Looming QB Decision just got a little more urgent today

my sentiments exactly,  this team is good, and we need to make sure that we have the best players on the field at every position.

IMO win or lose we need to find out if Teddy can be Teddy again,  our draft depends on it.  Case is a nice back up/fill in for a game or two guy,  but he isnt taking this team any where.  Teddy is a starter and if either he or Sam are ready after the bye then they have to be in there unless Case can really step it up and play more like he did against tampa and less like we have seen in his other outings.

@"TBro" said: With the news from Jay Glazier today that Bradford's injury makes it likely he won't be ready again for the foreseeable future and it could possibly be career ending, and the division race opening up with Rodgers likely out for the rest of the year, I think we need to push all of our QB chips to the center of the table if Teddy is Ready. I have been one of the loudest advocates of not rushing Teddy back, and not burning the final year of his contract. After Keenum's up and down performance today and the division well within our grasp with the way Detroit and Chicago are playing, I have changed my tune. If Teddy looks good during his 3 weeks of evaluation, I say we activate him so he is ready to play after the bye week. I still give the start to Case, but we need an experienced backup and a contingency plan for the playoff push if Case regresses back to his old ways like he usually does.  

Now we just need to avoid further injuries.

Case is an acceptable option with the defense we have and the new oline.

A solid backup.

If Teddy looks good in practice I'm sure they'll activated...ok, 95% sure if Sam is still hobbled.

OTOH, Sam may be ready to play in another week for all we know? If he comes back and gets hot again, the situation pivots. 

Very fluid situation...Vikings need to let it all play out and be patient. 

Teddy hasn't played in an NFL game in a year and a half.  He hasn't played a pre-season game.  To anoint him the starter, just coming off the PUP list is foolish, especially since Case has been playing at a high level.  To activate him, however, put him on the roster and keep him in the fold, is just smart.  There's a difference.

@"Montana Tom" said: Teddy hasn't played in an NFL game in a year and a half.  He hasn't played a pre-season game.  To anoint him the starter, just coming off the PUP list is foolish, especially since Case has been playing at a high level.  To activate him, however, put him on the roster and keep him in the fold, is just smart.  There's a difference.

I don't think anybody is calling for Teddy to start next week.  But he should be ready for a shot with 3 to 4 weeks of practice.  It's not like he has been sitting in a lazy boy for 14 months.  If his knee is good and he practices well,  then put him in there once he's had good reps with the starters.

Him or Sam,  we will need more from the QB position,  entirely to much pressure on the defense if we dont.

21 months since Teddy layed regular season real football. If he comes off PUP this week they have 3 weeks to evaluate him before bringing him to active roster. That makes it 22 months.
I think its going to take more than that to get him in a game. If things are going along well and the Vikings are winning the division would you upset the chemistry of the team and bring him in around week 12 or 13 just because you think he might be ready?
It might derail a good thing they have going on.

He played a live game at the end of August last year, 14 months-no need to be dramatic.  Oh and he didn't almost lose his leg and his leg didn't fall off and nobody has said exactly what damage there was in the knee.  I hope he gets cleared to practice tomorrow and he comes in and looks ready.  Then let him ride the pine until he is needed, he'll probably be ready before Sam.

@"TBro" said: With the news from Jay Glazier today that Bradford's injury makes it likely he won't be ready again for the foreseeable future and it could possibly be career ending, and the division race opening up with Rodgers likely out for the rest of the year, I think we need to push all of our QB chips to the center of the table if Teddy is Ready. I have been one of the loudest advocates of not rushing Teddy back, and not burning the final year of his contract. After Keenum's up and down performance today and the division well within our grasp with the way Detroit and Chicago are playing, I have changed my tune. If Teddy looks good during his 3 weeks of evaluation, I say we activate him so he is ready to play after the bye week. I still give the start to Case, but we need an experienced backup and a contingency plan for the playoff push if Case regresses back to his old ways like he usually does.  

@"Riphawkins" said: 21 months since Teddy layed regular season real football. If he comes off PUP this week they have 3 weeks to evaluate him before bringing him to active roster. That makes it 22 months. I think its going to take more than that to get him in a game. If things are going along well and the Vikings are winning the division would you upset the chemistry of the team and bring him in around week 12 or 13 just because you think he might be ready? It might derail a good thing they have going on.

@"Riphawkins" said: 21 months since Teddy layed regular season real football. If he comes off PUP this week they have 3 weeks to evaluate him before bringing him to active roster. That makes it 22 months. I think its going to take more than that to get him in a game. If things are going along well and the Vikings are winning the division would you upset the chemistry of the team and bring him in around week 12 or 13 just because you think he might be ready? It might derail a good thing they have going on.

Don't forget Sam missed as much or more time with his back to back ACL's

@"NodakViking" said:

@"TBro" said: With the news from Jay Glazier today that Bradford's injury makes it likely he won't be ready again for the foreseeable future and it could possibly be career ending, and the division race opening up with Rodgers likely out for the rest of the year, I think we need to push all of our QB chips to the center of the table if Teddy is Ready. I have been one of the loudest advocates of not rushing Teddy back, and not burning the final year of his contract. After Keenum's up and down performance today and the division well within our grasp with the way Detroit and Chicago are playing, I have changed my tune. If Teddy looks good during his 3 weeks of evaluation, I say we activate him so he is ready to play after the bye week. I still give the start to Case, but we need an experienced backup and a contingency plan for the playoff push if Case regresses back to his old ways like he usually does.  

