Going on record, Teddy starts next week
I think this game was exactly the reason Teddy starts next week. We had a big lead and Case went off script and launched an horrible floater into triple coverage.
Zimmer mentioned it it locker room. And after 2nd int, keenum was barely allowed to pass.
I think the coaches said let's just get out with a win and move on.
I think next week with a script to get TB on a good start, they will have the game plan set for TB.
@"StickyBun" said: No way Teddy starts Sunday against the Rams....but I think we can definitely debate how long Keenum's leash is for this game. The Rams are good, no doubt, but this is a home game. Need the best effort and to get a W. And to Greed's train of thought, don't underestimate how much Zimmer hated those garbage INTs in the 2nd half.Zim has a love affair for teddy, i think Case could play completely flawless and eventually he will get pulled. even though in my opinion they're the same player, and Teddy has way more questions then Case right now.
I think Keenum will want to go out and tear up the Rams D. This game has meaning for him, and I think Zimmer realizes that. We're in a win win situation with these two guys. And although Case fucked up toward the end of the game, I love his style. He's great.
the game against the Rams is going to go one of two ways.
case comes out firing like he did yesterday and its his game to win or lose
Case comes out flat or due to personal excitement, over excited and poor and we see Teddy take the field to start the second half.
That’s it. A Case win, he stays at starter, a bad first half and Teddy can win the job for the rest of the year.
You dont lose your job to injury, Zim knows this and he knows what he wants out of his QB, good but safe play. We have the OL, OC, and the weapons now that most QBs would do very well here, he wants the guy who won’t throw the game away
@"Skodin" said: the game against the Rams is going to go one of two ways.case comes out firing like he did yesterday and its his game to win or lose
Case comes out flat or due to personal excitement, over excited and poor and we see Teddy take the field to start the second half.
That’s it. A Case win, he stays at starter, a bad first half and Teddy can win the job for the rest of the year.
You dont lose your job to injury, Zim knows this and he knows what he wants out of his QB, good but safe play. We have the OL, OC, and the weapons now that most QBs would do very well here, he wants the guy who won’t throw the game away
I think missing a few games due to injuries such as a twisted knee, cracked ribs or any other injury that keeps a quarterback out 3, 4 or up to 5,6 games is the normal rule. But, in Teddy's case out a year and a half due to the kind of knee injury he had. I don't think that rule applies. Teddy is going to have to prove he capable of winning his job back and Case hasn't really made it that easy for him either. Just my opinion though.
@"golfervike" said:When you say that Teddy has more questions than Case, I think that only really makes sense from a fans perspective who haven’t really seen him do anything in 2 years. But I would imagine that a lot of those questions have been resolved by any person that has seen them both in practice. They’ll know how confident he looks on his leg, how mobile he is, how good his deep accuracy is, how well he understands the scheme and playbook, and how well he’s on the same page as his receivers. I think the only thing they can’t really simulate is how well he’ll respond to getting hit and having pressure bearing down on him.@"StickyBun" said: No way Teddy starts Sunday against the Rams....but I think we can definitely debate how long Keenum's leash is for this game. The Rams are good, no doubt, but this is a home game. Need the best effort and to get a W. And to Greed's train of thought, don't underestimate how much Zimmer hated those garbage INTs in the 2nd half. Zim has a love affair for teddy, i think Case could play completely flawless and eventually he will get pulled. even though in my opinion they're the same player, and Teddy has way more questions then Case right now.They also know how Bridgewater looks compared to Keenum. In my mind, you wouldn’t be hearing things
like “Bridgewater will most likely start sometime this season” from players and
“Bridgewater is our quarterback of the future” from Zimmer (paraphrasing those
quotes) if he wasn’t very close to Keenum or exceeding him in practice. I think reading between the lines, Bridgewater
looks like a better option to the coaching staff, and the only thing that will
keep him off the field is Keenum continuing to win.
