The question now is: which team does Minnesota have the deal with?
It just makes too much sense that for the Vikings to grab another 1st round pick to move up, they've got a 'handshake deal' with another team. That's probably 100% true. But which one? Are they prepared to give up next year's #1 as well to get it done at #3? Or is this just to solidify the #4-#5 range with either Arizona or Los Angeles? JMO, but I think its for a specific player, not a couple players.
Just guesswork, but the more I think about it, the more I think its for the #3 spot and the plan is to give more comp than just this year's 2 first rounders. That is big compensation, but if you believe that a certain QB is THE dude.....I guess you plant your flag. I originally didn't think they'd move all the way to #3 and I'm still not completely sure about that.....but I'm starting to think that way. I just don't think an organization is ok with, 'sure...I'm fine with any of these 3 guys' after gathering comp to move up. Its for a singular person, IMO.
If way you say is correct, from what I hear it would be a deal with NE for Drake Maye.
i hope it’s not to assure the #4 or #5 spot and the Giants jump over us.
I understand NE being a trade target as they may want to follow the philosophy of first building up your team & then adding your QB. But if I'm the NE GM, I'm asking myself:
When am I going to be drafting high enough again that I have the opportunity to add a franchise QB?When will I have the opportunity to again draft a QB with the ceiling of Maye?If I pass on Maye in this draft, how much draft capital will it cost me to move up in another draft to take my franchise QB?
If I'm NE, I'm drafting Maye.
I agree, I do not think you are making an aggressive trade to get another 1st rounder unless you are trying to get into the top 3. At the combine we heard a lot of Kirk going to Atlanta and also the Vikes and NE talking about 3, I do not think NE is talking to anyone if they are sold on the QB who is likely to be at 3. They could possibly prefer one of the next 3.
My gut says the handshake deal is with Arizona at 4 for JJM with the terms already decided. 11 and 23 for 4. So why haven't they just done that yet?
Because I think they like both Maye and McCarthy, but like Maye just a little bit more. And so if Washington takes Daniels and Maye gets to #3, they may want to add whatever sweetener it takes to move one spot higher.
Just speculating here but does anyone think it's possible to have a handshake deal for #4 with the possibility of eventually trading it for #2 or #3 if Wash or NE doesn't want to fall so far back?
@"MaroonBells" said: My gut says the handshake deal is with Arizona at 4 for JJM with the terms already decided. 11 and 23 for 4. So why haven't they just done that yet?Because I think they like both Maye and McCarthy, but like Maye just a little bit more. And so if Washington takes Daniels and Maye gets to #3, they may want to add whatever sweetener it takes to move one spot higher.
I think we are on the same page
@"Knucklehead" said:If they don't have a top 5 pick again next year I'll be surprised. The 25 QB class doesn't look great, but that's really impossible to predict.I understand NE being a trade target as they may want to follow the philosophy of first building up your team & then adding your QB. But if I'm the NE GM, I'm asking myself: When am I going to be drafting high enough again that I have the opportunity to add a franchise QB?When will I have the opportunity to again draft a QB with the ceiling of Maye?If I pass on Maye in this draft, how much draft capital will it cost me to move up in another draft to take my franchise QB? If I'm NE, I'm drafting Maye.
I can see both sides of the argument. The other side says they can get a much needed franchise LT or WR at 11, Penix or Nix at 23, and have two first rounders next year to build around them....or Drake Maye on a lousy team.
@"DeepFreeze05" said: Just speculating here but does anyone think it's possible to have a handshake deal for #4 with the possibility of eventually trading it for #2 or #3 if Wash or NE doesn't want to fall so far back?
That's a good point and it's possible that's what they heard from both Washington and New England at the combine. Might be more expensive to make two deals instead of one tho.
Daniel Jeremiah says Drake Maye is absolutely still in play for the Commanders. @MoveTheSticks also believes the Patriots are definitely taking a QB at 3 and thinks Washington is more likely to listen to the Vikings in a draft trade than the Pats. @CBSSportsRadio pic.twitter.com/2iNdWRRk5i
— Zach Gelb (@ZachGelb) March 15, 2024
You're all a lot more convinced than me they have a "handshake deal" with anyone right now...That said, I think they knew that they needed more ammo than just the #11 spot to potentially move-up.
@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/ZachGelb/status/1768739251334610945?s=20That would be awesome and get us Daniels who I think is a franchise QB.
@"MaroonBells" said: https://twitter.com/ZachGelb/status/1768739251334610945?s=20It just sounds like it would take a LOT to move up into the top 3 picks (which we all already knew). You have 3 elite QB prospects and 3 very QB needy teams picking in those slots. There is just no way it's not Williams, Maye and Daniels in those slots (in whichever order).
So that leaves us all wondering, do you give up those picks to move up to 4th and take the fourth best quarterback, which would presumably be McCarthy, who DJ has as the 27th ranked prospect in this draft? I don't know, it's all just such a huge gamble and like I said, it would essentially be a one player draft for us on a roster that still has holes to fill. Would you rather move up to take McCarthy at #4 and that's it until the 4th round, or would we be better off taking one of the elite defensive prospects in this draft at #11 and going QB at #23 with Nix or Penix? I don't know what the right answer is, but we certainly acquired the Houston pick to give us some options and flexibility
the Cards and Chargers are most likely the trade target.
