Would you give a 2nd rounder for Fields?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

I have a growing hunch Fields is going to end-up in Vegas...

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

yes, I’m sure JJ and the boys will enjoy getting booed off the field by a “sell out crowd” while Minshew, Tannehill, or some other shit stain stinks up the field. The players will pray for people to stop giving a shit and quit showing up, which will be the case after mid-season. 

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

yes, I’m sure JJ and the boys will enjoy getting booed off the field by a “sell out crowd” while Minshew, Tannehill, or some other shit stain stinks up the field. The players will pray for people to stop giving a shit and quit showing up, which will be the case after mid-season. 

Minnesota fans still sell out the Wild games (NHL) and they have been middle of the road like the Vikings for years. And they suck this year. I dont think being .500 or 9-8 with Cousins or Minshew is going to make much difference in ticket sales having watched this market forever. There is still a waiting list for season tickets.

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

yes, I’m sure JJ and the boys will enjoy getting booed off the field by a “sell out crowd” while Minshew, Tannehill, or some other shit stain stinks up the field. The players will pray for people to stop giving a shit and quit showing up, which will be the case after mid-season. 

Minnesota fans still sell out the Wild games (NHL) and they have been middle of the road like the Vikings for years. And they suck this year. I dont think being .500 or 9-8 with Cousins or Minshew is going to make much difference in ticket sales having watched this market forever. There is still a waiting list for season tickets.

There is no way on Earth Minshew (or anyone else of his skill level) is getting more than 5-6 wins and there will be no illusion to anything but. 

Yes, there will be season ticket holders. But I guarantee those same ticket holders will be unloading tickets at face value or less if we trot out anything other than Kirk or a “Top 3” option at QB game 1. 

Anything short of that will absolutely signal to the fan base that the tank is on and the Vikings have no interest in competing in 2024. 

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

yes, I’m sure JJ and the boys will enjoy getting booed off the field by a “sell out crowd” while Minshew, Tannehill, or some other shit stain stinks up the field. The players will pray for people to stop giving a shit and quit showing up, which will be the case after mid-season. 

Minnesota fans still sell out the Wild games (NHL) and they have been middle of the road like the Vikings for years. And they suck this year. I dont think being .500 or 9-8 with Cousins or Minshew is going to make much difference in ticket sales having watched this market forever. There is still a waiting list for season tickets.

There is no way on Earth Minshew (or anyone else of his skill level) is getting more than 5-6 wins and there will be no illusion to anything but. 

Yes, there will be season ticket holders. But I guarantee those same ticket holders will be unloading tickets at face value or less if we trot out anything other than Kirk or a “Top 3” option at QB game 1. 

Anything short of that will absolutely signal to the fan base that the tank is on and the Vikings have no interest in competing in 2024. 

Well he had a 9-8 season with the colts just this past year so I think with the receiving weapons that the Vikings have it would not be a stretch at all. It's not just about 24, but what they can build for future seasons and competing at an upper level. 

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

Or you could end-up with a guy like Minshew and let a tier 2 rook QB marinate a for a season.

That'll have to be the case if Kirko leaves in March. 

That'll sell a lot of tickets. 

You think selling tickets is an issue, or even really much of a concern?  I haven't heard of the threat of a black out in years in MN.

well it’s been years since we’ve gone into a season starting a wet fart like Minshew at QB

Ok,  if you think its the promise of a better tomorrow is coming with resigning Cousins and that is going to sell tickets then there really is very little to say besides LOL.

Last time the Vikings didn't sell out was 1997,  plenty of less than promising outlooks to start the season and they still sold out the metronome for another 2 decades.  Meanwhile in 09, with Favre and one of the best teams to ever take the field for the Vikings there were 3 times the team was in danger of a blackout .  The previous season they damn near had a blacked out home playoff .game so I dont really see a correlation as evidenced by history.

 I am sure many of the fans just want to see the atmosphere and JJ running around. I know a few people in marketing department and ticket sales are not a worry I can tell you that.

yes, I’m sure JJ and the boys will enjoy getting booed off the field by a “sell out crowd” while Minshew, Tannehill, or some other shit stain stinks up the field. The players will pray for people to stop giving a shit and quit showing up, which will be the case after mid-season. 

Minnesota fans still sell out the Wild games (NHL) and they have been middle of the road like the Vikings for years. And they suck this year. I dont think being .500 or 9-8 with Cousins or Minshew is going to make much difference in ticket sales having watched this market forever. There is still a waiting list for season tickets.

There is no way on Earth Minshew (or anyone else of his skill level) is getting more than 5-6 wins and there will be no illusion to anything but. 

