Anyone here REALLY EXPECT Bridgewater to start Sunday?
I do not, I think he gets activated though.
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
I never said I was worried. I said I doubt he is activated. I was wrong. If he comes back to play at the level he was at before his leg nearly fell off it will be an incredible story. I still doubt that he will be back to that level.
Is Teddy the primary back up? Sloter is listed as Primary back-up to Case
@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
I never said I was worried. I said I doubt he is activated. I was wrong. If he comes back to play at the level he was at before his leg nearly fell off it will be an incredible story. I still doubt that he will be back to that level.
Is Teddy the primary back up?
Yes, he's the #2 behind Keenum for Sunday. Sloter will be inactive.Who's talking about whether he comes back to his former level or not? I mean, nobody knows. You said he wouldn't be active and then said if he was, he wouldn't play: he's going to do both. I agree that it remains to be seen how he performs.
@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
yes.... but after the dislocation was dealt with (immediately) it essentially was a bunch of torn ligs and cartilage... like many other knee injuries. if he had suffered the nerve and arterial damage it would have been much less likely for him to return and would have been a bigger deal, but fortunately he didnt have those issues to overcome so i am saying it wasnt nearly as bad as you want to think it was.
@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
I never said I was worried. I said I doubt he is activated. I was wrong. If he comes back to play at the level he was at before his leg nearly fell off it will be an incredible story. I still doubt that he will be back to that level.
Is Teddy the primary back up?
Yes, he's the #2 behind Keenum for Sunday. Sloter will be deactivated.Who's talking about whether he comes back to his former level or not? I mean, nobody knows. You said he wouldn't be active and then said if he was, he wouldn't play: he's going to do both. I agree that it remains to be seen how he performs.
I don't know where you have been but there have been people pumping for Teddy to start since he came back of the PUP list. Can blame a Viking fan for being doubtful can ya?
I think it's a big deal that the odds of Teddy coming back to play at his former level are not that good. I think we are all being set up for a big let down. I'm not too eager to be let down.
Teddy has already exceeded my expectations, but I'm not holding out hope that he will be any better than he was before. It's an amazing story so far.
I can appreciate passionate fans speculating on complicated injuries, sight unseen, holding no medical degrees, but I really appreciate the Bucs coach's honesty on his gimpy QB...
Koetter said the latest MRI showed "a lot of medical terms that I'm not an expert on, but that he needs to be off for a couple of weeks.
@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
I never said I was worried. I said I doubt he is activated. I was wrong. If he comes back to play at the level he was at before his leg nearly fell off it will be an incredible story. I still doubt that he will be back to that level.
Is Teddy the primary back up?
Yes, he's the #2 behind Keenum for Sunday. Sloter will be deactivated.Who's talking about whether he comes back to his former level or not? I mean, nobody knows. You said he wouldn't be active and then said if he was, he wouldn't play: he's going to do both. I agree that it remains to be seen how he performs.
I don't know where you have been but there have been people pumping for Teddy to start since he came back of the PUP list. Can blame a Viking fan for being doubtful can ya?
I think it's a big deal that the odds of Teddy coming back to play at his former level are not that good. I think we are all being set up for a big let down. I'm not too eager to be let down.
Teddy has already exceeded my expectations, but I'm not holding out hope that he will be any better than he was before. It's an amazing story so far.
calling for him to start if he is showing better in practice than Case.. i can only think of 1 guy that has been blindly in the start Teddy now camp, but he thought he would be ready in July so... most everybody has been saying he should start as soon as the coaches think he is able to perform better than Case has.... basically saying that we dont want to wait for Case to lose a game or two if we have a better option waiting in the wings.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
yes.... but after the dislocation was dealt with (immediately) it essentially was a bunch of torn ligs and cartilage... like many other knee injuries. if he had suffered the nerve and arterial damage it would have been much less likely for him to return and would have been a bigger deal, but fortunately he didnt have those issues to overcome so i am saying it wasnt nearly as bad as you want to think it was.
whatever. I'm not making up the significance of the injury or wanting to think it was worse. Teddy is lucky it was not worse, but since it was not worse does not limit the significance of the injury nor the complications from the injury and further probability of future setbacks to the injury or future injury to the non effected knee as described in the article. what Teddy escaped was leg amputation there is no overcoming that to play football. How can you just blow the injury off, his knee dislocated dropping back to pass with no contact. Knee dislocations are rare.
@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
And Zimmer just gave him the 'he's 100% ready to go', so your worries weren't founded here in this case. No way Minnesota makes him active and places him as the primary backup if he didn't get a full clean bill of health.
I never said I was worried. I said I doubt he is activated. I was wrong. If he comes back to play at the level he was at before his leg nearly fell off it will be an incredible story. I still doubt that he will be back to that level.
Is Teddy the primary back up?
Yes, he's the #2 behind Keenum for Sunday. Sloter will be deactivated.Who's talking about whether he comes back to his former level or not? I mean, nobody knows. You said he wouldn't be active and then said if he was, he wouldn't play: he's going to do both. I agree that it remains to be seen how he performs.
I don't know where you have been but there have been people pumping for Teddy to start since he came back of the PUP list. Can blame a Viking fan for being doubtful can ya?
I think it's a big deal that the odds of Teddy coming back to play at his former level are not that good. I think we are all being set up for a big let down. I'm not too eager to be let down.
Teddy has already exceeded my expectations, but I'm not holding out hope that he will be any better than he was before. It's an amazing story so far.
Ok, so some fans want Teddy to start. So what? Maybe he should be starting. Who knows? Its unknown territory, but physically he's back all the way. That's the starting point. How will he perform? Not sure. This team has let down their fans forever, lol. Its nothing new. I think the reason some fans are excited is because this offensive line is by far the best that Teddy will have ever operated behind. And a backup QB is playing well with them. Its not far-fetched to think its possible TB might look pretty good with this group.If you dont' want to be let down, its fine. I get the 'show me' part of this before I buy in' attitude. Trust me, I do.