What they will like is - that if QBs go 1,2,3,4 is it slides the top talent of other positions down and makes their new picks just as desirable with their needs.
If the 1st 4 are QBs the other QBs are likely to go earlier than normal too.
Good year not to need a QB in the top 25 selections.
Maybe they trade with NE for the 3 spot, NE then trades the 11th pick to Chicago for Fields. NE gets a quarterback that is less of a gamble having been in the league for a few years instead of a crap shoot taking a guy that may or may not pan out.
@"Greylock" said: Maybe they trade with NE for the 3 spot, NE then trades the 11th pick to Chicago for Fields. NE gets a quarterback that is less of a gamble having been in the league for a few years instead of a crap shoot taking a guy that may or may not pan out.I don't see Fields going for any more than a second round pick and probably a conditional pick in 2025. If the Bears got a top 15 pick for him it would be highway robbery
@"Greylock" said: Maybe they trade with NE for the 3 spot, NE then trades the 11th pick to Chicago for Fields. NE gets a quarterback that is less of a gamble having been in the league for a few years instead of a crap shoot taking a guy that may or may not pan out.Fields for the 11th overall pick? Sorry, I don't see that happening.
@"Godhead" said: the Cards and Chargers are most likely the trade target. What they will like is - that if QBs go 1,2,3,4 is it slides the top talent of other positions down and makes their new picks just as desirable with their needs. If the 1st 4 are QBs the other QBs are likely to go earlier than normal too. Good year not to need a QB in the top 25 selections.I don’t think top 3 is for sale either.
My best guess is we have a tentative agreement to get to 5, and have also told Arizona not to trade 4 without giving us a chance to match.
If QBs go 1-3 and #4 gets traded to anyone but us that will be a kick in the stick, not gonna lie. Wherever the slot may be I think we need to leave this draft with the fourth QB taken or better.
@"pattersaur" said:@"Godhead" said: the Cards and Chargers are most likely the trade target. What they will like is - that if QBs go 1,2,3,4 is it slides the top talent of other positions down and makes their new picks just as desirable with their needs. If the 1st 4 are QBs the other QBs are likely to go earlier than normal too. Good year not to need a QB in the top 25 selections. I don’t think top 3 is for sale either.My best guess is we have a tentative agreement to get to 5, and have also told Arizona not to trade 4 without giving us a chance to match.
If QBs go 1-3 and #4 gets traded to anyone but us that will be a kick in the stick, not gonna lie. Wherever the slot may be I think we need to leave this draft with the fourth QB taken or better.
Depends on how they got em stacked...I dont think they look at it as they must get one of the top 4 - but (to paraphrase from @Marroonbells) they need to acquire whomever they have in their top tier.
For all we know they have Penix or Nix rated in that top tier? I personally would rather have Nix of the two, but there's a lot of chatter the Vikings like Penix.
I also dont think they acquired a 2nd #1 pick for Nix or Penix, but what do I know???
@"pattersaur" said:@"Godhead" said: the Cards and Chargers are most likely the trade target. What they will like is - that if QBs go 1,2,3,4 is it slides the top talent of other positions down and makes their new picks just as desirable with their needs. If the 1st 4 are QBs the other QBs are likely to go earlier than normal too. Good year not to need a QB in the top 25 selections. I don’t think top 3 is for sale either.My best guess is we have a tentative agreement to get to 5, and have also told Arizona not to trade 4 without giving us a chance to match.
If QBs go 1-3 and #4 gets traded to anyone but us that will be a kick in the stick, not gonna lie. Wherever the slot may be I think we need to leave this draft with the fourth QB taken or better.
If I am an GM, knowing what MN has and I want to jump then n your scenario, I call AZ, top the minny offer, and tell them it's off the table as soon as we are off the phone, I wouldn't give them a chance to get another offer from minny or other.
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"Godhead" said: the Cards and Chargers are most likely the trade target. What they will like is - that if QBs go 1,2,3,4 is it slides the top talent of other positions down and makes their new picks just as desirable with their needs. If the 1st 4 are QBs the other QBs are likely to go earlier than normal too. Good year not to need a QB in the top 25 selections. I don’t think top 3 is for sale either.My best guess is we have a tentative agreement to get to 5, and have also told Arizona not to trade 4 without giving us a chance to match.
If QBs go 1-3 and #4 gets traded to anyone but us that will be a kick in the stick, not gonna lie. Wherever the slot may be I think we need to leave this draft with the fourth QB taken or better.
If I am an GM, knowing what MN has and I want to jump then n your scenario, I call AZ, top the minny offer, and tell them it's off the table as soon as we are off the phone, I wouldn't give them a chance to get another offer from minny or other.
Yeah. And it’s why the longer this drags on, if we do intend to move up, the more precarious it could get. I’m not sure I fully buy the handshake thing.
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