Detroit requests to interview Vikes OC Pat Shurmur

@"JimmyinSD" said: who of the coaches getting tossed out, either directly (HCs) or indirectly because the HC is being replaced would be a good fit for the players we have here in minny?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: who of the coaches getting tossed out, either directly (HCs) or indirectly because the HC is being replaced would be a good fit for the players we have here in minny?

I think if you hire someone like that, he's going to want to bring his own offense, which means starting all over again. The brilliance of Shurmur is that he was humble enough to keep many of the things that Turner was doing. He didn't change it completely. He refined it, improved it. Continuity. It's the most underrated thing in football. I say keep the same basic offense and promote the Stefanski guy. 

Shurmurs offense wasnt unique to Shurmur,  it has his fingerprints,  but it is likely that another offensive minded coach could build onto what is already here.  yes Norv and Pats do have completely different philosophies, but that doesnt mean that there wont be coaches out there that are more west coast influenced that could fit in nicely.... besides, who says Stefanski wouldnt want to change things to something he wants to do?  keep in mind it was Chilly that brought him to Minnesota and hes been here ever since so who knows what he wants to do for sure.

Cant's say for sure obviously, but Stef would have to be a pretty big dolt to want to change the offense he and all of his QBs already know. Especially given how well it's been working. In fact, I would imagine that Mike and Rick might want some sort of agreement on that before hiring him.

What Shumar has done here is pretty amazing when you consider the multiple Qbs and the improvment in O line play.   
I think his success is much to do with him measuring his players strengths and weaknesses and tailoring a plan to help them play their best.
People take this for granted but we have seen too many stiff necked coaches just in this organization.   I dont think most fans fully appreciate his value.

@"Poiple" said: What Shumar has done here is pretty amazing when you consider the multiple Qbs and the improvment in O line play.    I think his success is much to do with him measuring his players strengths and weaknesses and tailoring a plan to help them play their best. People take this for granted but we have seen too many stiff necked coaches just in this organization.   I dont think most fans fully appreciate his value.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: who of the coaches getting tossed out, either directly (HCs) or indirectly because the HC is being replaced would be a good fit for the players we have here in minny?

I think if you hire someone like that, he's going to want to bring his own offense, which means starting all over again. The brilliance of Shurmur is that he was humble enough to keep many of the things that Turner was doing. He didn't change it completely. He refined it, improved it. Continuity. It's the most underrated thing in football. I say keep the same basic offense and promote the Stefanski guy. 

Shurmurs offense wasnt unique to Shurmur,  it has his fingerprints,  but it is likely that another offensive minded coach could build onto what is already here.  yes Norv and Pats do have completely different philosophies, but that doesnt mean that there wont be coaches out there that are more west coast influenced that could fit in nicely.... besides, who says Stefanski wouldnt want to change things to something he wants to do?  keep in mind it was Chilly that brought him to Minnesota and hes been here ever since so who knows what he wants to do for sure.

Cant's say for sure obviously, but Stef would have to be a pretty big dolt to want to change the offense he and all of his QBs already know. Especially given how well it's been working. In fact, I would imagine that Mike and Rick might want some sort of agreement on that before hiring him.

who says he is even comfortable with the system himself?  yes hes been exposed to it,  but it doesnt mean that its his,  I dont think playcalling in the NFL is a matter of what plays are on the play sheet,  its a matter of knowing what plays to use to set up what the defense is showing in specific instances.  IMO play callings is very much an art and not really something easily handed off to others.  some guys have it some dont regardless of how long they have been in a system or what ever.  maybe hes the man,  but I dont think hiring from within is any less risky than bringing in some other candidate from a west coast type system.  if there was a coach that has been with Shurmur for a while I would be more inclined to think he would be the likley candidate,  but I would also bet that Pat would take him with him.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: who of the coaches getting tossed out, either directly (HCs) or indirectly because the HC is being replaced would be a good fit for the players we have here in minny?

I think if you hire someone like that, he's going to want to bring his own offense, which means starting all over again. The brilliance of Shurmur is that he was humble enough to keep many of the things that Turner was doing. He didn't change it completely. He refined it, improved it. Continuity. It's the most underrated thing in football. I say keep the same basic offense and promote the Stefanski guy. 

Shurmurs offense wasnt unique to Shurmur,  it has his fingerprints,  but it is likely that another offensive minded coach could build onto what is already here.  yes Norv and Pats do have completely different philosophies, but that doesnt mean that there wont be coaches out there that are more west coast influenced that could fit in nicely.... besides, who says Stefanski wouldnt want to change things to something he wants to do?  keep in mind it was Chilly that brought him to Minnesota and hes been here ever since so who knows what he wants to do for sure.