I don't think our coaching staff is going to go full homer on Teddy if the evidence in practice is pointing in the other direction.
@"ArizonaViking" said:@"Skodin" said: the game against the Rams is going to go one of two ways.case comes out firing like he did yesterday and its his game to win or lose
Case comes out flat or due to personal excitement, over excited and poor and we see Teddy take the field to start the second half.
That’s it. A Case win, he stays at starter, a bad first half and Teddy can win the job for the rest of the year.
You dont lose your job to injury, Zim knows this and he knows what he wants out of his QB, good but safe play. We have the OL, OC, and the weapons now that most QBs would do very well here, he wants the guy who won’t throw the game away
I think missing a few games due to injuries such as a twisted knee, cracked ribs or any other injury that keeps a quarterback out 3, 4 or up to 5,6 games is the normal rule. But, in Teddy's case out a year and a half due to the kind of knee injury he had. I don't think that rule applies. Teddy is going to have to prove he capable of winning his job back and Case hasn't really made it that easy for him either. Just my opinion though.
Agreed on the injury thing. That has been proven false many times over even on shorter absences.But I wonder if Teddy is proving he is the better QB? We don't get to see it in practice like the coaches. But Teddy has stayed mentally sharp, studying and taking mental reps. So his understanding of the game has grown. He has grown physically as well.
To me, the only thing holding him back would be rust. His even keel, his ability to control the game and make good decisions put him above Keenum. Keenum can get hot and I think the offensive play calling has been outstanding, setting him up for success. But Teddy doesn't have that hot and cold streak. He can play it tight and thenopen it up at the end of a game if needed.
They completely shut Case down at the end of this game. After his second INT, he was barely allowed to throw.
@"greediron" said:@"ArizonaViking" said:@"Skodin" said: the game against the Rams is going to go one of two ways.case comes out firing like he did yesterday and its his game to win or lose
Case comes out flat or due to personal excitement, over excited and poor and we see Teddy take the field to start the second half.
That’s it. A Case win, he stays at starter, a bad first half and Teddy can win the job for the rest of the year.
You dont lose your job to injury, Zim knows this and he knows what he wants out of his QB, good but safe play. We have the OL, OC, and the weapons now that most QBs would do very well here, he wants the guy who won’t throw the game away
I think missing a few games due to injuries such as a twisted knee, cracked ribs or any other injury that keeps a quarterback out 3, 4 or up to 5,6 games is the normal rule. But, in Teddy's case out a year and a half due to the kind of knee injury he had. I don't think that rule applies. Teddy is going to have to prove he capable of winning his job back and Case hasn't really made it that easy for him either. Just my opinion though.
Agreed on the injury thing. That has been proven false many times over even on shorter absences.But I wonder if Teddy is proving he is the better QB? We don't get to see it in practice like the coaches. But Teddy has stayed mentally sharp, studying and taking mental reps. So his understanding of the game has grown. He has grown physically as well.
To me, the only thing holding him back would be rust. His even keel, his ability to control the game and make good decisions put him above Keenum. Keenum can get hot and I think the offensive play calling has been outstanding, setting him up for success. But Teddy doesn't have that hot and cold streak. He can play it tight and thenopen it up at the end of a game if needed.
They completely shut Case down at the end of this game. After his second INT, he was barely allowed to throw.
I agree. Nobody will know what Teddy's got until we actually see it in a live game. I think Zim should put Teddy in when the game dictates it and a change is needed regardless if it's this week, next week or whenever. As long as the team is winning, stick with Case.
looks like 4 passes after the 2 INTs, for a total of 17 yards. So the entire 4th quarter, with us needing a score after they had pulled within 8. Granted we wanted to pound the ball, run the clock, but we needed a score. We settled for a 53 yard FG from Forbath. Anyone think that was a gimme? I was nervous as could be.
I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind.
That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.
@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.
Bulger? That was Trent Green and it was preseason. But you point is valid. Brady is best example IMO.
