Vikings now with an 83% chance to make playoffs

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

Yes, Dobbs can run. But let's not pretend he's anywhere near the QB that KC is. Or that the team will be better off with Dobbs in the playoffs than they would've been with Cousins. That's a narrative I thought we'd start to see creep in as we stack a few dubs together, but it's utterly nutso. 

I think it’s obvious, but we’re not at steady state with
Dobbs yet.  He hasn’t had enough time to
have a full grasp on things.  KOC hasn’t
fully built an offense around him yet.  Our
weapons have been limited due to injuries. 
Defenses haven’t really put together the puzzle on how to defend our
offense with Dobbs as the QB, and we really haven’t faced strong competition
yet.  I think we would have equally as
easily won against the Falcons and Saints with Cousins at QB as we did with
Dobbs.  The downside of Dobbs has been
braindead turnovers, and while he’s been good with the ball, maybe those
downsides show up when the game is tougher and more pressure is put on
him. 

The question on Dobbs vs Cousins, I think has to be framed
in terms of performance per dollar.  I
think if you can get Dobbs for $20M and Cousins is asking $35M, you do Dobbs
every single time.  If Dobbs and Cousins
cost the same, then the question is a lot tougher to answer.  That said, I think a QB that is pass first
but with dangerous athleticism, and is a competent QB through the air stresses defenses
in a way that a pure pocket QB cannot and that multiplicity has a lot of value.  The outstanding question is why Dobbs has
floated from team to team.  If you
combine strong intellect with great physical traits, why has he failed to catch
on and keep a roster spot?  I don’t think
the “Other teams are dumb” argument is really that compelling.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

I've been saying for several years that his lack of mobility is what is holding back our O and making our OL look worse than they are,  hope I'm right,  not sure how much more crow I can stomach,  the taste definitely doesn't grow on a person.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

Yes, Dobbs can run. But let's not pretend he's anywhere near the QB that KC is. Or that the team will be better off with Dobbs in the playoffs than they would've been with Cousins. That's a narrative I thought we'd start to see creep in as we stack a few dubs together, but it's utterly nutso. 

Don't disagree with this take, either. I actually lean toward this much more, but like I said: a part of me agrees with what jimmy said as well. Dobbs certainly has us all spinning a bit, some more than others. Food for thought. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

I've been saying for several years that his lack of mobility is what is holding back our O and making our OL look worse than they are,  hope I'm right,  not sure how much more crow I can stomach,  the taste definitely doesn't grow on a person.

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

I've been saying for several years that his lack of mobility is what is holding back our O and making our OL look worse than they are,  hope I'm right,  not sure how much more crow I can stomach,  the taste definitely doesn't grow on a person.

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I think that margin breadth could change greatly over the next couple months.  If KOC can continue to scheme the mobility into the game,  and Dobbs can make enough plays with his arm to keep JJ, KJ, TJ, and Addison involved,  the offense changes in a way that even Cousins superior arm talent likely cant equal.  And like others have said,  what can an extra 15 million a year do for KOCs roster overall,  yes he is an offensive guy,  but he is still the HC and has to be able to identify areas of need and recognize what that cap space could mean going forward.  

A few bad games by Dobbs could certainly reverse course,  but IMO the ship is currently sailing away from Kirk Cousins returning in 24.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

I've been saying for several years that his lack of mobility is what is holding back our O and making our OL look worse than they are,  hope I'm right,  not sure how much more crow I can stomach,  the taste definitely doesn't grow on a person.

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I think that margin breadth could change greatly over the next couple months.  If KOC can continue to scheme the mobility into the game,  and Dobbs can make enough plays with his arm to keep JJ, KJ, TJ, and Addison involved,  the offense changes in a way that even Cousins superior arm talent likely cant equal.  And like others have said,  what can an extra 15 million a year do for KOCs roster overall,  yes he is an offensive guy,  but he is still the HC and has to be able to identify areas of need and recognize what that cap space could mean going forward.  

