It has to be Asked - What About QB for 2018?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: We could/will win the Super Bowl with Keenum at the helm and there would/will still be questions if we would have been better with someone else

As there should be. Winning a Super Bowl doesn't make you a franchise QB (Plunkett, Hostetler, Williams, Rypien, Dilfer). Trent Dilfer won a Super Bow for the Ravens and was not even re-signed the following season. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Maple Surple" said: We could/will win the Super Bowl with Keenum at the helm and there would/will still be questions if we would have been better with someone else

As there should be. Winning a Super Bowl doesn't make you a franchise QB (Plunkett, Hostetler, Williams, Rypien, Dilfer). Trent Dilfer won a Super Bow for the Ravens and was not even re-signed the following season. 

@"Vikeking2" said: all three guys should be looking something like Mike Glennon got or better. if not fire their agents. because all three are better than Glennon even with teddy and sam injury history. 

id say sam or case go whereever Shurmur ends up. Teddy stays since he is Zimmers guy, a recent first rounder that team was starting to view as franchise guy; and is still only like 24. 

teddy may also be cheapest. letting case and or Sam helps our comp draft pick more if they cost more in FA. 

only way i see this different is if Case wins SuperBowl. kinda hard to let a qb go after that 

for the record I hate these conversations.  I like aspects of all 3 but I can see issues with resigning all of them as well,  unfortunately in the world wide web,  any statement will be taken as an extreme position and before long you are viewed as a narrow minded hater.....  no matter how this season ends up I am expecting an offseason of stupid bickering about the QB situation once again.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Vikeking2" said: all three guys should be looking something like Mike Glennon got or better. if not fire their agents. because all three are better than Glennon even with teddy and sam injury history. 

id say sam or case go whereever Shurmur ends up. Teddy stays since he is Zimmers guy, a recent first rounder that team was starting to view as franchise guy; and is still only like 24. 

teddy may also be cheapest. letting case and or Sam helps our comp draft pick more if they cost more in FA. 

only way i see this different is if Case wins SuperBowl. kinda hard to let a qb go after that 

hard to yes but not unprecedented.  how many back up QBs, with average passing skills,  on one year deals have won a superbowl?

for the record I hate these conversations.  I like aspects of all 3 but I can see issues with resigning all of them as well,  unfortunately in the world wide web,  any statement will be taken as an extreme position and before long you are viewed as a narrow minded hater.....  no matter how this season ends up I am expecting an offseason of stupid bickering about the QB situation once again.

LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

The bottom line is...Keenum will be playing next year for someone making better money than he did this year.  =)

Teddy and Sam both have question marks about their knees. And I wish them the best of luck next season.
I'm interested to see what direction the front office goes.

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

True.  Maybe our future QB will go 14-2.  

19k yards in college.  155 tds/46 Int.  70% completion rate. 160 rating.  

Maybe, just maybe ... people overlook what we really have here because of preconceived notions.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

Case has been bailed out a lot on floated passes.  ( i agree that they need to be thrown,  but to many of those should have been uncontested catches but the under thrown receiver comes back and saves the play.)  Case has been a very good QB for what he is,  but there should be much higher standards for the position in terms of a long term deal.

@"A1Janitor" said: True.  Maybe our future QB will go 14-2.  

19k yards in college.  155 tds/46 Int.  70% completion rate. 160 rating.  

Maybe, just maybe ... people overlook what we really have here because of preconceived notions.  

Last time i looked, which was two weeks ago, both Adam and Diggs are ranked in the Top 5 for Contested Catches.

If Bradford played the whole season I can guarantee you neither Receiver would be in the Top 10.

Both get wide spanking open and then have t make a contested catch because Case doesn't have the arm talent to hit them on a rope to all parts of the field.

This is something that has to be considered. Keenum enables the OC to call certain plays because of his innate mobility and pocket presence. And his arm strength prevents the OC from calling certain plays as well.

Shurmer makes it work. Can whomever replaces him also do that? Or will Pat's successor want someone with a livelier arm?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

Case has been bailed out a lot on floated passes.  ( i agree that they need to be thrown,  but to many of those should have been uncontested catches but the under thrown receiver comes back and saves the play.)  Case has been a very good QB for what he is,  but there should be much higher standards for the position in terms of a long term deal.

I suppose we will find out when out defense isn't #1?

We have had a lot of great defenses over the years.  How many 13-3 seasons?

I hope Case wins the Super Bowl.  If he doesn't, and moves on ... I hope all of you who think he isn't good enough remember this - if he wins it all with another team.  Especially one that has an average defense.  

@"A1Janitor" said: I suppose we will find out when out defense isn't #1?

We have had a lot of great defenses over the years.  How many 13-3 seasons?

I hope Case wins the Super Bowl.  If he doesn't, and moves on ... I hope all of you who think he isn't good enough remember this - if he wins it all with another team.  Especially one that has an average defense.  

@"Jamie Demaree" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

Case has been bailed out a lot on floated passes.  ( i agree that they need to be thrown,  but to many of those should have been uncontested catches but the under thrown receiver comes back and saves the play.)  Case has been a very good QB for what he is,  but there should be much higher standards for the position in terms of a long term deal.