@"greediron" said:@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.
Bulger? That was Trent Green and it was preseason. But you point is valid. Brady is best example IMO.
You're right. I knew something didnt sound quite right...
@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.But Brady was also replace, due to injury, in the AFCCG and Bill went back to Brady because he felt he gave them the best chance for the super bowl.
@"silverjoel" said:@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.But Brady was also replace, due to injury, in the AFCCG and Bill went back to Brady because he felt he gave them the best chance for the super bowl.
It all depends on the player and the situation. I just feel the tho old adage that a player never loses his job to injury is not true. Ask Brad Johnson.
FWIW, I'll go on record as saying I believe Teddy starts at Detroit. We go into Thanksgiving with a fresh well rested QB.
Detroit goes into Thanksgiving coming off a tough road loss to the bears with a QB that's gimpy because soldiers field sucks
@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.
i agree. there is a reason that players are starters and back ups, but when the back up proves to be much better than previously advertised then its time to revisit the pecking order. Case is making a tough argument against Teddy, but IMO if Sam were healthy after what we saw week 1 vs what Case has shown it would be a no brainer... Teddy is just lacking the body of work within this system to make the same argument, but it doesnt mean an argument cant be made for Teddy... just not the one about not losing a job due to injury.
@"wiviking" said:I agree, but those situations aren't really the same. Bridgewater is still the young upcoming QB that replaces the injured starter. Even after being in the NFL for his fourth year, he is still one of the youngest QBs (only 2 months older than Wentz, for reference).@"silverjoel" said:@"wiviking" said: I think the statement, that you don't lose the job over an injury is just something they say. Some of the best qb's in the league got their job because the starter was injured. Favre and Brady are the first to come to mind. That is not to say Keenum is one of the best in the league, but Bulger was having an awesome year before breaking his leg. And Warner never gave the job up.But Brady was also replace, due to injury, in the AFCCG and Bill went back to Brady because he felt he gave them the best chance for the super bowl.
It all depends on the player and the situation. I just feel the tho old adage that a player never loses his job to injury is not true. Ask Brad Johnson.
It's hard to not be excited about this team right now. Look at the problem we are having: We have a backup qb playing so well, we cant justify pulling him. And we have, what we all hope, is the future of the franchise waiting to get in. Where most teams hope to hell they don't have to see their backup. We actually have two starters now. Add to that, we have legitimate offensive line depth, that is no longer offensive.
Consider this. You pull Keenum for Teddy this week. Ok that's pretty insulting to the guy that got you to 6-2 (one win was Bradford's but really the Pittsburgh loss is tough to pin on the backup with little prep time) SO there's that.
Now if Teddy starts and he is NOT ready, then you are going back to the guy that you yanked on a short week? I don't think so. I think they will gameplan the offense for both defenses with some augmentation built in if needed. They won't be able to install a full game plan for Detroit anyway. Not sure how similar the two defenses are but I don't expect that they are going to be willing to test the waters with Teddy until after the the Detroit game.
If they go with Teddy and he isn't ready..... They may have tanked their own season in doing so.
Edit: Fixed my brain fart on thinking we lost to Chicago)
@"Mike Olson" said: Consider this. You pull Keenum for Teddy this week. Ok that's pretty insulting to the guy that got you to 6-2 (one win was Bradford's but really the Chicago loss is sort of Bradford's as well) SO there's that.Now if Teddy starts and he is NOT ready, then you are going back to the guy that you yanked on a short week? I don't think so. I think they will gameplan the offense for both defenses with some augmentation built in if needed. They won't be able to install a full game plan for Detroit anyway. Not sure how similar the two defenses are but I don't expect that they are going to be willing to test the waters with Teddy until after the the Detroit game.
If they go with Teddy and he isn't ready..... They may have tanked their own season in doing so.
uhm... we didnt lose to Chicago... just pittsburgh and detoilet, both of which are Cases.
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