Schefter: It's Wentz

Bullazin wrote:

Lets be honest, either Murray won the job or JJ lost it. Its not a conspiracy.

Doesn’t say much for our talent evaluation process does it 🙃

pattersaur wrote:

Doesn’t say much for our talent evaluation process does it 🙃

Or the talent at the position

Bullazin wrote:

Lets be honest, either Murray won the job or JJ lost it. Its not a conspiracy.

I would go along with JJM lost the job, but based on what we have seen ( and previously heard from camp reports) it wasnt necessarily that he lost it because of anything on the field. I would say that JJM likely pissed KOC off....maybe it was something from last year, anyway JJM likely got surly when murray got brought in, and got louder when murray was handed the job even though he wasnt performing well. I dont see how anybody can look at what JJM has done in a month in the Giants system and 3 years in the league, then look at what murray has done in 7 years in the league and a full offseason, and then conclude that there ever really was a competition. IMO this was about KOC being pissed off and letting his emotions make decisions instead of performance.

JimmyinSD wrote:

I would go along with JJM lost the job, but based on what we have seen ( and previously heard from camp reports) it wasnt necessarily that he lost it because of anything on the field. I would say that JJM likely pissed KOC off....maybe it was something from last year, anyway JJM likely got surly when murray got brought in, and got louder when murray was handed the job even though he wasnt performing well. I dont see how anybody can look at what JJM has done in a month in the Giants system and 3 years in the league, then look at what murray has done in 7 years in the league and a full offseason, and then conclude that there ever really was a competition. IMO this was about KOC being pissed off and letting his emotions make decisions instead of performance.

I think this is the most likely scenario, we are fans but not idiots and can see that McCarthy has upside still in the tank. Starter? I’m not sure about that.

I think JJ tanked it by some off the field or locker room issue that KOC and Teasley saw as detrimental to the team

pattersaur wrote:

Doesn’t say much for our talent evaluation process does it 🙃

Yeah, Teasley put his stamp on this mf’er thats for sure.

I'll lump this JJM saga right under the same umbrella with Adofo-Mensah as far as history of the franchise goes..

It’s been a roller coaster across 4 seasons that's taken its toll on fans, interspersed with a couple good regular season records.

The biggest sin of this era was letting Sammie walk. And I supported it at the time too.

Only time will tell if trading 9 for a 5th will become a bitter pill to swallow or a Tums type of relief.

Wentz is likely going to make the offense run again tonight. Will he remain the starter? Hard to say. But I fear it might lead to the next bad decision in a series of really bad decisions (Kirk, Sam, Daniel, JJ). In week 18, are we going to be confident in Wentz as a playoff QB? Or are we going to wonder what the offense might have looked like at this point if we had simply been patient with Kyler Murray?

I've always wondered what might have been if the '98 Vikings had gone back to Brad Johnson. Or if Favre didn't waste that year with the Jets.

MaroonBells wrote:

Wentz is likely going to make the offense run again tonight. Will he remain the starter? Hard to say. But I fear it might lead to the next bad decision in a series of really bad decisions (Kirk, Sam, Daniel, JJ). In week 18, are we going to be confident in Wentz as a playoff QB? Or are we going to wonder what the offense might have looked like at this point if we had simply been patient with Kyler Murray?
I've always wondered what might have been if the '98 Vikings had gone back to Brad Johnson. Or if Favre didn't waste that year with the Jets.

Hard for me to say until I see more of Wentz this year. I suspect they'll keep him in if he gets a hot hand.

Otherwise, back to K1 at some point and its going to be that kinda year

MaroonBells wrote:

Wentz is likely going to make the offense run again tonight. Will he remain the starter? Hard to say. But I fear it might lead to the next bad decision in a series of really bad decisions (Kirk, Sam, Daniel, JJ). In week 18, are we going to be confident in Wentz as a playoff QB? Or are we going to wonder what the offense might have looked like at this point if we had simply been patient with Kyler Murray?
I've always wondered what might have been if the '98 Vikings had gone back to Brad Johnson. Or if Favre didn't waste that year with the Jets.

Oooh, Yes to Brad taking that job back. Didn't have Cunningham's arm, but his ability to read a defense was so much more. Sucks he was hurt on a non-play.

As to Kyler, I think they were patient with him. Very patient.

Bullazin wrote:

I think this is the most likely scenario, we are fans but not idiots and can see that McCarthy has upside still in the tank. Starter? I’m not sure about that.
I think JJ tanked it by some off the field or locker room issue that KOC and Teasley saw as detrimental to the team

Based on the "QB competition " and how it went down, I think JJMs fate was sealed before Teasley hit town. There was a point about s year ago where KOCs pressers showed a significant decline in enthusiasm for his young QB. I think the lack of maturity wore on him. A WR or RB, you get away with being a kid until you are 25, or in Michael Irvins case...60+, if the talent is there, a QB that has struggled to stay on the field, not so much. I know many dismissed JJMs boneheaded actions at times as a kid being a kid having fun playing the game, but this isn't a playground, these are companies worth billions and the real truth is the right QB runs the franchise and most franchises will do anything for that right QB

greediron wrote:

Oooh, Yes to Brad taking that job back. Didn't have Cunningham's arm, but his ability to read a defense was so much more. Sucks he was hurt on a non-play.

As to Kyler, I think they were patient with him. Very patient.

For all we know, the Vikings will put Murray back in when he’s healthy and this will be a moot point. But if they don’t, they weren’t patient enough. 

You gotta give a guy 8 games, half a season in a new offense, especially a guy that talented. I keep thinking of Trevor Lawrence’s 2022. For 8 games in Doug Pederson’s new offense, Lawrence was horrible, worse than Kyler’s been. The last 9 games he played out of his mind. 15 TDs, 2 INTs. And remember, Cousins did say he didn’t feel comfortable in this offense until week 8. I don't know what they're going to do; I just know what I would do.

MaroonBells wrote:

For all we know, the Vikings will put Murray back in when he’s healthy and this will be a moot point. But if they don’t, they weren’t patient enough. 
You gotta give a guy 8 games, half a season in a new offense, especially a guy that talented. I keep thinking of Trevor Lawrence’s 2022. For 8 games in Doug Pederson’s new offense, Lawrence was horrible, worse than Kyler’s been. The last 9 games he played out of his mind. 15 TDs, 2 INTs. And remember, Cousins did say he didn’t feel comfortable in this offense until week 8. I don't know what they're going to do; I just know what I would do.

Trevor Lawrence wasn't being paid millions not to play for his team. Murray is toast, AZ saw it, many others saw it. His athleticism cant cover up for his lack of preparation and lack of vision anymore. I admire your optimism, but reality is starting to craft a counter position with more viability than yours that is based on aged evidence.