I like what we're doing

@"minny65" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"Psyched Vike" said: I just hope that we do not give up the farm in order to move up to grab a qb.  If one falls to us at 11, great, if not, maybe look at someone later on, but everyone knows we are desperate to land one and the price tag to move up will probably be more for us than any other team, because the league perception, thanks to decision-making up to now, is that we are currently squarely bent over the barrel.

And how many other teams are in need of a qb? The Vikings aren't the only ones. Also it's not like was going to be a secret. It's a gamble to stay at 11 at this point. Sure it could be scary to move up but I would rather go all in than half ass it. We'll see how it plays out 

Kwesi needs to do his job and make some tough evaluations with the help of KOC with the QB draft.  They might deem 3,2,1 QB's as franchise altering, assuming Williams goes 1.  If it is 1 then we have to go all in to get them.  If it is 2 then we might only have to move up a little or play Russian roulette (which I would not want).  If it is 3 then we might trade down and still get our guy.  We all have no idea how they view or will view things internally.  

Let's assume Kwesi hits on the most important position.  We will have 5 years of a cheap rookie contract and maybe a decade of SB contending play.  It's a whole new direction, I think :)

But what if we pass on all the QB's and wait until next season.  That would sting for 2024 but if we extend JJ/Darrisaw and reload with FA's I would not hate that strategy.  I want to build a SB contending team and that takes careful planning and not forced decisions.  

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"Psyched Vike" said: I just hope that we do not give up the farm in order to move up to grab a qb.  If one falls to us at 11, great, if not, maybe look at someone later on, but everyone knows we are desperate to land one and the price tag to move up will probably be more for us than any other team, because the league perception, thanks to decision-making up to now, is that we are currently squarely bent over the barrel.

And how many other teams are in need of a qb? The Vikings aren't the only ones. Also it's not like was going to be a secret. It's a gamble to stay at 11 at this point. Sure it could be scary to move up but I would rather go all in than half ass it. We'll see how it plays out 

Kwesi needs to do his job and make some tough evaluations with the help of KOC with the QB draft.  They might deem 3,2,1 QB's as franchise altering, assuming Williams goes 1.  If it is 1 then we have to go all in to get them.  If it is 2 then we might only have to move up a little or play Russian roulette (which I would not want).  If it is 3 then we might trade down and still get our guy.  We all have no idea how they view or will view things internally.  

Let's assume Kwesi hits on the most important position.  We will have 5 years of a cheap rookie contract and maybe a decade of SB contending play.  It's a whole new direction, I think :)

But what if we pass on all the QB's and wait until next season.  That would sting for 2024 but if we extend JJ/Darrisaw and reload with FA's I would not hate that strategy.  I want to build a SB contending team and that takes careful planning and not forced decisions.  

This is exactly what RS and The Vikings tried to do in that 2015 era 

Young team, ascending, great D and Bridgewater on a Rook contract. 

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"Psyched Vike" said: I just hope that we do not give up the farm in order to move up to grab a qb.  If one falls to us at 11, great, if not, maybe look at someone later on, but everyone knows we are desperate to land one and the price tag to move up will probably be more for us than any other team, because the league perception, thanks to decision-making up to now, is that we are currently squarely bent over the barrel.

And how many other teams are in need of a qb? The Vikings aren't the only ones. Also it's not like was going to be a secret. It's a gamble to stay at 11 at this point. Sure it could be scary to move up but I would rather go all in than half ass it. We'll see how it plays out 

Kwesi needs to do his job and make some tough evaluations with the help of KOC with the QB draft.  They might deem 3,2,1 QB's as franchise altering, assuming Williams goes 1.  If it is 1 then we have to go all in to get them.  If it is 2 then we might only have to move up a little or play Russian roulette (which I would not want).  If it is 3 then we might trade down and still get our guy.  We all have no idea how they view or will view things internally.  

Let's assume Kwesi hits on the most important position.  We will have 5 years of a cheap rookie contract and maybe a decade of SB contending play.  It's a whole new direction, I think :)

But what if we pass on all the QB's and wait until next season.  That would sting for 2024 but if we extend JJ/Darrisaw and reload with FA's I would not hate that strategy.  I want to build a SB contending team and that takes careful planning and not forced decisions.  

This is exactly what RS and The Vikings tried to do in that 2015 era 

Young team, ascending, great D and Bridgewater on a Rook contract. 

Yes and we moved forward there too. They tried and it didn't work out but that doesn't mean you stop trying 

If you want to see yet another example of the benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract, look no further than Houston who hit on their QB last season & had enough cap room to sign Hunter.