Yes, there will be season ticket holders. But I guarantee those same ticket holders will be unloading tickets at face value or less if we trot out anything other than Kirk or a “Top 3” option at QB game 1. 

Anything short of that will absolutely signal to the fan base that the tank is on and the Vikings have no interest in competing in 2024. 

Well he had a 9-8 season with the colts just this past year so I think with the receiving weapons that the Vikings have it would not be a stretch at all. It's not just about 24, but what they can build for future seasons and competing at an upper level. 

If you think fans are gonna be hyped for Minshew or Tannehill you’re out of your mind. Literally not one fan base in the NFL would be excited going into the season with either of them as their signal caller…NOT…..ONE. 

Do you know why? Because neither of them are remotely talented enough to give anyone a rational hope of competing for a Super Bowl. They exemplify a wasted season because at their absolute BEST they’re just good enough to keep us from a draft pick that could actually get us a real QBOTF

The only way a ”transition QB” works is if you’re DAMN sure the guy you got behind them is gonna be the future face of the franchise. The Vikings can’t afford to let Cousins walk and just pray one of the lower tier QBs magically pans out. 

or…. again…. completely blow it up and start from scratch. Leave no doubt in the fans minds that 24 will be a terrible year. But by your metrics, that won’t matter because there’s still a waiting list for season tickets

I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

THIS....holy crap...this is what I'm saying.  What about this is so difficult to comprehend!?!?!

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

That's fine if you're interested in watching/supporting a rebuilding team that has no chance of current success, but that's not going to be most fans.  I'm all for setting up for the future, but if you wanna see the team "rip off the bandaid" then I'd be all-in if I were you.  Dump Cousins, Trade Jefferson for as much as you can get, sign Hunter and Darrisaw as you're building from the lines out, and pray you find a championship caliber QB by the time Addison's contract comes up.  Otherwise when you swing and miss on this years second tier crop of QBs, you can also trade him before he becomes malcontent as well.  

Great receivers are absolutely pointless to shitty QBs.  I'm not saying we don't want decent ones, but great ones that command a huge salary are pointless without a good/great QB to get them the ball.  If you're all for getting on the shitty QB carousel, then we have no reason to pay/keep Jefferson (because after a few years of Minshew/Tannehill/project QBs, he WILL demand to be traded).

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

That's fine if you're interested in watching/supporting a rebuilding team that has no chance of current success, but that's not going to be most fans.  I'm all for setting up for the future, but if you wanna see the team "rip off the bandaid" then I'd be all-in if I were you.  Dump Cousins, Trade Jefferson for as much as you can get, sign Hunter and Darrisaw as you're building from the lines out, and pray you find a championship caliber QB by the time Addison's contract comes up.  Otherwise when you swing and miss on this years second tier crop of QBs, you can also trade him before he becomes malcontent as well.  

Great receivers are absolutely pointless to shitty QBs.  I'm not saying we don't want decent ones, but great ones that command a huge salary are pointless without a good/great QB to get them the ball.  If you're all for getting on the shitty QB carousel, then we have no reason to pay/keep Jefferson (because after a few years of Minshew/Tannehill/project QBs, he WILL demand to be traded).

thats not a very sound take,  great receivers, like JJ, are great because they are able to get separation and dont require a great QB to get them the ball ( bigger window,  less accuracy required )  they are great because they have to body control and hand eye coordination to make catches on passes that arent right on the money,  hell if you have a young QB or a lesser passer, then you absolutely want to have better receivers to help the kid develop. 

and as far as what the future holds... please, if you had a crystal ball you wouldnt be wasting you time on here.

hell you might as well watch reruns if you find mediocrity entertaining, Kirk has shown he can deliver that year in and year out.

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

That's fine if you're interested in watching/supporting a rebuilding team that has no chance of current success, but that's not going to be most fans.  I'm all for setting up for the future, but if you wanna see the team "rip off the bandaid" then I'd be all-in if I were you.  Dump Cousins, Trade Jefferson for as much as you can get, sign Hunter and Darrisaw as you're building from the lines out, and pray you find a championship caliber QB by the time Addison's contract comes up.  Otherwise when you swing and miss on this years second tier crop of QBs, you can also trade him before he becomes malcontent as well.  

Great receivers are absolutely pointless to shitty QBs.  I'm not saying we don't want decent ones, but great ones that command a huge salary are pointless without a good/great QB to get them the ball.  If you're all for getting on the shitty QB carousel, then we have no reason to pay/keep Jefferson (because after a few years of Minshew/Tannehill/project QBs, he WILL demand to be traded).

thats not a very sound take,  great receivers, like JJ, are great because they are able to get separation and dont require a great QB to get them the ball ( bigger window,  less accuracy required )  they are great because they have to body control and hand eye coordination to make catches on passes that arent right on the money,  hell if you have a young QB or a lesser passer, then you absolutely want to have better receivers to help the kid develop. 

and as far as what the future holds... please, if you had a crystal ball you wouldnt be wasting you time on here.

hell you might as well watch reruns if you find mediocrity entertaining, Kirk has shown he can deliver that year in and year out.

