Any More Chanting for Teddy??

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think we've seen worse from Case.  It was hardly a good situation where he was allowed to throw.  TEddy was amped up and put to much mustard on the ball.  

Remember case opened the last game with a pick,   hardly wOrth trying to compare limited opportunities.

But if it helps your agenda...run with it.  This was good for the team to get the gitters out of ted.

Exactly. It's completely natural for a player to be nervous/excited after coming back from a serious injury, so him making some mistakes is to be expected. The good thing is that he had a chance to settle his nerves and we saw that he is still able to move around the pocket and protect himself.

As for the two passes, I agree that he put too much mustard on them. Both were thrown hard and a bit high, though I think Floyd should have been able to catch the pass on 3rd down. Would have loved to see him get more snaps today, but hopefully, he'll get some extended time against the Bears, so that we can get a better idea of where he actually is both for deciding on next year and having him ready if anything happens to Case.

@"Tyr" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think we've seen worse from Case.  It was hardly a good situation where he was allowed to throw.  TEddy was amped up and put to much mustard on the ball.  

Remember case opened the last game with a pick,   hardly wOrth trying to compare limited opportunities.

But if it helps your agenda...run with it.  This was good for the team to get the gitters out of ted.

Exactly. It's completely natural for a player to be nervous/excited after coming back from a serious injury, so him making some mistakes is to be expected. The good thing is that he had a chance to settle his nerves and we saw that he is still able to move around the pocket and protect himself.

As for the two passes, I agree that he put too much mustard on them. Both were thrown hard and a bit high, though I think Floyd should have been able to catch the pass on 3rd down. Would have loved to see him get more snaps today, but hopefully, he'll get some extended time against the Bears, so that we can get a better idea of where he actually is both for deciding on next year and having him ready if anything happens to Case.

What i think - Case is the one built for this team in this year.  Teddy looked fine - he hung in the pocket and I counted that he read 3 receiver progressions on the first throw.  He did not look panicky.

That said, Case is a "gamer", and Teddy, a "nice guy".   Teddy still has not proven to be consistent with the deep ball, and while mobile, Case continues to look downfield and make plays on the run.

I never thought I'd say it, but I'd sign Case over Teddy, based purely on what I've seen this year.  I know Teddy is younger, has loads of talent, but I'd like to win now, and Case sure seems like a more fiery leader.

You can't grade the performance on a slew of handoffs, two passes, and kneeling the ball three times. There is always going to be a difference between practice and a real game. Coming off the bench cold turkey like that isn't always the easiest either. 

He looked anxious in the pocket, but we'd have to see him more before you could even begin to consider if it was nerves, a fear of being hit, or just a fluke. 

@"JimmyinSD" said: Case haD a full game as a throw away against the Steelers,   but Ted is suposed to be rated on two throws on third down after running It for shit on the first two downs.

Ok.

Getting the first team reps is the key.  Case got almost none before the Steeler game and Teddy got almost none before this game.  Can't judge Bridgewater on this one.  What we did get, was him in a game before the playoffs.  That is huge.  How'd you like his performance in a playoff game if it was his first time taking live game snaps in January.  Here, he knocked off nerves, not rust - he is not rusty.  He's had lots of practice the last 8 weeks.  The key is whether he can perform on gameday if he is really needed. 

Today did not help calm any fears about that possibility, but it is one more step.  Don't forget, if the Vikings get to the NFC Championship game or Super Bowl, Sam Bradford would also be available to play.

@"Jor-El" said: Call it rust, or say the INT was not his fault because it was deflected. But I saw weak, sidearm throws. Certainly no "it factor". Reminded me of his modest production in 14 and 15.

But I want to hear what others thought.

Too early to say anything but way to go kid, nice job getting back on the field. Amazing resilience and a hell of a story. 

@"Tom Moore" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Case haD a full game as a throw away against the Steelers,   but Ted is suposed to be rated on two throws on third down after running It for shit on the first two downs.

Ok.