Cant's say for sure obviously, but Stef would have to be a pretty big dolt to want to change the offense he and all of his QBs already know. Especially given how well it's been working. In fact, I would imagine that Mike and Rick might want some sort of agreement on that before hiring him.

who says he is even comfortable with the system himself?  yes hes been exposed to it,  but it doesnt mean that its his,  I dont think playcalling in the NFL is a matter of what plays are on the play sheet,  its a matter of knowing what plays to use to set up what the defense is showing in specific instances.  IMO play callings is very much an art and not really something easily handed off to others.  some guys have it some dont regardless of how long they have been in a system or what ever.  maybe hes the man,  but I dont think hiring from within is any less risky than bringing in some other candidate from a west coast type system.  if there was a coach that has been with Shurmur for a while I would be more inclined to think he would be the likley candidate,  but I would also bet that Pat would take him with him.

Definitely agree that play calling is a whole separate thing from designing an offense. I'm no expert, but I've always thought of it as a kind of dance (or another activity I won't mention). It requires having a good feel for rhythm and momentum. And regardless of the offense's design, you can either "dance" or you can't. 

No two ways around it. Pat Shurmur has been brilliant at calling plays. This is the first time in many years that I haven't found myself screaming at the TV over play calling. No matter who we bring in, I fear we're going to miss him. 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"AGRforever" said: schurmar is gone. id let him interview if he wants the detroit job.  no readon to sandbag him. 

The Vikings don't have a say in letting him interview, any coordinator is allowed to interview for a head coaching position (promotion) without the teams permission. Teams just need to formally address who they want to interview, which is why they submit the request. 

MN only have two right when it comes to their coordinators interviewing. They can select the times they're available for interviews (yes, they have to give a time they can't say it won't fit in the schedule) and they can require the interview to happen in Minnesota. Typically, this is the norm and its done in a hotel/conference room. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: I am more concerned with finding a good OC that can keep this going than losing anyone to Detroit. 

Expect Kevin Stefanski to get a strong look internally for the OC job when Shurmur leaves.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: who of the coaches getting tossed out, either directly (HCs) or indirectly because the HC is being replaced would be a good fit for the players we have here in minny?

I think if you hire someone like that, he's going to want to bring his own offense, which means starting all over again. The brilliance of Shurmur is that he was humble enough to keep many of the things that Turner was doing. He didn't change it completely. He refined it, improved it. Continuity. It's the most underrated thing in football. I say keep the same basic offense and promote the Stefanski guy. 

one would think Detroit would lean to a defensive minded coach 

Who will replace him?  I wonder if they would take a look at Wade Wilson?

@"Norse" said:

@"Nichelle" said: Cardinals have also requested an interview.

Carson Palmer could very well retire. So there could also be an opening for a QB. "Keenum/Bradford " 

@"greediron" said:

How many coordinators have been hired from the bye week teams since they allowed it? 

Perhap Shurmur won't be given an offer by Detroit but a person has to question if that would be his first choice since he's a Michigan native; born, raised, Michigan State alum, coaching start.

Living in Michigan I get all the sports radio, and the Lions GM is Quinn from the New England Organizational tree. It's a pretty solid conclusion that he wants a defensive minded HC ala Belichick. He has also seen what Minnesota has done with Zimmer at the helm. My guess is Shurmur doesn't wind up in Detroit. AZ could be attractive if he can get a QB, but they got old in a hurry. Going to be a grind to get them back in contention with  San Fran seemingly on their way with Jimmy G. and the Rams.

@"CLOBIMON" said:

@"greediron" said:

How many coordinators have been hired from the bye week teams since they allowed it? 

The recent one I recall is that Shanahan had interviewed and was said to be going to accept the San Fran job prior to the Super Bowl last year... and did officially do so the day after.

Arizona--No QB, strong defense, aging offensive stars
Chicago--Young QB with upside, good young defense, great running game
New York--Declining QB but 2nd pick overall in 2018 draft, majorly underachieving defense, no running game
Detroit--Statistically top 5 QB, not great running game, not great defense
To my eye the Chicago job looks the most attractive unless he likes the idea of bringing in his own QB with a strong D for support (Arizona) or sees a great offensive opportunity (Detroit).

@"prairieghost" said: Arizona--No QB, strong defense, aging offensive stars Chicago--Young QB with upside, good young defense, great running game New York--Declining QB but 2nd pick overall in 2018 draft, majorly underachieving defense, no running game Detroit--Statistically top 5 QB, not great running game, not great defense To my eye the Chicago job looks the most attractive unless he likes the idea of bringing in his own QB with a strong D for support (Arizona) or sees a great offensive opportunity (Detroit).

Sadly Chicago does look the best.  hopefully Shurmur doesn't go there.

@"Wetlander" said: If Shurmur does leave to be a Head Coach...  I hope he keeps his hands off the Vikings assistant coaches.

I don't believe many are his guys, are they? How many did Zimmer take from Cincy, any?

@"Canthony" said:

@"Wetlander" said: If Shurmur does leave to be a Head Coach...  I hope he keeps his hands off the Vikings assistant coaches.

I don't believe many are his guys, are they? How many did Zimmer take from Cincy, any?

We're gonna need someone when Mike Zimmer retires after the Super Bowl...  B)