Thank you Jet, Case & Dirty Harry...
Lived to fight another game...
Scrappy outing by the team. I had us beating Detroit and losing @ Chicago, but what do I know?
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Amen. It was a nail biter but nicely done with the finish. Another monkey off their backs.
My game MVPs, in that order. Case did ignite the team, but McKinnon made some big time plays.
It was an ugly game, but we always seem to play poorly at Chicago for some reason. Bradford definitely did not look right out there and thankfully, Keenum came in and played solid ball. We missed on some deep chances, but it seemed like Chicago was keeping their safeties back forcing the Vikings to attack more short to mid range today. As much as McKinnon frustrates me, he stepped up and had a big game, though he was lucky to have fumbled out of bounds on the kick return. The defense played fairly well. Waynes was picked on early, Sendejo was the victim of a bad bounce, and at some point Priefer needs to be held accountable.
Hopefully, the passing game regardless of who is starting next week can get back on track. Things are definitely tougher without Cook, but they shouldn't drop off that much.
Jet looked the part...I have a feeling that if we got Murray more carries he'd get in a groove...go with the hot hand...definitely better running attack than last year's shit show...
I'm going to be the party pooper re McKinnon. Yes, I loved the 58-yard TD, but the Bears defense was out of place (and I also thought McKinnon was going to slow up and get tackled at the 5!) Take that run away and he was getting short gains and no gains, 2.7ypc. The OL and the playcalling have some blame, no doubt. He is a good backup, but no more.
@"BarrNone55" said: Jet looked the part...I have a feeling that if we got Murray more carries he'd get in a groove...go with the hot hand...definitely better running attack than last year's shit show...
This is what I'd like to see happen. Murray isn't Dalvin but I like his overall skill set better than McKinnon's. Plus....McKinnon makes me nervous with some of the chances he takes, especially on kickoffs. He got that 1 kick return TD in the preseason and suddenly he thinks he's CP. He's NOT CP.
AND btw...yes, we do miss CP around here, if for no other reason than having an extra scoring opportunity for a team that annually battles injuries and dinged up offensive players (Diggs, Rudolph).
@"prairieghost" said:@"BarrNone55" said: Jet looked the part...I have a feeling that if we got Murray more carries he'd get in a groove...go with the hot hand...definitely better running attack than last year's shit show...This is what I'd like to see happen. Murray isn't Dalvin but I like his overall skill set better than McKinnon's. Plus....McKinnon makes me nervous with some of the chances he takes, especially on kickoffs. He got that 1 kick return TD in the preseason and suddenly he thinks he's CP. He's NOT CP.
AND btw...yes, we do miss CP around here, if for no other reason than having an extra scoring opportunity for a team that annually battles injuries and dinged up offensive players (Diggs, Rudolph).I wasn't going to bring Patterson up, but...yeah...KRs are getting a little too exciting for the wrong reasons...for approximately what we are paying Wright we could have retained #84...
McKinnon needs to quit bringing the ball out. The risk isnt worth the reward, IMO far to often we are starting drives after KOs to far behind the 25. 1 TD return and a couple across the forty dont make up for many many drives starting inside the 20. The league is giving us the 25, fools for not taking it everytime. even if CP was here I would likely feel the same way, he was a little more apt to pop a bigger return, but he had his share of stinkers as well. I just like that sure thing in taking the touch back.
raise your hand if you didnt think McKinnon was going to get up after a few of those hits last night. ( my hand is raised) tough ass kid!
He got obliterated a couple times...might have to start calling him Timex...
@"BarrNone55" said: He got obliterated a couple times...might have to start calling him Timex...IMO he is being told to take it out. There's no way he is doing it and the coaches are ok with it. They'd have replaced him by now if that were the case.
I think it is actually worth the risk. He is going to make the 20 most times for sure. So what's the loss to the gamble? 5 yards? If you can't go 5 yards you can't go 75, so clearly the odds are better to try and get better field position.
I don't have the stats to back it up but it sure seems like everyone is taking it out of the end zone more often and actually I remember reading articles about how this would be the case when they changed the rules.
@"prairieghost" said:@"BarrNone55" said: Jet looked the part...I have a feeling that if we got Murray more carries he'd get in a groove...go with the hot hand...definitely better running attack than last year's shit show...This is what I'd like to see happen. Murray isn't Dalvin but I like his overall skill set better than McKinnon's. Plus....McKinnon makes me nervous with some of the chances he takes, especially on kickoffs. He got that 1 kick return TD in the preseason and suddenly he thinks he's CP. He's NOT CP.
AND btw...yes, we do miss CP around here, if for no other reason than having an extra scoring opportunity for a team that annually battles injuries and dinged up offensive players (Diggs, Rudolph).