Getting the first team reps is the key.  Case got almost none before the Steeler game and Teddy got almost none before this game.  Can't judge Bridgewater on this one.  What we did get, was him in a game before the playoffs.  That is huge.  How'd you like his performance in a playoff game if it was his first time taking live game snaps in January.  Here, he knocked off nerves, not rust - he is not rusty.  He's had lots of practice the last 8 weeks.  The key is whether he can perform on gameday if he is really needed. 

Today did not help calm any fears about that possibility, but it is one more step.  Don't forget, if the Vikings get to the NFC Championship game or Super Bowl, Sam Bradford would also be available to play.

We are no closer on determining where Teddy is at after this brief cameo, and the unfortunate part is that we probably won't have the luxury of playing him in the next two games unless they really get out of hand. That rarely happens vs. the Packers and Bears. The Packers will be looking at next week's game as their Super Bowl and you know that would like nothing better than to ensure we don't capture the number 1 overall seed in the NFC. 

@"Tom Moore" said: What i think - Case is the one built for this team in this year.  Teddy looked fine - he hung in the pocket and I counted that he read 3 receiver progressions on the first throw.  He did not look panicky.

That said, Case is a "gamer", and Teddy, a "nice guy".   Teddy still has not proven to be consistent with the deep ball, and while mobile, Case continues to look downfield and make plays on the run.

I never thought I'd say it, but I'd sign Case over Teddy, based purely on what I've seen this year.  I know Teddy is younger, has loads of talent, but I'd like to win now, and Case sure seems like a more fiery leader.

I'm still not sure what to think of Case. He has done a good job, but what percentage of the Vikings success is him, what percentage is Shurmur, and what percentage is the supporting cast? Basically, could we put any decent QB with certain traits in that situation and expect similar results or are there things that Case does, which separate him? His mobility and ability to avoid sacks is a definite positive. I think that his accuracy, failure to go through progressions/stare down receivers, and holding onto the ball too long are negative. Then you have traits like not being afraid to make tight window throws/trusting your playmakers. That's worked this year, but is that because of guys like Thielen, Diggs, & Rudolph making tremendous plays and/or has he had a certain amount of luck with the ball bouncing the right way? Also, when he does make mistakes the D has generally been good enough to limit the damage.

It's this weird case where the offense has been better and they are putting up points, but I seldom feel like the offense is really playing well. I think Keenum is playing well enough and the D is good enough that they could win it all this year, but when you talk about extending Case past this season, that is where I get more hesitant. I think the window to do that at a reasonable contract level has passed and if he gets into FA, then you are competing with teams desperate for a QB like the Bills and Jets who might throw a stupid amount of money his way. If we could get him for a midlevel QB contract and still afford to keep Teddy or another good QB to compete/backup, then I would be fine with that. But if we are talking about giving him top 10-15 QB money, then I hesitate a lot more at that point.

@"Jor-El" said: I don't have an agenda, but I wondered what people here thought, and more importantly, if it will affect the crowd's desire to see him in a game.

Sure you do, you made a judgement of off today.

Hopefully, we get a good lead on the Packers next week so he can get some more gameplay.  I would hate for us to need him and he's just getting his first reps in 36 games (Regular season and pre season).

"I still don't know what to think of Case..."

Then I don't think you ever will.
Ever.
Even I f he would have only missed on 2 of his passes today instead of 3 ( breaking Favre's Viking record for completion percentage in a game ) you would still not know what to think.

While fans of other teams would be saying, “We finally found a guy who can really play the QB position”, Vikings fans are asking, “What if?”.
I understand, I’ve been a fan for 44 years. We won’t let ourselves get too excited or feel too good. Specially about a player at a position where there hasn’t been a lot of success.

I love the fact Teddy came out onto the field in the 4th quarter. He is a great guy! 

Sign Case to a nice contract! I think he’s the guy and has the “It” factor.

@"Maple Surple" said: "I still don't know what to think of Case..."

