Do you want Kirk Cousins to return in 2024?

I think it depends on 2 things, health and cost.

@"Greylock" said: I think it depends on 2 things, health and cost.

and term of contract.

A lot will depend on how the next man up theory plays out for us, but Finding a good professional QB is not just a matter of draft position or potential. Sure, hitting on a draft pick takes a lot of research and some luck (sorry Andrew).....Takes experience, film study, reading defenses, stepping up when needed, impeccable timing, getting the ball out quickly, sometimes taking the sack and not doing something stupid with the ball, gotta have some moxie, someone who inspires the best in others through their work ethic, who elevates the players around them. Thats Cousins.  We brought him here for a reason, gotta roll with him if healthy IMO

First of all, yes. We have nothing else. I also dont want to start a rookie QB, Day 1 Game 1 right out of the gate. But why would Cousins sign for anything less than 2 years? I dont want him for two years, the Vikings have to look toward the future. 

2024? Absolutely.

I think 2 years might be just about right, I might twitch at 3. I want the clear successor learning behind him, and being steeped in the system.

Kirk was absolutely among the "elite" in most categories (minus rushing, go figure) when he got hurt, and had shown what he could do as the blocking finally got dependable.

Health, contract, etc all play parts...but we've seen QBs play very well older than he is, and he was arguably heading for his best games yet.

If Kwesi/KOC decide we can get by with another QB, Kirks 40 million a year would help improve the team in other areas.
kirk had his 6 years to try and get us to a Super Bowl. 

I absolutely want him back. 2 or 3 years is fine with me. A one year deal really just puts the Vikings in the same boat they’ve been in for the last few. Which is trying to get a deal done before the season starts.

Depending on how Hall plays, they should also be looking at a QBOTF. If someone is there in first round, draft him. At this point in his career, Cousins has to know the end is in sight and there will need to be a successor in place. I don’t think he bitches like Aaron when the Packers drafted Love.

@"Norse" said: If Kwesi/KOC decide we can get by with another QB, Kirks 40 million a year would help improve the team in other areas. kirk had his 6 years to try and get us to a Super Bowl. 

this is where I am,  I want Kirk as a Viking,  but for how long and for how much?  IMO keeping Kirk means letting Hunter walk, sure there is room for both, but not without strapping future seasons with a pile of debt on players that are in the twilight of their careers.  Yes this was a first for Kirk,  but he isnt going to be an ironman forever and this could very well be a sign of the wheels starting to come off.  If he would agree to a contract that pays him well if he is a healthy starter,  then its something to consider,  but if he loses that starter job for any reason,  then there needs to be a team out or something to not be stuck on that big money.  I think the same should go with Hunter,  having a great season,  but his track record says good not great so how do you pay him top money without an out?

I agree with most of the replies-- it depends.
On a one or maaaybe two year deal at market rate ($25-35M/yr?), sure, bring him back.
If he wants three years guaranteed? Hell no.
One answer that to me is not black and white is the question, "Do I want the Vikings to draft a QB in round 1 of the 2024 NFL Draft?" YES! For the love of God YES!

For less than $15M per year an only $5M in 2024 (dead cap hit already on the team)

36 immobile QB coming back from an achilles injury?  Better be cheap.

Keeping Flores at DC PLUS a strong DT and DL FA addition in 2024, a young QB (Hall, Dobbs, 1st Round pick) can take this roster to the playoffs

@"Skodin" said: For less than $15M per year an only $5M in 2024 (dead cap hit already on the team)

36 immobile QB coming back from an achilles injury?  Better be cheap.

Keeping Flores at DC PLUS a strong DT and DL FA addition in 2024, a young QB (Hall, Dobbs, 1st Round pick) can take this roster to the playoffs

Nothing is going to be cheap. He’ll get an incentive laden contract but if he plays well he should get paid for it. 

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Skodin" said: For less than $15M per year an only $5M in 2024 (dead cap hit already on the team)

36 immobile QB coming back from an achilles injury?  Better be cheap.