Murray doesn't seem right yet. Would have loved to have him in there for the ground and pound against a weakened defense. But kudos to Case for getting up to the line and taking advantage of a defense that was confused and not set. Those plays were huge. 12 men on the field, Jet's TD, and a few others. Jet had some really good runs. (I know, take away all the long runs and he really sucked...)It wasn't pretty, but we were due to intercept those horrible throws by Tribisky. Couldn't believe Sendejo tipped that one up. Harry made up for it.
As a safety you cannot tip the ball up. I know it happens but that's like cardinal sin. I don't think that ball even gets caught sans tip.
@"Mike Olson" said:@"BarrNone55" said: He got obliterated a couple times...might have to start calling him Timex... IMO he is being told to take it out. There's no way he is doing it and the coaches are ok with it. They'd have replaced him by now if that were the case.I think it is actually worth the risk. He is going to make the 20 most times for sure. So what's the loss to the gamble? 5 yards? If you can't go 5 yards you can't go 75, so clearly the odds are better to try and get better field position.
I don't have the stats to back it up but it sure seems like everyone is taking it out of the end zone more often and actually I remember reading articles about how this would be the case when they changed the rules.
maybe not, but play calling changes the closer you get to your own goal line, and one false start or holding call and they are in their own goal post shadows. I will stick with it not being worth the risk, huge difference between starting at your own 15 vs your own 25 and McKinnon has had many more short of the 25 than he has had in excess of the 25. in a game of field position... i will take the free 5 to 10 yards everyday. I dont even know if the Vikes starting field position after kick off is over the 20 with the touch backs factored in. He has failed to make the 20 quite a few times IIRC.
Thought I heard that there have been 0 kick return touchdowns this year. IMO, kneel it an get the free 45. Jet has value on offense and taking a shot and losing him will hurt the team. And the chance of a fumble or other injury... Just take the knee unless it is a short kick.
@"greediron" said: Thought I heard that there have been 0 kick return touchdowns this year. IMO, kneel it an get the free 45. Jet has value on offense and taking a shot and losing him will hurt the team. And the chance of a fumble or other injury... Just take the knee unless it is a short kick.
they said that last night, that will change, but IMO the odds are much greater for something bad to happen than something good. just take the risk out of the play... its free yards.
@"BsuZagVike" said:@"Mike Olson" said: As a safety you cannot tip the ball up. I know it happens but that's like cardinal sin. I don't think that ball even gets caught sans tip. You mean like he did last week to get Harrison the interception? They call it a tip drill for a reason. It was a good play by Sendejo, usually the defense gets the tips.@"Mike Olson" said:
As a safety you cannot tip the ball up. I know it happens but that's like cardinal sin. I don't think that ball even gets caught sans tip.
You mean like he did a couple weeks ago to get Harrison the interception? They call it a tip drill for a reason. It was a good play by Sendejo, usually the defense gets the tips.
@"BsuZagVike" said:@"BsuZagVike" said:@"Mike Olson" said: As a safety you cannot tip the ball up. I know it happens but that's like cardinal sin. I don't think that ball even gets caught sans tip. You mean like he did last week to get Harrison the interception? They call it a tip drill for a reason. It was a good play by Sendejo, usually the defense gets the tips.@"Mike Olson" said:
As a safety you cannot tip the ball up. I know it happens but that's like cardinal sin. I don't think that ball even gets caught sans tip.
You mean like he did a couple weeks ago to get Harrison the interception? They call it a tip drill for a reason. It was a good play by Sendejo, usually the defense gets the tips.
when you are the deep S, you hit it down if you can. ( no point in tipping it up in the air if you dont have anybody playing behind you.)in dejos case he just didnt have the reach, he wasnt trying to hit it up or down, it was all he could do to get his fingers on the ball.
@"JimmyinSD" said:when you are the deep S, you hit it down if you can. ( no point in tipping it up in the air if you dont have anybody playing behind you.)
in dejos case he just didnt have the reach, he wasnt trying to hit it up or down, it was all he could do to get his fingers on the ball.
I agree he was just trying to deflect it any way he could. However, if you watch the replay both Rhodes and Smith were right there so if the ball was tipped just a little differently it could have been a pick.
@"BsuZagVike" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:when you are the deep S, you hit it down if you can. ( no point in tipping it up in the air if you dont have anybody playing behind you.)
in dejos case he just didnt have the reach, he wasnt trying to hit it up or down, it was all he could do to get his fingers on the ball.
I agree he was just trying to deflect it any way he could. However, if you watch the replay both Rhodes and Smith were right there so if the ball was tipped just a little differently it could have been a pick.
the only player behind him was a bear in the endzone, the right play was to bat it down. put it this way... odds are greater that if you tip it up that a player standing right there makes a play vs a couple guys that were in the "vicinity". in the endzone you bat it down every time. recievers on a hail mary will try and tip it up if they cant catch it clean, but defenders should knock it down to avoid exaclty what we saw last night. ( he couldnt have if he would have wanted to though.)
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