Bradford looks completely disinterested out there...

@"Neptizzle" said: i put this in another, but seems more apporpriate here: do we IR sleeves to keep keenum and sloter after GB to activate Teddy? cant have 4 qbs? with sleeves already saying this may plague him through the season, at least through the bye, and with what he showed last night, why deal with it?

And thank the lord next year is a good QB draft class - and we have a #1 pick again. 

@"Neptizzle" said: i put this in another, but seems more apporpriate here: do we IR sleeves to keep keenum and sloter after GB to activate Teddy? cant have 4 qbs? with sleeves already saying this may plague him through the season, at least through the bye, and with what he showed last night, why deal with it?

we get 3 full weeks at least

@"Neptizzle" said: we get 3 full weeks at least

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

Why does everyone think this was Zimmer's decision to start him?  Everything that has been said to date is that this a pain tolerance issue for Bradford...  no one knows how much pain/discomfort Bradford has but himself.  It seems more likely this was Bradford's decision to play...  we can argue about whether Zimmer should have pulled him earlier in the game, but I don't think for a second that Bradford was forced to start by the coaching staff.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

Why does everyone think this was Zimmer's decision to start him?  Everything that has been said to date is that this a pain tolerance issue for Bradford...  no one knows how much pain/discomfort Bradford has but himself.  It seems more likely this was Bradford's decision to play...  we can argue about whether Zimmer should have pulled him earlier in the game, but I don't think for a second that Bradford was forced to start by the coaching staff.

@"JimmyinSD" said: Wow....  the guy has a painful injury,  tries to give it a go and gets ripped for his effort.  Sam is the better QB when healthy and is a tough competitor,  the defense was holding its own so what was the harm in playing him as long as he did?

Maybe he wasn't ready bit maybe he thought he could deal with it...maybe whatever he took for the pain had a negative affect on his head...we don't know what went down,  all we know was that we won on the road in Chicago.

Ugly win,  but any road win against a divisional foe is a good win.

LOL...  I appreciate his "toughness" trying to give it a go, but he shouldn't have been out there.  That was obvious from the opening drive.  Sailing passes over his WRs head...  falling down from a little bit of pressure...  if the pain was that bad, he should have been honest with the coaching staff.  The goal is to WIN, not try to be a tough guy and hold back the team if you are too hurt to play.

As much as I know Sam has better arm talent than Case, I see the team rallying around Case whenever he's out there which to my eye is keeping us in games, especially shitty ones like last night. He's probably one of the top backups in the league. We are LUCKY to have him. I may be completely off with this prediction, but I think Teddy is going to be playing for us yet this season and Keenum will be our guy until then. It's just a feeling I have, may turn out I'm completely wrong.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Wow....  the guy has a painful injury,  tries to give it a go and gets ripped for his effort.  Sam is the better QB when healthy and is a tough competitor,  the defense was holding its own so what was the harm in playing him as long as he did?

Maybe he wasn't ready bit maybe he thought he could deal with it...maybe whatever he took for the pain had a negative affect on his head...we don't know what went down,  all we know was that we won on the road in Chicago.

Ugly win,  but any road win against a divisional foe is a good win.

LOL...  I appreciate his "toughness" trying to give it a go, but he shouldn't have been out there.  That was obvious from the opening drive.  Sailing passes over his WRs head...  falling down from a little bit of pressure...  if the pain was that bad, he should have been honest with the coaching staff.  The goal is to WIN, not try to be a tough guy and hold back the team if you are too hurt to play.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

Why does everyone think this was Zimmer's decision to start him?  Everything that has been said to date is that this a pain tolerance issue for Bradford...  no one knows how much pain/discomfort Bradford has but himself.  It seems more likely this was Bradford's decision to play...  we can argue about whether Zimmer should have pulled him earlier in the game, but I don't think for a second that Bradford was forced to start by the coaching staff.

