Keenum + Sloter for 2018?

The Vikings can do a fat contract for Teddy with team protections based on being on the roster,  Guru had an example in one of the threads yesterday of what he thought it would look like.  basically the meat of the contract is in a yearly roster bonus.

Teddy is going to get paid by somebody,  its in the Vikings best short term interest to be the team to pay him or Case.  general consensus is that Teddy has the higher upside so he makes the most sense right now to be looking at signing as the starter IMO,  but we dont see him so its really hard to say for sure,  i just dont think that Zim would be even entertaining the idea of playing Teddy unless he was really convinced there was an upside to him over Case.

Remember the days of Bollinger, Ponder etc?

@"holmanjp" said:

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You think other teams are going to be lined up to sign Ted if he doesn't play this year?

I get the fan favorite part of believing that. Same thing was said about letting Peterson hit the market.

I'm not up to speed on the tolling contract thing.
Would it not be in the Vikings best interest to go that route?

@"purplefaithful" said: Remember the days of Bollinger, Ponder etc?

Everybody hated and bashed on Ponder but he actually has had a lower QBR than Teddy.
which was kind of surprising.

Ponder ranked 16
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2012

Teddy ranked 17http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2015

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The thing that bugs me about Teddy's injury is that nothing logical seems to have caused it. It just fell apart on him. People sometimes just have bad knees. I would worry that is the case with him. I would need to see a season of work out of him before committing any large and lengthy contracts for him. 

@"Mike Olson" said: The thing that bugs me about Teddy's injury is that nothing logical seems to have caused it. It just fell apart on him. People sometimes just have bad knees. I would worry that is the case with him. I would need to see a season of work out of him before committing any large and lengthy contracts for him. 

Thats how i feel. Anyone remember Dustin Keller(AUGUST 20, 2013),or Marus Lattimore? Dustin Keller NFL career 2008-2012     It's true that San Francisco 49ers running back Marcus Lattimore is well on his way to a full recovery from the same constellation of ligament injuries and dislocation as Keller's.  On December 12, 2012, Lattimore confirmed in a press conference that he would enter the 2013 NFL Draft. On April 27, 2013, he was drafted in the fourth round, with the 131st overall pick, by the San Francisco 49ers. On May 31, 2013, the San Francisco 49ers signed Lattimore to a 4-year deal worth $2,460,584 including a signing bonus of $300,584. On August 27, 2013, he was placed on the reserve/non-football injury list. On November 5, 2014, Lattimore announced his retirement from the NFL

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Norse" said: Geoff you have any thoughts on Bradford?   Could he look for a deal with prove it incentives. Sign with another team ? Or just retire?

Sadly, all of those are on the table. The thoughts that his current knee issue will force him to retire is probably exaggerated. But for a 30 year old who has made roughly $114M in his career thus far, life after football at least has to be a consideration. But NFL players are wired a little differently so thinking logically doesn't always work. 

The only way I see Sam returning to MN is if something unexpected happens and Bridgewater finds his way to free agency and is going to command a contract the Vikings aren't comfortable with. At that point I could see them giving Bradford a short-term deal with incentives while also bringing Keenum back. Otherwise more likely I could see him getting a shot in Arizona or Denver since they're trying to win now and will be on the lookout for QB upgrades. 

@"Geoff Nichols", have you heard anything out of the organization in regards to Sloter?  Are the Vikings impressed by him?  Is there any chance he could play next year (not meaning as a starter necessarily), or is he still a year or two away from possibly seeing the field?

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Norse" said: Geoff you have any thoughts on Bradford?   Could he look for a deal with prove it incentives. Sign with another team ? Or just retire?

Sadly, all of those are on the table. The thoughts that his current knee issue will force him to retire is probably exaggerated. But for a 30 year old who has made roughly $114M in his career thus far, life after football at least has to be a consideration. But NFL players are wired a little differently so thinking logically doesn't always work. 

The only way I see Sam returning to MN is if something unexpected happens and Bridgewater finds his way to free agency and is going to command a contract the Vikings aren't comfortable with. At that point I could see them giving Bradford a short-term deal with incentives while also bringing Keenum back. Otherwise more likely I could see him getting a shot in Arizona or Denver since they're trying to win now and will be on the lookout for QB upgrades. 

@"Geoff Nichols", have you heard anything out of the organization in regards to Sloter?  Are the Vikings impressed by him?  Is there any chance he could play next year (not meaning as a starter necessarily), or is he still a year or two away from possibly seeing the field?

As far as I've heard, they love him. He isn't ready to play now, but I think they have high hopes for him as a backup moving forward. Probably the best developmental QB they've had. 

@"Clanzomaelan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"Norse" said: Geoff you have any thoughts on Bradford?   Could he look for a deal with prove it incentives. Sign with another team ? Or just retire?

Sadly, all of those are on the table. The thoughts that his current knee issue will force him to retire is probably exaggerated. But for a 30 year old who has made roughly $114M in his career thus far, life after football at least has to be a consideration. But NFL players are wired a little differently so thinking logically doesn't always work. 

The only way I see Sam returning to MN is if something unexpected happens and Bridgewater finds his way to free agency and is going to command a contract the Vikings aren't comfortable with. At that point I could see them giving Bradford a short-term deal with incentives while also bringing Keenum back. Otherwise more likely I could see him getting a shot in Arizona or Denver since they're trying to win now and will be on the lookout for QB upgrades. 