A few bad games by Dobbs could certainly reverse course,  but IMO the ship is currently sailing away from Kirk Cousins returning in 24.

Lots of good points being made both ways on this. Good stuff.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

Fans would still be excited with wins and Kirko Chainz has new fan equity the last year or so under KOC. But some younger fans like their style points and the Passtronaut is delivering that in spades more than Cousins ever could or would. As you mention, the unpredictability of Dobbs could leave everyone cold at some point. Cousins is a known, highly productive quantity. 

How many more sacks would Cousins have taken the last couple weeks often resulting in stalled drives,  vs how many more passes would he have completed to keep the chains moving?  I dont know but I feel the added mobility to the QB spot is a bigger asset than a better arm down field.  It will take a few more weeks before its worth trying ro compare any drive and game stats to get a feeling of what suits KOCs offense better,  but the more I see with Dobbs,  the more I tend ro think KCs run here is likely over., unless we see a 180 turn around with 3 and outs,  sacks and turnovers,   the O staying on the field is what most fans want to see.   Time will tell though. 

Part of me agrees hard with this. You might turn out to be right. Its shocking after getting so used to Cousins being a statue to watching Dobbs. 

I've been saying for several years that his lack of mobility is what is holding back our O and making our OL look worse than they are,  hope I'm right,  not sure how much more crow I can stomach,  the taste definitely doesn't grow on a person.

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I think that margin breadth could change greatly over the next couple months.  If KOC can continue to scheme the mobility into the game,  and Dobbs can make enough plays with his arm to keep JJ, KJ, TJ, and Addison involved,  the offense changes in a way that even Cousins superior arm talent likely cant equal.  And like others have said,  what can an extra 15 million a year do for KOCs roster overall,  yes he is an offensive guy,  but he is still the HC and has to be able to identify areas of need and recognize what that cap space could mean going forward.  

A few bad games by Dobbs could certainly reverse course,  but IMO the ship is currently sailing away from Kirk Cousins returning in 24.

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: "All of a sudden, Minnesota owns a two-game grip on the NFC’s final wild-card spot. And when you remember that Justin Jefferson has missed most of this improbable win streak, it’s easy to get excited about this story. Worry about the future later; what’s happening with Josh Dobbs and everyone else is simply too fun."  -FoxSports.com

Would the excitement level be the same if Cousins was still the QB?  Or is the added element of mobility from the QB spot to the offense the spark that has rejuvenated the fans?  

Most fans predicted a winning record through this streak of games ( not perfection,  but winning )  but I dont think many saw the possibility of making a real run until Dobbs started running.

I do think there would be a buzz about the team if Cousins
was the QB through this run, but I think it’s less about the running and more
about the improbability of winning and the newness of things.  When guy comes in cold and wins you two games
without really knowing the offense, there’s some air of magic about that, and
while Cousins play is probably fairly predictable, this is new and somewhat
unpredictable.

@"StickyBun" said:

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

@"medaille" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I don’t think that’s a given at all.  We didn’t extend him yet.  We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal.  I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy.  I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.

I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin.  Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year.  The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot.  If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.

I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?

@"kmillard" said: I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?

@"medaille" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I don’t think that’s a given at all.  We didn’t extend him yet.  We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal.  I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy.  I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.

I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin.  Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year.  The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot.  If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set. 

I don’t think that’s a given at all.  We didn’t extend him yet.  We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal.  I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy.  I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.

I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin.  Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year.  The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot.  If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.

I see no scenario where Cousins "competes" with Dobbs. But I can see a scenario where Dobbs continues playing well through the playoffs and the Vikings decide that he can be our bridge QB. And a much cheaper one at that. 

Problem is that all these decisions have to be made long before the draft. Considering that the Vikings can't know they're going to land a QB in the draft, I doubt they'd feel comfortable handing the '24 Vikings over to Josh Dobbs and Jaren Hall.

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