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

Why does everyone think this was Zimmer's decision to start him?  Everything that has been said to date is that this a pain tolerance issue for Bradford...  no one knows how much pain/discomfort Bradford has but himself.  It seems more likely this was Bradford's decision to play...  we can argue about whether Zimmer should have pulled him earlier in the game, but I don't think for a second that Bradford was forced to start by the coaching staff.

Because Zimmer has a history of shaming injured players (Sharrif Floyd, Josh Robinson). Even the fact that Zimmer tells the press, "It's about pain tolerance", is a form of applying pressure to Bradford.  

I'm sure it was technically Sam's choice - but given what we saw, it should NOT have been an option. Injuries are not always just about pain tolerance; sometimes a body is damaged and should not be strained or exposed to further damage. There is no way Bradford looked solid in practice, and IMO he was doped on painkillers last night. 

A good coach would have said, "Sam, it's not your call, you need more time to be good for the long term," and made sure his team could defeat a lousy opponent without him.

@"prairieghost" said: As much as I know Sam has better arm talent than Case, I see the team rallying around Case whenever he's out there which to my eye is keeping us in games, especially shitty ones like last night. He's probably one of the top backups in the league. We are LUCKY to have him. I may be completely off with this prediction, but I think Teddy is going to be playing for us yet this season and Keenum will be our guy until then. It's just a feeling I have, may turn out I'm completely wrong.

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

@"Zanary" said:

@"prairieghost" said: As much as I know Sam has better arm talent than Case, I see the team rallying around Case whenever he's out there which to my eye is keeping us in games, especially shitty ones like last night. He's probably one of the top backups in the league. We are LUCKY to have him. I may be completely off with this prediction, but I think Teddy is going to be playing for us yet this season and Keenum will be our guy until then. It's just a feeling I have, may turn out I'm completely wrong.

I'm largely fine with Case, but he's had a couple of brutal games where he didn't have anyone "rallying" too long into poor performances.  I agree that we're very likely to see Teddy back under center soon, and we've seen how the team responds to him...I just hope that our downfield game doesn't recede with Teddy's re-emergence.

As far as Teddy goes he hasn't practiced with the team (or any team) in like 18 months. I don't think it's a given that we see him on the field soon at all. I'd likely wager the other way in that regard. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

Are you saying that fans stating the obvious should be shamed?  I mean, it was crystal clear from the first Vikings drive that something was off with Bradford.  Then it was abundantly clear after the first quarter that he couldn't be effective with his knee holding him back.  Why is everyone being so fucking sensitive about anything regarding Bradford? 
Personally, I think this team is MUCH better with a healthy Sam under center.  After last night, it doesn't look like he'll be playing until after the bye week at the earliest...  which sucks, because I don't see us as a playoff team if Case has to start the majority of the year.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said: Bradford should have never been out there. Wrong choice by the staff. He's not ready mentally and his knee probably isn't either. 

Why does everyone think this was Zimmer's decision to start him?  Everything that has been said to date is that this a pain tolerance issue for Bradford...  no one knows how much pain/discomfort Bradford has but himself.  It seems more likely this was Bradford's decision to play...  we can argue about whether Zimmer should have pulled him earlier in the game, but I don't think for a second that Bradford was forced to start by the coaching staff.

I think he went 1 series to long.  he could have been pulled earlier and I wouldnt have said much,  but IMO you have to give a guy a few series to find a groove and maybe that groove is enough to put discomfort out of your head.  Sam is in a prove it year and its only fair to give him as much rope as you can without hurting the team which IMO is what Zim did last night.

I don't blame Zimmer for starting him but do blame him for how long they stayed  with the obviously injured player.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

Are you saying that fans stating the obvious should be shamed?  I mean, it was crystal clear from the first Vikings drive that something was off with Bradford.  Then it was abundantly clear after the first quarter that he couldn't be effective with his knee holding him back.  Why is everyone being so fucking sensitive about anything regarding Bradford? 
Personally, I think this team is MUCH better with a healthy Sam under center.  After last night, it doesn't look like he'll be playing until after the bye week at the earliest...  which sucks, because I don't see us as a playoff team if Case has to start the majority of the year.