Keeping Flores at DC PLUS a strong DT and DL FA addition in 2024, a young QB (Hall, Dobbs, 1st Round pick) can take this roster to the playoffs

Nothing is going to be cheap. He’ll get an incentive laden contract but if he plays well he should get paid for it. 

Hold.  Kirk is Kirk, which we have seen every year since he joined our team.  Just like every year, he has statistically great games, poor games and mediocre games. This year isn't much different based on the the first 8 games.  I see so many assuming this year, with Kirk healthy, was our year???  Who truly believes we were going to get into the playoffs and Kirk was going to pull a Kurt Warner?  I still feel the heavy breathing, butt clinching Kirk was eventually going to present itself IF we got to the playoffs.  I don't care how he was performing...he in know way has ever looked like, performed like or exude the persona of previous superbowl winning QBs.  We need to move on IMO and I see his injury as an opportunity to do just that.  See what we have with Jaren or Dobbs, look to the draft, etc.

My thought is that you don't move on from QBs like Kirk Cousins. You keep them for as long as possible. And the Vikings, with Jefferson and Addison forming what will probably be the best receiving duo in the NFL, are going to be very excited about what a Cousins-led offense is capable of in 2024. 

Unless Hall plays out of his mind over the next several weeks, the Vikings are going to draft a QB in the spring. And they will not hobble that potentially great offense by giving its reigns to a rookie or a 2nd year 5th round QB. It will be Cousins...if they can come to an agreement. 

But therein lies the rub. Cousins won't get top of market money because of the injury. But there are going to be several teams willing to offer Cousins close to it. I think he'll take less to stay in Minnesota, but it has to be reasonably close. People suggesting we can get him for $15M per are just being silly. 

I think a two-year, $40M per, fully guaranteed contract could do it. That would move him from 15th to tied for 10th in APY with Stafford, Jones and Prescott. But nowhere near the $50+/per salary the top QBs are getting. A bargain if you ask me.

Assuming he can fully recover, yah I'd like him back. 

 Ideally for a couple more seasons and to let a qbotf curate a while @ TCO. 

What would nuke that is if another team decides to do something crazy contract wise or Hall just blows-up for 8 games. 

If he is healthy then yes. It's pretty wild to see the pendulum swing between move on and keep him. We have to see what happens the rest of the season to know where the Vikings will be draftwise as well. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"Skodin" said: For less than $15M per year an only $5M in 2024 (dead cap hit already on the team)

36 immobile QB coming back from an achilles injury?  Better be cheap.

Keeping Flores at DC PLUS a strong DT and DL FA addition in 2024, a young QB (Hall, Dobbs, 1st Round pick) can take this roster to the playoffs

Nothing is going to be cheap. He’ll get an incentive laden contract but if he plays well he should get paid for it. 

ive got no problem with that,  its the mercenary approach he has taken to date that makes me think,  just move on,  but in reality he is really great person,  apparently a really great locker room leader, and as such he has earned the chance to keep his job and his money,  but not at the sake of future years cap,  we need to start living in the now and leaving some money for future teams or we will always be just a bit short.

There cannot be a “no trade” clause.  second year is incentive laiden.

This time the Vikings need to dictate the terms (negotiable) but if Cousin’s make demands, the Vikings say thanks but no thanks.

Jefferson does

It depends. The team is clearly behind him and he was playing lights out before getting hurt. The turnovers this year are a big concern along with how well and quickly he recovers from his injury. I can see a case for keeping him another 1-2 years, but they are in the window where they need to aggressively look for a QB of the future. Having a QB on a rookie deal would be huge for building out the rest of the roster, but obviously there is no guarantee that they find the right player. However, I have a lot more faith in O'Connell to develop a young passer than I ever did under Zimmer and seeing both Hall and Dobbs play well today gives me more confidence they could make a switch at QB and not have things collapse.

It does look like there will be a strong QB draft class, but with how the team is playing, I have a hard time seeing them end up with a top 10 pick, so a rookie QB is not a guarantee. We have the rest of the season to see what we have in Hall and Dobbs, but there are a lot of moving parts and I have no idea what veteran QBs are expected to be available.