We gotta talk...Treadwell

Wright has 4 catches 39yds 1TD this year 
2016 he had 11 catches for 67 yds a1TD

Treadwell hs 5 catches for 42yds 0TD
2016 he had 1catch for 15 yards and 0TD??????? Is that true? 

@"twgerber" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: What has Treadwell shown? Jarius Wright has been way more productive in the same role. Honestly, its mostly irrelevant as soon as Floyd is back, Treadwell will be the #4 guy....but he really should be the #5 behind Wright. 

A 1st round draft pick that is, in essence, the #5 WR on a NFL team? Stupid bad.

How has Wright been more productive?

@"SFVikingFan" said:

@"twgerber" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The better question is: What has Treadwell shown? Jarius Wright has been way more productive in the same role. Honestly, its mostly irrelevant as soon as Floyd is back, Treadwell will be the #4 guy....but he really should be the #5 behind Wright. 

A 1st round draft pick that is, in essence, the #5 WR on a NFL team? Stupid bad.

How has Wright been more productive?

Well over the past two years, even while in the coaches' doghouse for whatever reason, Wright still has 2.5 times as many catches, for about twice the number of yards, and 2 TDs compared to 0 for Treadwell.

@"twgerber" said:

I don't believe Sticky was referring to last year at all.  How do they compare this year in catches, target, yards and snaps?

@"Mike Olson" said: Wright has 4 catches 39yds 1TD this year  2016 he had 11 catches for 67 yds a1TD

Treadwell hs 5 catches for 42yds 0TD
2016 he had 1catch for 15 yards and 0TD??????? Is that true? 

@"greediron" said:

@"twgerber" said:

I don't believe Sticky was referring to last year at all.  How do they compare this year in catches, target, yards and snaps?

@"Mike Olson" said: Wright has 4 catches 39yds 1TD this year  2016 he had 11 catches for 67 yds a1TD

Treadwell hs 5 catches for 42yds 0TD
2016 he had 1catch for 15 yards and 0TD??????? Is that true? 

@"twgerber" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"twgerber" said:

I don't believe Sticky was referring to last year at all.  How do they compare this year in catches, target, yards and snaps?

@"Mike Olson" said: Wright has 4 catches 39yds 1TD this year  2016 he had 11 catches for 67 yds a1TD

Treadwell hs 5 catches for 42yds 0TD
2016 he had 1catch for 15 yards and 0TD??????? Is that true? 

So I guess one can't say "Jarius Wright has been way more productive".

Also:
Wright - played 45 snaps this year so far
Treadwell - played 117 snaps this year so far

Probably cause Treadwell's skill set is larger?

"way more"???   Don't think so.   Wright plays only in certain situations where his limited skills work.   Far less flexible than Treadwell.  

Treadwell only has almost 3 times as many snaps so far this year than Wright. 'Limited skills' of Wright? What skills does Treadwell have? I haven't seen any....looking forward to that day, I just don't think its coming.

Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop?
what a waste...

@"Norse" said: Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop? what a waste...

50% of 1st Rounders bust. Should half the League skip the first round? 

If Treadwell busts this is still the FO.that picked the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs so far.

Personally, I liked the gamble. Tready crushed SEC competition. Had what I constantly referred to as that intangible' IT' factor.

So far it ain't translating. So what does Rick do about it? Double down with Floyd.

Doesn't sound like a move that a GM who won't admit to a potential bust would make.

Honestly, all the hamdwringimg makes me wonder if some folks around here would be happier as Browns fans.

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Norse" said: Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop? what a waste...

50% of 1st Rounders bust. Should half the League skip the first round? 

If Treadwell busts this is still the FO.that picked the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs so far.

Personally, I liked the gamble. Tready crushed SEC competition. Had what I constantly referred to as that intangible' IT' factor.

So far it ain't translating. So what does Rick do about it? Double down with Floyd.

Doesn't sound like a move that a GM who won't admit to a potential bust would make.

Honestly, all the hamdwringimg makes me wonder if some folks around here would be happier as Browns fans.

Just to add some gas to fire, guy on NFL Network this morning said that he's been hearing that the Vikings front office is "the envy of the league."

