Would you give a 2nd rounder for Fields?

@"Skodin" said:

@"Norse" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

Jesus dude….we all get it. You hate Kirk, think he’s incompetent and is incapable of quarterbacking a Super Bowl winning team. I mean you’re dead wrong, but to each their own. 

You do realize THIS is the last year of Jefferson’s rookie contract. Essentially the Vikings have to hit on a pro bowl quarterback (Which will be much harder out of the second tier), and understand he’s that good by the trade deadline this year. Otherwise Jefferson could just decide to test the free agent waters, wait for a team to back up the Brinks truck, and tell us to kick rocks.

Also regardless of whether Kirk is on the team or not, the cap situation drastically improves In 2025. In fact we have so few players with guaranteed money on the cap that year, you could eat all of Kirks dead money that year and still have plenty of room to sign free agents.  

whether you want to admit it or not, it’s gonna be way easier to lock up Jefferson, long-term with Kirk quarterbacking a couple more years while we look for his eventual replacement.

… Or we could go your route, rip the Band-Aid off, start a dart throw of a quarterback. and Waste all the talent we have at wide receiver currently on this team. 

I like Cousins as a person!
But he is never taking us to a super bowl!
What has he accomplished for us...Nothing 
How many QB’s get 6 years to do nothing?

You say JJ needs Cousins. But Mullens a backup quaterback with a weak arm. was averaging more yards per game with JJ than Cousins.
Bridge QB for a 1/3 of the price can accomplish as much as Cousins. And we can help build the rest of the team with Cousins money.

Take it easy, he's only had a top 3 pair of WR every year he's been here, for most of his tenure a top 5 RB to go with it and for the first two years a top 10 defense.  What is the guy supposed to do?

Move on, build with a young guy who isn't as refined but also not as limited in growth and oh by the way add 2-3 more pieces to a defense that is on the way up

@"minny65" said:

Zach Wilson Could Fetch Late-Round Pick In A Trade

The New York Jets are expected to trade quarterback Zach Wilson in the coming weeks as they look to upgrade the backup quarterback position behind Aaron Rodgers. There's a "high probability" of that happening, general manager Joe Douglas recently said. The consensus among three personnel executives, one scout and two assistant coaches from other teams is that Wilson could bring back a sixth- or seventh-round pick from a team willing to take a chance on him as a backup due to his first-round draft pedigree. The Jets could also seek a 2025 conditional pick based on playing time, but they're also unlikely to "get the value they want" in a straight-up trade. Wilson was forced into starting duties in 2023 when Rodgers tore his Achilles in Week 1, but he regressed even more and was benched late in the year.

We have a 6th round pick not a 7th.  I would give up a 6th rounder for Wilson.  Maybe, stressing maybe, KOC can help him develop for a 6th round pick.  I would rather him as a backup then your Mannions, Dobbs etc...

So umm... bump. Lol.
I'm desperate here! Anyone but Darnold and Flacco!

his price is dropping by the day

and the answer is still fuck no!   why go after somebody elses failure, and in the process help bail out a division rival?

@"JimmyinSD" said: and the answer is still fuck no!   why go after somebody elses failure, and in the process help bail out a division rival?

We're out of good options at QB.  No matter what we do its going to be lipstick on a pig.  I honestly think we should roll with Mullens and either draft or sign one of these failed QBs.

No chance should we trade a 2nd to the bears.  Maybe a 6th or 7th rounder. But getting rid of their QB problem isn't our problem. Certainly not for a day 2 pick.

What's Case Keenum doing these days? .....(sorry)

Okay not a 2nd. What about a 4th?

I’m really not trying to die on the Fields hill but all of the options are bad right now.

If we want to compete at all in 2024 then Fields, draft DL in first or 2nd, and keep filling holes with FAs seems like the best shot that won’t cripple us longterm financially.

If we’re gonna suck in 2024 and everyone’s fine with that then yeah let’s just sign Darnold and be done with it. But I’m still hopeful for a better. As of this moment. That can change rapidly ha. 

