Josh Rosen Says He'd Rather Be Lower Pick on 'Right Team' Than Higher Pick

He's totally entitled to his opinion...and he's absolutely correct. Ross Tucker, give me a break: why does there have to be 'value' in everything a 21 year old kid has to say? Can't he just be speaking his mind and saying the EXACT same thing the media and everyone else is saying about the situation? Who the hell wants to play for the Browns? 

Its common sense, its not like Rosen broke the DaVinci Code or something. (eye roll)

This could get ugly, but you have to look at Manning and Elway and say they made the right decision by refusing to play for the teams that wanted them. 

I was curious just how many QBs the Browns have drafted recently in the first three rounds (rounds in which you have a right to expect that pick to eventually compete for a starting job). So I looked it up:

2017: DeShone Kizer (2nd)
2016: Cody Kessler (3rd)
2014: Johnny Manziel (1st)
2012: Brandon Weeden (1st)
2010: Colt McCoy (3rd)
2007: Brady Quinn (1st)
2005: Charlie Frye (3rd)

That's just insane.

As I look into the Browns drafts further, it's just eye-opening. Jaw-dropping shocking. Between 2011 and 2015 the Browns had 8 first round draft picks. 1 of which, Danny Shelton, has been a mild bust. 7 of the 8 have been flat out can't-play-in-the-NFL busts: Cameron Erving, Johnny Manziel, Justin Gilbert, Bark Mingo, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Phil Taylor. 

And on the rare occasion when they do hit on a player (TJ Ward, Joe Haden, Alex Mack), they send him packing! It's like they're trying to lose. I knew they were bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad. This is an unprecedented level of incompetence. 

Question MB ... would those players have been busts if drafted by the right team?

So you're saying there's a chance.

Charlie Frye instead of Rogers in 05...

Ouch. 

Oh boy...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21891833/sam-darnold-usc-trojans-says-honored-play-nfl-team-including-cleveland-browns

I'll bet Rosen would like to play with some Bruin alumn here in MN?

Be a nice pix of him, Kendricks and Barr together :)

@"A1Janitor" said: Question MB ... would those players have been busts if drafted by the right team?

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: Question MB ... would those players have been busts if drafted by the right team?

I would argue no in almost all cases. They were just really, really bad picks. 

In recent history, look at all the "experts" who said Johnny F****** Football was a sure-thing-can't-miss-guaranteed-1st-round-overall-#1-pick.  How much influence do these geniuses have on the war rooms around the NFL?

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: Question MB ... would those players have been busts if drafted by the right team?

I would argue no in almost all cases. They were just really, really bad picks. 

Its debatable, but impossible to answer. There's no way to know definitively. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"A1Janitor" said: Question MB ... would those players have been busts if drafted by the right team?

I would argue no in almost all cases. They were just really, really bad picks. 

Its debatable, but impossible to answer. There's no way to know definitively. 

Yes, impossible to answer completely, but many of these picks were questionable even before they were drafted. For example, about Johnny Manziel, I said before the draft that "in three years he'll be playing in Canada." Out of the NFL. About Justin Gilbert (8th overall pick) I said: "He scares me. From the neck down, I think he's a top 10 pick. But I don't like what's in his head. He's inconsistent, isn't physical enough to press or defend the run, makes too many mental errors...The sort of thing he struggles with tend to compound in the NFL." Out of the NFL. About Trent Richardson, I called him "a  'tease' who will seduce someone only to be released later." Out of the NFL. On Cameron Erving, I liked him early on, but after further study, I determined that he was one of the most overrated offensive linemen in the draft. That he'd never be able to play center in the NFL. After several tries at center in Cleveland, he was traded to KC...where he's now a backup tackle. 

And, dude, I'm just stupid fan. They have access to film and analytics, ex-coaches, etc. There's NO excuse for how they've drafted, especially from 2011 to 2015, which should be the players that represent the core of their team right now. ALL players have a degree of bust factor. It almost seems as if they identify players  with the highest bust factor and move them to the top of the list. 

@"MaroonBells" said: It's like they're trying to lose. I knew they were bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad. This is an unprecedented level of incompetence. 

And I just heard the Vikings have been in the playoffs something like 27 of their 57 years. Close to every other season. And then you need to remember that its been about 31-32 years with the expanded playoffs, so it was even more difficult back in the day to get to the dance. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Charlie Frye instead of Rogers in 05...

Ouch. 

Let the Browns take him.

IMO, Rosen is the best QB in this Draft. 

I think it's Cleveland lack of a consistent system that has led to so many players busting there.  We talk about how much our team has grown each year under Zimmer,  we'll Cleveland ownership likely would have fired Zimmer after last year.  Right or wrong they need to find a GM and coaching staff that are in sync with what they are doing and stick with them for about 5 years minimim.  Turnover and turmoil at the top trickles down to shit and suck age at the bottom.

Rosen is the best this class has to offer and hes a damn good QB. I wish the Vikings could have a chance at him. I have liked Rosen since the start of last years.
Never been on the Darnold bandwagon. Too many flaws and his mechanics are nothing to write about IMO. He is saying the right things because he will and is dropping in the draft. He is taking his shot to be the first overall pick after Rosen said he essentially has no interest in the Browns.

@"StickyBun" said: IMO, Rosen is the best QB in this Draft. 

Honestly, that's not saying much...it's still a good QB class in sheer numbers of guys that will probably go Day 1, but it's no where near the level I thought of last year...like 1983 part Deaux...these guys all have major warts...I like Mayfield the best and he's too small, but so are others (Brees, Wilson, Case), and he's got some off field concerns...but, like last year these guys will get overdrafted because of the position...