So, let me get this straight.....you want to devote $30 mil a year to a WR when we don't have a good QB to get him the ball?  Aren't you the one saying we have SO MANY holes to fix, that we can't allocate that kind of money to one player? That is a LOT of money to invest in a WR with no observable QB to possibly lead you anywhere.  All I'm saying is you can't have both uncertainty at the QB position and a Hall of Fame caliber WR for very long.  You either have to get EXTREMELY lucky and happen upon a championship caliber signal caller and figure it out within one season, or you kiss all of your skill position assets goodbye.  

In the NFL, if you don't have a good/great QB, you don't compete.  In the last 17 years there have been 2 "sub standard" QBs to even reach the Super Bowl, Nick Foles and Rex Grossman. 

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

That's fine if you're interested in watching/supporting a rebuilding team that has no chance of current success, but that's not going to be most fans.  I'm all for setting up for the future, but if you wanna see the team "rip off the bandaid" then I'd be all-in if I were you.  Dump Cousins, Trade Jefferson for as much as you can get, sign Hunter and Darrisaw as you're building from the lines out, and pray you find a championship caliber QB by the time Addison's contract comes up.  Otherwise when you swing and miss on this years second tier crop of QBs, you can also trade him before he becomes malcontent as well.  

Great receivers are absolutely pointless to shitty QBs.  I'm not saying we don't want decent ones, but great ones that command a huge salary are pointless without a good/great QB to get them the ball.  If you're all for getting on the shitty QB carousel, then we have no reason to pay/keep Jefferson (because after a few years of Minshew/Tannehill/project QBs, he WILL demand to be traded).

thats not a very sound take,  great receivers, like JJ, are great because they are able to get separation and dont require a great QB to get them the ball ( bigger window,  less accuracy required )  they are great because they have to body control and hand eye coordination to make catches on passes that arent right on the money,  hell if you have a young QB or a lesser passer, then you absolutely want to have better receivers to help the kid develop. 

and as far as what the future holds... please, if you had a crystal ball you wouldnt be wasting you time on here.

hell you might as well watch reruns if you find mediocrity entertaining, Kirk has shown he can deliver that year in and year out.

So, let me get this straight.....you want to devote $30 mil a year to a WR when we don't have a good QB to get him the ball?  Aren't you the one saying we have SO MANY holes to fix, that we can't allocate that kind of money to one player? That is a LOT of money to invest in a WR with no observable QB to possibly lead you anywhere.  All I'm saying is you can't have both uncertainty at the QB position and a Hall of Fame caliber WR for very long.  You either have to get EXTREMELY lucky and happen upon a championship caliber signal caller and figure it out within one season, or you kiss all of your skill position assets goodbye.  

In the NFL, if you don't have a good/great QB, you don't compete.  In the last 17 years there have been 2 "sub standard" QBs to even reach the Super Bowl, Nick Foles and Rex Grossman. 

@"pattersaur" said: I posted in another thread about Fields shortly before you made this one. My answer is yes.

Of the people saying hell no, what if- hypothetically- Kirk is gone. Signs somewhere else, retires, whatever. He’s out. Does that change your answer?

My first move would be trying to trade up for Maye or Daniels but now let’s say that’s not an option either (Very likely).

That leaves us with Russell Wilson, a dude off the scrap heap, or Mccarthy/Nix/Penix as starter for next season.

Frankly Fields sounds a heckuva lot safer to me than any of those guys. The one thing that would give me pause on Fields isn’t him, it’s actually us. We have weapons but can KO tailor his offense to a QB like Fields? 3 months ago I’d have said definitely but after how this season went now I’m not as certain. 

I like McCarthy a lot and will be happy if the Vikings draft him. But most of what this franchise has done for the past 20 years tells me they won’t start a rookie at QB Week 1. The Vikings will choose the safer option almost every time. So I think Fields is very much in play for us if Chicago will do it. He’s a fun player. 

I won't pretend to know which of the college bois will be available, with or without trades, because that's for scouting departments and the kinds of obsessors that have already submitted their 30th mock draft...of 2024.

All that said, Fields would not go anywhere without some sort of deal, and that means investing in a top-level athlete that shows bottom-rung decision-making and maybe could be described as a worst case Josh Allen.