@"Geoff Nichols", have you heard anything out of the organization in regards to Sloter?  Are the Vikings impressed by him?  Is there any chance he could play next year (not meaning as a starter necessarily), or is he still a year or two away from possibly seeing the field?

As far as I've heard, they love him. He isn't ready to play now, but I think they have high hopes for him as a backup moving forward. Probably the best developmental QB they've had. 

Out here in Broncos Country, the fans were seriously up-in-arms over letting him go, and bringing in Brock. Fans out here seem to think he's got future star potential. Diamond in the rough type of stuff.

In your mind, and in the minds of the Vikings- Do they see him similarly (diamond in the rough with starter potential), or are we looking at another career back-up like McLeod Bethel-Thompson/ Todd Bauman?

@"Geoff Nichols" said: He has legitimate starting talent. Look up his strange back story, lots of potential that just never was able to get on the field for various reasons outside of his control. 

His backstory was posted all over the place out here. Particularly after Preseason Game 4 (I think that is the game that he flat out owned...). The fans, and everyone out here thought Sloter cemented himself as the future backup (most preferring him over Lynch who has looked like the game is just not slowing down for him as yet). 

I, for one, am happy as a clam to have the guy! I make sure to tell my QB-less Broncos buddies that every time we talk.

@"Geoff Nichols" said: To add some context, I think there is a misunderstanding of what Teddy is worth. His negotiation is going to go one of two ways. 

1. The team locks into a shorter term deal to mitigate the teams risk with additional guaranteed money being the trade off for the player. This is the method the Eagles took with Bradford in his 2016 extension. 

2. The team offers the player market rate money and term but does not offer a significant signing bonus and reduces guarantees. Usually the player gets competitive roster bonuses with strong language. This method gives the team an easy way out of the deal with the player not being penalized for their injury or poor season. This is the method the Bengals have taken with Andy Dalton to much success. 

So what does this mean for Bridgewater? Well, considering the Vikings have historically tried to pay players upfront to avoid kicking anything down the road option #2 has been their pro forma. From Bridgewater's side this makes sense to take money up-front with the opportunity earn market rate and a potential renegotiation down the road. Money wise it would look something like this: 

Deal: 5 years $90M with $25M in guaranteed money ($2.5M signing bonus). All roster bonuses due 3 days prior to each new league year. Bridgewaters 2020 salary is 50% guaranteed at the payout of the $6M roster bonus and another 50% guaranteed at the beginning of camp.  

2018 - Salary: $12.0M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0M / Cap Hit: $12.5M / Dead Cap: $25M / Cap Savings: ($12.5M)
2019 - Salary: $10.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $4.0M / Cap Hit: $15.0M / Dead Cap: $12.5M / Cap Savings: $2.5M
2020 - Salary: $12M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $6.0M / Cap Hit: $18.5M / Dead Cap: $1.5M / Cap Savings: $17M
2021 - Salary: $19.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0 / Cap Hit: $20M / Dead Cap: $1.0M / Cap Savings: $19M
2022 - Salary: $23.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0 / Cap Hit: $24M / Dead Cap: $500K / Cap Savings: $23.5M

If you sort through all the contractual junk this is a 2 year deal worth $27.5M. After that you pay as you go with a likely restructure before the 2021 season.  

Is the rumor of Aaron Rodgers having a clause that he can opt out true?  I've seen that he can and I have seen that he can't.

@"Bolstad79" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: To add some context, I think there is a misunderstanding of what Teddy is worth. His negotiation is going to go one of two ways. 

1. The team locks into a shorter term deal to mitigate the teams risk with additional guaranteed money being the trade off for the player. This is the method the Eagles took with Bradford in his 2016 extension. 

2. The team offers the player market rate money and term but does not offer a significant signing bonus and reduces guarantees. Usually the player gets competitive roster bonuses with strong language. This method gives the team an easy way out of the deal with the player not being penalized for their injury or poor season. This is the method the Bengals have taken with Andy Dalton to much success. 

So what does this mean for Bridgewater? Well, considering the Vikings have historically tried to pay players upfront to avoid kicking anything down the road option #2 has been their pro forma. From Bridgewater's side this makes sense to take money up-front with the opportunity earn market rate and a potential renegotiation down the road. Money wise it would look something like this: 

Deal: 5 years $90M with $25M in guaranteed money ($2.5M signing bonus). All roster bonuses due 3 days prior to each new league year. Bridgewaters 2020 salary is 50% guaranteed at the payout of the $6M roster bonus and another 50% guaranteed at the beginning of camp.  

2018 - Salary: $12.0M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0M / Cap Hit: $12.5M / Dead Cap: $25M / Cap Savings: ($12.5M)
2019 - Salary: $10.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $4.0M / Cap Hit: $15.0M / Dead Cap: $12.5M / Cap Savings: $2.5M
2020 - Salary: $12M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $6.0M / Cap Hit: $18.5M / Dead Cap: $1.5M / Cap Savings: $17M
2021 - Salary: $19.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0 / Cap Hit: $20M / Dead Cap: $1.0M / Cap Savings: $19M
2022 - Salary: $23.5M / Prorated Bonus: $500K / Roster Bonus: $0 / Cap Hit: $24M / Dead Cap: $500K / Cap Savings: $23.5M

If you sort through all the contractual junk this is a 2 year deal worth $27.5M. After that you pay as you go with a likely restructure before the 2021 season.  

Is the rumor of Aaron Rodgers having a clause that he can opt out true?  I've seen that he can and I have seen that he can't.