  Case Keenum $15M a season 2-3 yrs
2.  Teddy Bridgewater Prove it deal
3.  Sam Bradford 3 yr $20M s season

I hope we can keep Case and Teddy but I doubt Teddy decides to stay if someone guarantees him the starting spot.

I dont think you will get Case for 15 per year.  That is the basement for starting veteran QBs.  If you think he is as good as you say,  why the hell to people keep thinking he will play for Tyrod Taylor money?  maybe I am way off,  but I dont see Case thinking he is a cheap player after the way he has played this year.  I think he will want to either stay in MN or stay with Shurmur,  I think its very likely that Shurmur would want to take Case with him to AZ ( I say thats where he ends up)

I dont know if Sam gets more than a year @20 million unless there are a lot of team outs and health clauses in it.   

Teddy,  after he got shut down yesterday,  I have no idea where he is at in terms of being able to play and thus his value.

He's not going to get stafford money.  I'm betting he'll get escalators in a contract that can pay up to $20M but not $20 out the gate.  The worst thing with Case is he's already 30.  Its not like you're going to build around him.  He is at most a couple year bandaid.  Not the best but not the worst QB out there.

If you have a better QB option spill the beans man?  What would make you happy?  Right now we're all fans spending someone elses money and planning the future of guys when we can't possibly know what they feel/want. 

@"FSUVike" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LMAO one fucking interception after a divisional playoff win.  Better numbers than Brees.

You guys can analyze all you want.  

I am am so sorry Teddy isn't the qb.  

You're inability to take context into account is the real head-scratcher here, not our well-stated positions.

That wasn't just some regular old interception that could happen to anyone.

That was a Kizeresque dumb throw. And he made at 6 more of those during the season that mystically doinked off of Defenders hands.

Why do you think the Head Coach of such a good team would say that his QB has a horseshoe?  Because it's been true the whole year and plain to anyone but the Case homers.

I don't give a rat's ass if Teddy, Sam or Case QBs this team. I just want the team to win. Period. Throwing boneheaded picks in the Playoffs doesn't usually lead to wins.  Keenum cleans it up and stops taking bad sacks then he deserves to be the guy. If he doesn't Philly will be in the Super Bowl.

LMAO ignorance of some?

Go fuck yourself.   Who makes you smarter?

Let's go back the past month and look at who thinks Teddy is better than Case and should be our qb.  

The ability to rationally make our point is clearly what's making us smarter, Steak Sauce.

@"FSUVike" said: The ability to rationally make our point is clearly what's making us smarter, Steak Sauce.

The OP said "Case made some bank today. 3-4yrs 15M a season?  Sam is gone. Maybe Teddy stays for a backup roll?"

I am sorry if you disagree with this.  But hey - I am sure you think Teddy will be our qb with that 15 million salary.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think Case is the immediate future if he doesn't handcuff the cap.  15 mill or so over the next 2 to 3 years while Sloter develops and another prospect is added.  We will likely need another vet for next season though.

I'm all for a Keenum-Sloter type scenario if its true what Guru says about Minnesota LOVING Kyle Sloter. Get Sloter to start in 19' or 20'.