@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"PapaScott" said: Here's the article. http://zonecoverage.com/2017/vikings/vikings-features/seehafer-on-zach-miller-teddy-bridgewater-and-dislocated-knees/ It’s been estimated that approximately 19 percent of players who suffered a lower-velocity knee dislocation — often lacking neurovascular compromise — returned to their prior level of sport.If a player is able to return to their prior level of play, they are at an increased risk of significant knee injuries — both acute and chronic — and have a 50 percent increased risk of developing osteoarthritis.
As for Bridgewater, who could come off the physically unable to perform list within the next few weeks, the research serves as a cautionary tale. Anybody with a heart and who is a fan of football is pulling for him to return to action and succeed, but getting back on the field, although it would be a major triumph, is only the beginning. He will forever have an elevated risk for suffering another knee injury, not only in his involved knee but also his uninvolved.It’s imperative that the Vikings and Bridgewater continue to be cautious with his return, putting him back under center only when he and his knee are truly ready, whether that be this season or next.
Bridgewater did not experience any arterial or nerve damage, according to the Vikings.
where does it say artery or nerve damage? I never said that.
This was a rare and Very significant knee injury and a non-contact injury at that.
yes.... but after the dislocation was dealt with (immediately) it essentially was a bunch of torn ligs and cartilage... like many other knee injuries. if he had suffered the nerve and arterial damage it would have been much less likely for him to return and would have been a bigger deal, but fortunately he didnt have those issues to overcome so i am saying it wasnt nearly as bad as you want to think it was.
whatever. I'm not making up the significance of the injury or wanting to think it was worse. Teddy is lucky it was not worse, but since it was not worse does not limit the significance of the injury nor the complications from the injury and further probability of future setbacks to the injury or future injury to the non effected knee as described in the article. what Teddy escaped was leg amputation there is no overcoming that to play football. How can you just blow the injury off, his knee dislocated dropping back to pass with no contact. Knee dislocations are rare.
i didnt blow anything off... you are getting nuts with your dooms day outlook based on a dire worst case scenario of an injury when Teddy (luckily) wasnt nearly as injured due to immediate medical attention. its a fortunate situation for Teddy and the team, but after the initial scare... the reality is that he had a few torn ligaments and some other damage to clean up which isnt all that uncommon in many non dislocated knee injuries. his future prognosis is likely not much worse than any other athlete that has had multiple torn ligs and similar damage. again... his leg did not fall off.
What if Case has a bad game? It very well could happen like he did against Pit and at home against the Lions. Would Teddy be ready to play in the 3rd quarter? Sounds like Zim thinks he'd be ready to go. I don't want Case to play crappy, but having Teddy there may cause Zim to attach a leash to Case. That leash could very well get shorter and shorter as Teddy gets more comfortable with the offense.
I'd fully support Zim if he decided to start Teddy, actually.
Come on Jimmy, you call me out for exaggerating him not playing for 2 years. which in reality is a full season of play plus 8 games (regular season) if you want to count preseason and training camp that fine, but not really an exaggeration on my part. Now you think I'm going nuts? and a dooms day outlook? The worse case scenario would have been for him to lose the leg, but hey he didn't so it's no big deal, just a regular injury. Players didn't not puke, he was never in danger of losing the leg, it's just like any other injury. I'm being "railed" on for doubting that he will be activated and return to play and being asked on what basis I'm coming up with my doubt and I'm responding to that. Teddy has exceeded my doubt.
@"PapaScott" said: Come on Jimmy, you call me out for exaggerating him not playing for 2 years. which in reality is a full season of play plus 8 games (regular season) if you want to count preseason and training camp that fine, but not really an exaggeration on my part. Now you think I'm going nuts? and a dooms day outlook? The worse case scenario would have been for him to lose the leg, but hey he didn't so it's no big deal, just a regular injury. Players didn't not puke, he was never in danger of losing the leg, it's just like any other injury. I'm being "railed" on for doubting that he will be activated and return to play and being asked on what basis I'm coming up with my doubt and I'm responding to that. Teddy has exceeded my doubt.you win....have a nice day Scott.
Simple, we just need a couple of blow out victories, so we can get Teddy ready! Play him & get him some live reps... B)
@"Kentis" said: Simple, we just need a couple of blow out victories, so we can get Teddy ready! Play him & get him some live reps... B)That would be great, but got me thinking when was the last time we pulled a QB ...because he was doing great ?
@"Maple Surple" said:first you remind me the last time we had a qb do "great"?@"Kentis" said: Simple, we just need a couple of blow out victories, so we can get Teddy ready! Play him & get him some live reps... B) That would be great, but got me thinking when was the last time we pulled a QB ...because he was doing great ?
@"JimmyinSD" said:Game 1 this season... ;)@"Maple Surple" said:first you remind me the last time we had a qb do "great"?@"Kentis" said: Simple, we just need a couple of blow out victories, so we can get Teddy ready! Play him & get him some live reps... B) That would be great, but got me thinking when was the last time we pulled a QB ...because he was doing great ?
@"Kentis" said:well its a good thing they didnt pull him early or we really wouldnt have gotten our 18 million dollars worth...@"JimmyinSD" said:Game 1 this season... ;)@"Maple Surple" said:first you remind me the last time we had a qb do "great"?@"Kentis" said: Simple, we just need a couple of blow out victories, so we can get Teddy ready! Play him & get him some live reps... B) That would be great, but got me thinking when was the last time we pulled a QB ...because he was doing great ?
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