Then I don't think you ever will.
Ever.
Even I f he would have only missed on 2 of his passes today instead of 3 ( breaking Favre's Viking record for completion percentage in a game ) you would still not know what to think.

What it comes down to is that I don't think he's an elite QB. He's had good results this year, but I think those are largely due to Shurmur, good skill players who give him a large margin for error, and in general an improved OL, though the last two games the line was shaky. I also think he's been lucky year. He's taken a lot of risks and balls have either bounced his way or the receivers have made tremendous catches. It's worked out so far and I am happy that we are winning, but I feel he's QB riding a hot streak in an ideal situation. I hope he continues riding this streak throughout the playoffs and we win it all, but I think they waited too long to re-sign him as a mid term option and he won't be worth the contract that he signs in the off-season.

I think their formula of an elite defense, very good supporting cast on offense, and depth at QB is compelling. An elite QB would of course be ideal, but if they can get away with not paying elite QB money than that allows them to have depth and improve the supporting cast for whomever is at QB. The hard part is that as more of our younger players get paid, then keeping what we spend on QB reasonable becomes more important. Someone is going to pay Keenum this off-season, I'd just be hesitant to give him Glennon or Bradford money.

And what about Sloter?

@"A1Janitor" said: And what about Sloter?

He's a complete unknown. He'd benefit from Shurmur and the supporting cast, but I doubt he has enough experience or developed talent to excel. I'm not saying that Keenum is bad, just that he's around an average QB who has benefited tremendously from an ideal situation. He is making the most out of the opportunity and in the past we have not had QB friendly schemes or personnel, everything was directed towards running the offense through Peterson.

I love Teddy, but I think the best thing for the team and this season is exactly what happened today.  If Teddy had made some nice throws or driven down for a score I know at least some of the fans would have been calling for him to start if Case has a bad game in the next couple weeks.  But this did two things it got the jitters off of Teddy so if he really is needed because of injury he is calm and ready.  Secondly there is really no debate left this is Case's team for this year period.  Unless Case gets injured he is the starter through the super bowl win.  Today put the debate to rest for this year anyway.

@"PSBLAKE" said: I love Teddy, but I think the best thing for the team and this season is exactly what happened today.  If Teddy had made some nice throws or driven down for a score I know at least some of the fans would have been calling for him to start if Case has a bad game in the next couple weeks.  But this did two things it got the jitters off of Teddy so if he really is needed because of injury he is calm and ready.  Secondly there is really no debate left this is Case's team for this year period.  Unless Case gets injured he is the starter through the super bowl win.  Today put the debate to rest for this year anyway.

It's Case's team for the rest of the year and yes, it is better for Teddy to get the jitters out of his system now, so if he is needed later this season, then he as at least seem some live action since his injury. The debate is what happens after this year, since we have no QB under contract and the Vikings could go in any number of directions with players on the current roster or from elsewhere. A lot also depends on what happens with Shurmur. A deep playoff run would increase our odds of keeping him and would bode well for keeping any of the QBs on the current roster. If Shurmur leaves, then that radically changes the discussion of who should be our QBs next year.

@"A1Janitor" said: And what about Sloter?

What about him? He's the 3rd string developmental guy.  He will get his time in the preseason, he will have a chance to fight for the backup job.  If we somehow keep 2 of the 3 starters we have then Sloter is the 3.

All I know is when Teddy entered the game, my 11 year old was in LITERAL tears as his favorite player made his way back to the field after not knowing if he'd ever even walk correctly again.  Say what you will about Teddy, but taking the field had a real impact with the team and fan base.  Case is unquestionably the starter, but make no mistake...Teddy is LOVED by the fans.

Only thing that rivaled that was taking him to his first NFL game.  

I put zero stock in anything Bridgewater did today as some precursor to where he is at as a QB. I was just happy to see him get out there and get some live reps. Hoping to see more before the end of the season (Bears game?). 

Keenum is our QB going forward and I'm thrilled that he is. Class move leading the Teddy cheers today as he took the field. Just really goes to show what kind of leader we have in him.