If Williams, McCarthy, and Daniels are gone before we pick, I say screw it, trade back in the 1st, get a 3rd rd. and a 4th rd. pick back, and go BPA , and take Pratt in the 4th as our QBOTF. 

@"Knucklehead" said: If you want to see yet another example of the benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract, look no further than Houston who hit on their QB last season & had enough cap room to sign Hunter.

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"minny65" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"Psyched Vike" said: I just hope that we do not give up the farm in order to move up to grab a qb.  If one falls to us at 11, great, if not, maybe look at someone later on, but everyone knows we are desperate to land one and the price tag to move up will probably be more for us than any other team, because the league perception, thanks to decision-making up to now, is that we are currently squarely bent over the barrel.

And how many other teams are in need of a qb? The Vikings aren't the only ones. Also it's not like was going to be a secret. It's a gamble to stay at 11 at this point. Sure it could be scary to move up but I would rather go all in than half ass it. We'll see how it plays out 

Kwesi needs to do his job and make some tough evaluations with the help of KOC with the QB draft.  They might deem 3,2,1 QB's as franchise altering, assuming Williams goes 1.  If it is 1 then we have to go all in to get them.  If it is 2 then we might only have to move up a little or play Russian roulette (which I would not want).  If it is 3 then we might trade down and still get our guy.  We all have no idea how they view or will view things internally.  

Let's assume Kwesi hits on the most important position.  We will have 5 years of a cheap rookie contract and maybe a decade of SB contending play.  It's a whole new direction, I think :)

But what if we pass on all the QB's and wait until next season.  That would sting for 2024 but if we extend JJ/Darrisaw and reload with FA's I would not hate that strategy.  I want to build a SB contending team and that takes careful planning and not forced decisions.  

This is exactly what RS and The Vikings tried to do in that 2015 era 

Young team, ascending, great D and Bridgewater on a Rook contract. 

Yes and we moved forward there too. They tried and it didn't work out but that doesn't mean you stop trying 

@"mgobluevikes" said: If Williams, McCarthy, and Daniels are gone before we pick, I say screw it, trade back in the 1st, get a 3rd rd. and a 4th rd. pick back, and go BPA , and take Pratt in the 4th as our QBOTF. 

@"Montana Tom" sai I don't understand why you would say "screw it". It's a 6-deep QB class.  I keep saying Penix or Bo Nix will both be there at #11.  I like them both better than Campbell or Maye.  I promise whichever QB we don't take, Denver will be waiting at 12.  (They were also talking to Darnold BTW, and he accepted the Minnesota offer instead of the Broncos)

 Vikings are in a tough spot and vulnerable to having   at least 1 of the 4 teams behind them trading up to pick 8-10 to draft their QBOTF.

If McCarthy goes in Top 7, and a team  behind Vikings does indeed  leapfrog Vikings somewhere between 8-10. It'd mean the Vikings get the #6 option at QB with the 11th pick.....

Vikings will have to trade up if they want a QB IMO.

@"Mattyman" said:

@"Montana Tom" sai I don't understand why you would say "screw it". It's a 6-deep QB class.  I keep saying Penix or Bo Nix will both be there at #11.  I like them both better than Campbell or Maye.  I promise whichever QB we don't take, Denver will be waiting at 12.  (They were also talking to Darnold BTW, and he accepted the Minnesota offer instead of the Broncos)

7) Tennessee Titans 8) Atlanta Falcons 9) Chicago Bears 10) New York Jets 11) Minnesota Vikings 12) Denver Broncos 13) Las Vegas Raiders 14) New Orleans Saints 16) Seattle Seahawks

 Vikings are in a tough spot and vulnerable to having   at least 1 of the 4 teams behind them trading up to pick 8-10 to draft their QBOTF.

If McCarthy goes in Top 7, and a team  behind Vikings does indeed  leapfrog Vikings somewhere between 8-10. It'd mean the Vikings get the #6 option at QB with the 11th pick.....

Vikings will have to trade up if they want a QB IMO.

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

@"Montana Tom" sai I don't understand why you would say "screw it". It's a 6-deep QB class.  I keep saying Penix or Bo Nix will both be there at #11.  I like them both better than Campbell or Maye.  I promise whichever QB we don't take, Denver will be waiting at 12.  (They were also talking to Darnold BTW, and he accepted the Minnesota offer instead of the Broncos)

7) Tennessee Titans 8) Atlanta Falcons 9) Chicago Bears 10) New York Jets 11) Minnesota Vikings 12) Denver Broncos 13) Las Vegas Raiders 14) New Orleans Saints 16) Seattle Seahawks

 Vikings are in a tough spot and vulnerable to having   at least 1 of the 4 teams behind them trading up to pick 8-10 to draft their QBOTF.