@"pattersaur" said: Okay not a 2nd. What about a 4th?

I’m really not trying to die on the Fields hill but all of the options are bad right now.

If we want to compete at all in 2024 then Fields, draft DL in first or 2nd, and keep filling holes with FAs seems like the best shot that won’t cripple us longterm financially.

If we’re gonna suck in 2024 and everyone’s fine with that then yeah let’s just sign Darnold and be done with it. But I’m still hopeful for a better. As of this moment. That can change rapidly ha. 

I think the realistic bridge qb options are Brissett, Darnold, and Minshew.  Minshew has the best stats, he'd be choice #1, followed by Brisset.  Darnold is a sack of crap, I'd almost rather waste time and draft capital with Justin Fields, as bad as that would be.

@"JimmyinSD" said: and the answer is still fuck no!   why go after somebody elses failure, and in the process help bail out a division rival?

@"comet52" said: I think the realistic bridge qb options are Brissett, Darnold, and Minshew.  Minshew has the best stats, he'd be choice #1, followed by Brisset.  Darnold is a sack of crap, I'd almost rather waste time and draft capital with Justin Fields, as bad as that would be.

@"kmillard" said:

@"pattersaur" said: Okay not a 2nd. What about a 4th?

I’m really not trying to die on the Fields hill but all of the options are bad right now.

If we want to compete at all in 2024 then Fields, draft DL in first or 2nd, and keep filling holes with FAs seems like the best shot that won’t cripple us longterm financially.

If we’re gonna suck in 2024 and everyone’s fine with that then yeah let’s just sign Darnold and be done with it. But I’m still hopeful for a better. As of this moment. That can change rapidly ha. 

I could start getting on board for a 4th.

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: and the answer is still fuck no!   why go after somebody elses failure, and in the process help bail out a division rival?

you mean like Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: and the answer is still fuck no!   why go after somebody elses failure, and in the process help bail out a division rival?

you mean like Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson?

if they are free agents,  I dont give a shit,  I am just done with sending draft picks to other teams for reclamation projects with higher than most bust potential.   Maybe a conditional pick in 26 for Wilson or another young guy on a rookied deal based on if he is still on the roster by the 25 trade deadline,  otherwise,  nah.

Hide the wives, but I might be able to see what Z.Wilson could do with some coaching from KOC. Not sure if that is a match of skills to system though?

Oh god, how quickly I hit bottom. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Hide the wives, but I might be able to see what Z.Wilson could do with some coaching from KOC. Not sure if that is a match of skills to system though?

Oh god, how quickly I hit bottom. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Hide the wives, but I might be able to see what Z.Wilson could do with some coaching from KOC. Not sure if that is a match of skills to system though?

Oh god, how quickly I hit bottom. 

Zach Wilson would've been a good backup option to Cousins...and worth a day three draft pick. Since we now need the starter too, it's a whole different picture. 

Crazy thing is...  Atlanta, Pittsburgh, and Las Vegas were all predicted to be the top landing spots for Fields...  well Atlanta signed Cousins, Pittsburgh signed Wilson, and Las Vegas signed Minshew.

The Vikings might be the most likely trade partner for Fields now that all those other teams acquired veteran QBs.  Crazy.

If we're talking a 4th round pick or later, I'd see what he could do.  He's not a flat out bust like Zach Wilson, but I don't know if Fields is a strong enough passer to fit O'Connell's offense.  At this point, the Vikings need to be open-minded about the QB position for 2024.

@"Wetlander" said: Crazy thing is...  Atlanta, Pittsburgh, and Las Vegas were all predicted to be the top landing spots for Fields...  well Atlanta signed Cousins, Pittsburgh signed Wilson, and Las Vegas signed Minshew.

The Vikings might be the most likely trade partner for Fields now that all those other teams acquired veteran QBs.  Crazy.

If we're talking a 4th round pick or later, I'd see what he could do.  He's not a flat out bust like Zach Wilson, but I don't know if Fields is a strong enough passer to fit O'Connell's offense.  At this point, the Vikings need to be open-minded about the QB position for 2024.