Case consistently under throws the long pass.  I can remember Diggs getting mauled while slowing up and turning back for the ball more than once.  Last week the vikes got bailed out by PI penalties because of under throws to both Diggs and Adam.  If Bradford were throwing those would have both been TD's. The  % 70 completion over 20 yards includes yards after catch so thats a bogus stat.  I like Case and love what he has done this season but he is who he is.  A borderline NFL starter with a average arm at best.  He fell into the perfect situation this season with Minnesota and Shurmer but I just dont think he can carry a team by himself when they need it and thats what is needed in a franchise QB.

When Culpepper did it to Moss ... we cheered.  

@"Maple Surple" said:

@"Jamie Demaree" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: LOL I guess we have seen different games.  Case has thrown it in tight windows.  

And he has been extremely accurate.  The Vikes have completed 70% of passes over 20 yards. 

Case has been bailed out a lot on floated passes.  ( i agree that they need to be thrown,  but to many of those should have been uncontested catches but the under thrown receiver comes back and saves the play.)  Case has been a very good QB for what he is,  but there should be much higher standards for the position in terms of a long term deal.

Case consistently under throws the long pass.  I can remember Diggs getting mauled while slowing up and turning back for the ball more than once.  Last week the vikes got bailed out by PI penalties because of under throws to both Diggs and Adam.  If Bradford were throwing those would have both been TD's. The  % 70 completion over 20 yards includes yards after catch so thats a bogus stat.  I like Case and love what he has done this season but he is who he is.  A borderline NFL starter with a average arm at best.  He fell into the perfect situation this season with Minnesota and Shurmer but I just dont think he can carry a team by himself when they need it and thats what is needed in a franchise QB.

Well sometimes the announcers call that a smart play by the WR for coming back to the ball
:b
Rodgers has made a nice living off those PI calls

I'm just glad to see us taking a shot, as Ponder and others were afraid to throw into single coverage, or instructed not to

Deep ball splits last full-ish season.
Edit: to clarify, this is the yardage the ball traveled in the air (not YAC).

Keenum
21-30 - 7/31 (22.6%) - 2 TDs
31-40 - 0/5 (0%) - 0 TDs
41+ - 4/10 (40%) - 0 TDs
Total 11/46 (23.9%) - 2 TDs

Bradford
21-30 - 15/29 (51.7%) - 3 TDs
31-40 - 3/11 (27.2%) - 1 TD
41+ - 0/0
Total 18/40 (45%) - 4 TDs

Bridgewater
21-30 - 9/29 (31%) - 2 TDs
31-40 - 2/9 (22.2%) - 1 TD
41+ - 0/4 (0%)
Total 11/42 (26.2%) - 3 TDs

 One thing that can be observed  regarding Keenum, none of his completions over 31 (the completions are all 41+) yards have resulted in a TD.  I bet every one of those completions was a contested catch (probably under thrown) just by looking at those numbers.  I bet it's rare to have 4 completions that traveled at least 41 yards without having a TD.

 And since I have to add a disclaimer for some, no, this is not to knock Keenum.  Those are the numbers, that's what happened on the field.

@"silverjoel" said: Deep ball splits last full-ish season. Edit: to clarify, this is the yardage the ball traveled in the air (not YAC).

Keenum
21-30 - 7/31 (22.6%) - 2 TDs
31-40 - 0/5 (0%) - 0 TDs
41+ - 4/10 (40%) - 0 TDs
Total 11/46 (23.9%) - 2 TDs

Bradford
21-30 - 15/29 (51.7%) - 3 TDs
31-40 - 3/11 (27.2%) - 1 TD
41+ - 0/0
Total 18/40 (45%) - 4 TDs

Bridgewater
21-30 - 9/29 (31%) - 2 TDs
31-40 - 2/9 (22.2%) - 1 TD
41+ - 0/4 (0%)
Total 11/42 (26.2%) - 3 TDs

 One thing that can be observed  regarding Keenum, none of his completions over 31 (the completions are all 41+) yards have resulted in a TD.  I bet every one of those completions was a contested catch (probably under thrown) just by looking at those numbers.  I bet it's rare to have 4 completions that traveled at least 41 yards without having a TD.

 And since I have to add a disclaimer for some, no, this is not to knock Keenum.  Those are the numbers, that's what happened on the field.

@"FSUVike" said: Last time i looked, which was two weeks ago, both Adam and Diggs are ranked in the Top 5 for Contested Catches.

If Bradford played the whole season I can guarantee you neither Receiver would be in the Top 10.

Both get wide spanking open and then have t make a contested catch because Case doesn't have the arm talent to hit them on a rope to all parts of the field.

This is something that has to be considered. Keenum enables the OC to call certain plays because of his innate mobility and pocket presence. And his arm strength prevents the OC from calling certain plays as well.

Shurmer makes it work. Can whomever replaces him also do that? Or will Pat's successor want someone with a livelier arm?

Sigh. Its just all gets a little goofy because you can spin stats however your agenda fits. Regardless. This is a perfect example. If you look at the other WRers on that list for top 10, you'll find some damn good QBs throwing them the ball. (eye roll)

Here's the bottom line, and I say this admitting that Bradford has better arm talent: the Vikings won 13 games. How many more would they have won with Bradford? Or how many less? He's not mobile and that would have cost Sam in some games. Potentially, could have contributed to more losses than wins because 13 games won is a shitload.