If McCarthy goes in Top 7, and a team  behind Vikings does indeed  leapfrog Vikings somewhere between 8-10. It'd mean the Vikings get the #6 option at QB with the 11th pick.....

Vikings will have to trade up if they want a QB IMO.

There’s no doubt in my mind we have backed ourselves into the corner of having to move up to get a QB.  It’s just a matter of his much it’s going to cost to go get the one KOC wants. I’m guessing there aren’t more than 2 guys that fit the bill, so there’s no way they’re leaving this to chance or just see who falls to them. 

Kwesi has absolutely no choice other than to go get our QBOTF at any and all costs. Letting Cousins walk and having Darnold on a 1 year deal basically proves this. If they AT ALL had any faith or hope in Sam Darnold, they would have signed him to a longer deal. 

That being said, they better hope they get it right because it’s likely going to cost us multiple firsts. They blow this pick and they’re all fired because they’ll nuke this “competitive” window they’re trying to open. 

@"pattersaur" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If Minnesota can get a guy they really want in this Draft, yes.....its a plan where things are falling into place. 

Agreed. Big if.

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"StickyBun" said: If Minnesota can get a guy they really want in this Draft, yes.....its a plan where things are falling into place. 

Agreed. Big if.

It’s not a big if if they truly like the QBs outside the top 3. What if they feel like someone like Penix is their guy?

@"pattersaur" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

The man without a plan.  This image would've been better at the bottom of Kwesi's statement.

The thing is, this whole plan works if he’s able to land the QB. Clear out all the dead cap, get a cheap QB, load the roster around him. It’s a good plan but it hinges so heavily on the QB. Which we don’t have and may never.

It’s like KAM wrote the best movie script ever but without getting a star actor attached, it ain’t getting made. Ideally you’d have the star in hand before moving forward with everything else but for whatever reason the Vikes didn’t do that.

So now the table is set. The penthouse is ready. And we’re all sitting around waiting to see if the star QB (who didn’t RSVP and who we haven’t seen in 20 years) is gonna show up. 

I said in another thread- it’s a LOT of risk to take on at the most important position in sports. It could work or it could sink us for years. That’s reality. Let’s all hope it works and we land that elusive franchise QB we’ve all coveted for so long. I have hope. But it’s scary. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Knucklehead" said: If you want to see yet another example of the benefit of having a QB on a rookie contract, look no further than Houston who hit on their QB last season & had enough cap room to sign Hunter.

of course they had to let one of their own free agents walk though in the process.  IMO the sign of a rookie contract that is working is when you can have your cake and eat it too.  add to the talent you have,  not swapping talent for talent.

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

The man without a plan.  This image would've been better at the bottom of Kwesi's statement.

The thing is, this whole plan works if he’s able to land the QB. Clear out all the dead cap, get a cheap QB, load the roster around him. It’s a good plan but it hinges so heavily on the QB. Which we don’t have and may never.

It’s like KAM wrote the best movie script ever but without getting a star actor attached, it ain’t getting made. Ideally you’d have the star in hand before moving forward with everything else but for whatever reason the Vikes didn’t do that.

So now the table is set. The penthouse is ready. And we’re all sitting around waiting to see if the star QB (who didn’t RSVP and who we haven’t seen in 20 years) is gonna show up. 

I said in another thread- it’s a LOT of risk to take on at the most important position in sports. It could work or it could sink us for years. That’s reality. Let’s all hope it works and we land that elusive franchise QB we’ve all coveted for so long. I have hope. But it’s scary. 

if it doesnt work its hardly the death nell. You’ll just be back in a couple years. nut you also have to draft wisely which has been a concern. San Fran traded 3 firsts to move up for Lance not long ago. But they made hay in the draft. Same scenario with Philadelphia 

@"Waterboy" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Mattyman" said:

@"Montana Tom" sai I don't understand why you would say "screw it". It's a 6-deep QB class.  I keep saying Penix or Bo Nix will both be there at #11.  I like them both better than Campbell or Maye.  I promise whichever QB we don't take, Denver will be waiting at 12.  (They were also talking to Darnold BTW, and he accepted the Minnesota offer instead of the Broncos)

7) Tennessee Titans 8) Atlanta Falcons 9) Chicago Bears 10) New York Jets 11) Minnesota Vikings 12) Denver Broncos 13) Las Vegas Raiders 14) New Orleans Saints 16) Seattle Seahawks

 Vikings are in a tough spot and vulnerable to having   at least 1 of the 4 teams behind them trading up to pick 8-10 to draft their QBOTF.