Yes, he can run, has a big arm, and can have some inspired play, even inspired games...but he's either got to make a seriies of HUGE mental strides and/or show to still be coachable despite Chicago incompetence. I don't believe he's fixable.

I am not sure wins and losses are that important in a given seasons if there is a recognizable plan to construct a SB level team.  If fans can see feasible progress towards the goal, they will attend games.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"CFIAvike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: I'm not sure if the real question is will they sell tix or not.

 I think the question is more of who the hell is going to get excited about a team qb'd by a gordon minshew or a washed-up Wilson?

 Not me - I went to maybe 1 home game after Cousins left the building. That kind of fan malaise will eventually have an impact. 
 

I would be more interested in seeing what our O would look like with a revamped interior OL and a couple of Dlinemen that can stuff the run as well as push the pocket on pass plays.  We have plenty of tape on what our team looks like the way it has been built for the last 6 years,  good enough but not good enough.  We are not 1 QB away as was thought to be the case when they signed Cousins,  infact I would say we are further from the elite in the NFC now than we were then given the weaknesses on both sides of the ball.  not sure how much more proof people need than the last 6 years of futility. 

think about it we were one game away from the superbowl,  the consensus among most fans was it was the QB that was holding us back and Cousins would bridge that gap... since then 1 damn playoff win in 6 years,  depleted roster,  and we are arguing over running that back with a guy coming back from a lower body injury that will leave him less mobile (if thats even possible),  another year older,  and typing up what will end up being a very large chunk of cap space either this year,  or for the next several years once again,  including once hes gone most likely.

Damn,  at what point do you just rip off that band aid?

That's fine if you're interested in watching/supporting a rebuilding team that has no chance of current success, but that's not going to be most fans.  I'm all for setting up for the future, but if you wanna see the team "rip off the bandaid" then I'd be all-in if I were you.  Dump Cousins, Trade Jefferson for as much as you can get, sign Hunter and Darrisaw as you're building from the lines out, and pray you find a championship caliber QB by the time Addison's contract comes up.  Otherwise when you swing and miss on this years second tier crop of QBs, you can also trade him before he becomes malcontent as well.  

Great receivers are absolutely pointless to shitty QBs.  I'm not saying we don't want decent ones, but great ones that command a huge salary are pointless without a good/great QB to get them the ball.  If you're all for getting on the shitty QB carousel, then we have no reason to pay/keep Jefferson (because after a few years of Minshew/Tannehill/project QBs, he WILL demand to be traded).

thats not a very sound take,  great receivers, like JJ, are great because they are able to get separation and dont require a great QB to get them the ball ( bigger window,  less accuracy required )  they are great because they have to body control and hand eye coordination to make catches on passes that arent right on the money,  hell if you have a young QB or a lesser passer, then you absolutely want to have better receivers to help the kid develop. 

and as far as what the future holds... please, if you had a crystal ball you wouldnt be wasting you time on here.

hell you might as well watch reruns if you find mediocrity entertaining, Kirk has shown he can deliver that year in and year out.

So, let me get this straight.....you want to devote $30 mil a year to a WR when we don't have a good QB to get him the ball?  Aren't you the one saying we have SO MANY holes to fix, that we can't allocate that kind of money to one player? That is a LOT of money to invest in a WR with no observable QB to possibly lead you anywhere.  All I'm saying is you can't have both uncertainty at the QB position and a Hall of Fame caliber WR for very long.  You either have to get EXTREMELY lucky and happen upon a championship caliber signal caller and figure it out within one season, or you kiss all of your skill position assets goodbye.  

In the NFL, if you don't have a good/great QB, you don't compete.  In the last 17 years there have been 2 "sub standard" QBs to even reach the Super Bowl, Nick Foles and Rex Grossman. 

he dont need a good QB to get him the ball,  he makes the QB look better than he is. ( see the buffalo catch 2 years ago )  Kirks money as well as Hitmans and getting rid of bad players should bring the roster up fairly quickly, especially if they dont trade away all their day 1 and 2 picks moving up for a blue chip and role the dice with a 2nd tier rookie who is about just as likely to turn out as the first 3.   If you miss on the QB this year,  you have JJ  on a decent deal since its still part of his rookie contract and you can trade him somewhere in a year or two if he truly wants out and use those resources to try again.    or just do it your way... mediocrity for 2 more years of Kirk, little to no improvements made due to continued cap issues,  and oh yeah,  when he does finally walk away,  you have more dead cap rolling onto that next year,  just like this year so you wont be able to afford shit then either.

that date with the russian roullette revolver is coming soon regardless,  Kirk is not likely going to be better coming back from injury and another year older, odds are probably just as good as hitting on that rookie QB,  but either way the team will be needing a new face at the position within the near future,  delaying that offers very little upside.