I think we have to give Case the same benefit of doubt with all the excuses Sam had about crappy teams he played on.  But I agree if Teddy is 100% and looking back to himself activate him to back up Case until needed to either rally or take over due to injury.  All signs/info points to Teddy by ready sooner rather than later.  Nice pocket ace to have....

Now we just need to avoid further injuries.

A lot will be determined by Sam's status. 
 If he does have a career ending injury then you HAVE TO find if Teddy is still  capable of playing and is your franchise QB before next spring.
If Sam's injury is something is not going prevent him from playing in the NFL then the Vikings are facing the tough decisions at QB again.  Especially if Sam's injury is something that could keep reoccurring.

@"NodakViking" said:

@"TBro" said: With the news from Jay Glazier today that Bradford's injury makes it likely he won't be ready again for the foreseeable future and it could possibly be career ending, and the division race opening up with Rodgers likely out for the rest of the year, I think we need to push all of our QB chips to the center of the table if Teddy is Ready. I have been one of the loudest advocates of not rushing Teddy back, and not burning the final year of his contract. After Keenum's up and down performance today and the division well within our grasp with the way Detroit and Chicago are playing, I have changed my tune. If Teddy looks good during his 3 weeks of evaluation, I say we activate him so he is ready to play after the bye week. I still give the start to Case, but we need an experienced backup and a contingency plan for the playoff push if Case regresses back to his old ways like he usually does.  

I think we have to give Case the same benefit of doubt with all the excuses Sam had about crappy teams he played on.  But I agree if Teddy is 100% and looking back to himself activate him to back up Case until needed to either rally or take over due to injury.  All signs/info points to Teddy by ready sooner rather than later.  Nice pocket ace to have....

Now we just need to avoid further injuries.

Keenum is playing decent ball.  He certainly has the passion.  I see no reason to throw Teddy out there to replace Keenum at this point.  The real question is about Sam and did we use a 1st and 4th for 16 games on him?

Case is playing 500 ball consistently over the last 3
years.  He’s playing well enough that you
don’t put in a subpar option and hope they play better but he’s not good enough
to not have any competition.

I think you let Case play until Bridgewater or Bradford make
a compelling argument that they are better than him in practice.  Both Bridgewater and Bradford, when healthy,
are clearly a level above Case, but are they right now?  I doubt it. 
Bridgewater is likely very rusty and needs some live practice to build
some confidence in his knee and Bradford looked like a cripple the last time we
saw him out there.  If Keenum gets
injured, put in Bridgewater and see what happens otherwise make him earn the
start.

Okay, Teddy is a great person but lets not forget that we still had a lot of "hope" going into last season that he was going to continue to improve.  I get a feeling that some are remembering his play as elite level.  In reality Case hasn't played any more poorly than Teddy.  In fact, he currently has a better QBR and rating than Teddy's '15 season and his projected totals for yards, tds and ints are better. 

What I'm saying is that we have no proof that Teddy would be doing much better than Case is had the injury never happened or that he can coming back from it.  Sam came in cold last season and put up numbers last season considerably better than Teddy's.  The team was 31st in passing ypg and passing touchdowns in '15... so I believe there were still questions whether or not he was the guy.  Those questions should be greater now.   

@"CLOBIMON" said: Okay, Teddy is a great person but lets not forget that we still had a lot of "hope" going into last season that he was going to continue to improve.  I get a feeling that some are remembering his play as elite level.  In reality Case hasn't played any more poorly than Teddy.  In fact, he currently has a better QBR and rating than Teddy's '15 season and his projected totals for yards, tds and ints are better. 

What I'm saying is that we have no proof that Teddy would be doing much better than Case is had the injury never happened or that he can coming back from it.  Sam came in cold last season and put up numbers last season considerably better than Teddy's.  The team was 31st in passing ypg and passing touchdowns in '15... so I believe there were still questions whether or not he was the guy.  Those questions should be greater now.   

And he's playing behind a better Line than Teddy ever has with a far more polished set of Receivers.

I'm not automatically assuming Teddy will come back and look better. I am positive that Keenum is not good enough to take this team passed the 1st Round of the Playoffs. A truly healthy Teddy might be, though.

@"medaille" said: Case is playing 500 ball consistently over the last 3 years.  He’s playing well enough that you don’t put in a subpar option and hope they play better but he’s not good enough to not have any competition.

 

I think you let Case play until Bridgewater or Bradford make
a compelling argument that they are better than him in practice.  Both Bridgewater and Bradford, when healthy,
are clearly a level above Case, but are they right now?  I doubt it. 
Bridgewater is likely very rusty and needs some live practice to build
some confidence in his knee and Bradford looked like a cripple the last time we
saw him out there.  If Keenum gets
injured, put in Bridgewater and see what happens otherwise make him earn the
start.

But I do think Teddy would beat out Keenum after a few weeks of practice or at least I hope he would.  Keenum has won some games for us but he looks every bit the part of a good backup.  We will need Sam or Teddy back if we want to do anything in the playoffs - IMO.  Keenum made some really bad throws yesterday and we were fortunate the Pack's dropped a few.  He also is missing open WR's which is typical of a backup but with more starts I am not seeing an uptick in awareness/reads etc...  I am thrilled with where we are at and don't want to be negative but Keenum is not a long-term answer and by long term I mean even for this season if we expect a playoff birth and run.