If McCarthy goes in Top 7, and a team  behind Vikings does indeed  leapfrog Vikings somewhere between 8-10. It'd mean the Vikings get the #6 option at QB with the 11th pick.....

Vikings will have to trade up if they want a QB IMO.

There’s no doubt in my mind we have backed ourselves into the corner of having to move up to get a QB.  It’s just a matter of his much it’s going to cost to go get the one KOC wants. I’m guessing there aren’t more than 2 guys that fit the bill, so there’s no way they’re leaving this to chance or just see who falls to them. 

Kwesi has absolutely no choice other than to go get our QBOTF at any and all costs. Letting Cousins walk and having Darnold on a 1 year deal basically proves this. If they AT ALL had any faith or hope in Sam Darnold, they would have signed him to a longer deal. 

That being said, they better hope they get it right because it’s likely going to cost us multiple firsts. They blow this pick and they’re all fired because they’ll nuke this “competitive” window they’re trying to open. 

It’s hardly backing ourselves into a corner with 4-5 good qbs when we’re picking eleven.  Lol

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

The man without a plan.  This image would've been better at the bottom of Kwesi's statement.

The thing is, this whole plan works if he’s able to land the QB. Clear out all the dead cap, get a cheap QB, load the roster around him. It’s a good plan but it hinges so heavily on the QB. Which we don’t have and may never.

It’s like KAM wrote the best movie script ever but without getting a star actor attached, it ain’t getting made. Ideally you’d have the star in hand before moving forward with everything else but for whatever reason the Vikes didn’t do that.

So now the table is set. The penthouse is ready. And we’re all sitting around waiting to see if the star QB (who didn’t RSVP and who we haven’t seen in 20 years) is gonna show up. 

I said in another thread- it’s a LOT of risk to take on at the most important position in sports. It could work or it could sink us for years. That’s reality. Let’s all hope it works and we land that elusive franchise QB we’ve all coveted for so long. I have hope. But it’s scary. 

if it doesnt work its hardly the death nell. You’ll just be back in a couple years. nut you also have to draft wisely which has been a concern. San Fran traded 3 firsts to move up for Lance not long ago. But they made hay in the draft. Same scenario with Philadelphia 

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"Purplewhizz" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

@"HappyViking" said:

The man without a plan.  This image would've been better at the bottom of Kwesi's statement.

The thing is, this whole plan works if he’s able to land the QB. Clear out all the dead cap, get a cheap QB, load the roster around him. It’s a good plan but it hinges so heavily on the QB. Which we don’t have and may never.

It’s like KAM wrote the best movie script ever but without getting a star actor attached, it ain’t getting made. Ideally you’d have the star in hand before moving forward with everything else but for whatever reason the Vikes didn’t do that.

So now the table is set. The penthouse is ready. And we’re all sitting around waiting to see if the star QB (who didn’t RSVP and who we haven’t seen in 20 years) is gonna show up. 

I said in another thread- it’s a LOT of risk to take on at the most important position in sports. It could work or it could sink us for years. That’s reality. Let’s all hope it works and we land that elusive franchise QB we’ve all coveted for so long. I have hope. But it’s scary. 

if it doesnt work its hardly the death nell. You’ll just be back in a couple years. nut you also have to draft wisely which has been a concern. San Fran traded 3 firsts to move up for Lance not long ago. But they made hay in the draft. Same scenario with Philadelphia 

They’re supposedly opening new “competing window” for 2025. If they whiff on a QB this year, it closes unless they go find another free agent QB who they think can help us win a chip (like we did with Cousins). A mishanling like that will probably cost someone their job. 

@"Montana Tom" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: If Williams, McCarthy, and Daniels are gone before we pick, I say screw it, trade back in the 1st, get a 3rd rd. and a 4th rd. pick back, and go BPA , and take Pratt in the 4th as our QBOTF. 

I don't understand why you would say "screw it". It's a 6-deep QB class.  I keep saying Penix or Bo Nix will both be there at #11.  I like them both better than Campbell or Maye.  I promise whichever QB we don't take, Denver will be waiting at 12.  (They were also talking to Darnold BTW, and he accepted the Minnesota offer instead of the Broncos)