Apparently these idiots havent talked to a NJ viking fan about this front office. :devil:

Put me in the column liking Jarius.  He performs when thrown to.  

@"Norse" said:

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Norse" said: Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop? what a waste...

50% of 1st Rounders bust. Should half the League skip the first round? 

If Treadwell busts this is still the FO.that picked the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs so far.

Personally, I liked the gamble. Tready crushed SEC competition. Had what I constantly referred to as that intangible' IT' factor.

So far it ain't translating. So what does Rick do about it? Double down with Floyd.

Doesn't sound like a move that a GM who won't admit to a potential bust would make.

Honestly, all the hamdwringimg makes me wonder if some folks around here would be happier as Browns fans.

Just a waste for 3 years, then if they have a decent year they negotiate a big contract or else move on to another team. Unlike Diggs who we got production from in year 1.
Waynes is another example on the defensive side.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Norse" said:

Just a waste for 3 years, then if they have a decent year they negotiate a big contract or else move on to another team. Unlike Diggs who we got production from in year 1. Waynes is another example on the defensive side.

then by your definition Rhodes was a borderline bust as well?  he really struggled at times his first few years and had many wondering if he was going to ever turn his head around.

Same front office that drafted Diggs in the 5th round, brought-in and developed UDFA Theilan and just extended him to a affordable contract also drafted Treadwell in the first round.  Some first rounders never live up to the hype and only about 50% even become regular starters in the NFL.  A 5th rounder has a less then 10% chance of every becoming an everyday starting player.  Odds of a UDFA are 1%.

So we can all pick and choose data points and concentrate on only the hits or only the misses (which a poster is doing in year two of Treadwell - too early) but when you look at the GM's total job responsibilities which includes drafts, trades, free agents to resign, free agents to bring-in etc Spelly had done a very nice 5 year rebuild.  

@"minny65" said: Same front office that drafted Diggs in the 5th round, brought-in and developed UDFA Theilan and just extended him to a affordable contract also drafted Treadwell in the first round.  Some first rounders never live up to the hype and only about 50% even become regular starters in the NFL.  A 5th rounder has a less then 10% chance of every becoming an everyday starting player.  Odds of a UDFA are 1%.

So we can all pick and choose data points and concentrate on only the hits or only the misses (which a poster is doing in year two of Treadwell - too early) but when you look at the GM's total job responsibilities which includes drafts, trades, free agents to resign, free agents to bring-in etc Spelly had done a very nice 5 year rebuild.  

those that want to undermine Speilmans efforts forget that Childress had final say on personnel in his tenure here and Frazier wasnt his hire either.  Zimmer is really were we need to start measuring Spielmans track record IMO both on and off the field because he cant find talent if the coaches cant identify traits that they can work with within their preferred systems.   I remember an interview with Rick a few months after Zimmer got here and he said flat out that Zim was the first coach that was able to explain what they want in a football player for him to go find and draft/sign.

I have no problem with them having drafted Treadwell. But the guy is a bust so far. No denying it. He may turn it around. But if he doesn't I'd be upset if the team doesn't cut bait and move on. 

@"FSUVike" said:

@"Norse" said: Why does it take 3 years for all these first round picks to develop? what a waste...

50% of 1st Rounders bust. Should half the League skip the first round? 

If Treadwell busts this is still the FO.that picked the 2nd and 3rd ranked WRs so far.

Personally, I liked the gamble. Tready crushed SEC competition. Had what I constantly referred to as that intangible' IT' factor.

So far it ain't translating. So what does Rick do about it? Double down with Floyd.

Doesn't sound like a move that a GM who won't admit to a potential bust would make.

Honestly, all the hamdwringimg makes me wonder if some folks around here would be happier as Browns fans.

To me, the difference is that we've seen Diggs and Thielen develop into Harrison/Waynes. It's tough to see many reps with these two shredding secondaries. Teams have a hell of a time covering either one on one. They are coming into their own at the same time. Treadwell has seen some 3rd down stuff, but it would be tough to justify using him more just to use him. WR can take guys some time to "get" it. Guys with his size speed frame combo, need to get precise on routes and body position. This can be a big adjustment from the semi-playground ball seen in college.