Does this team really need a Kirk Cousins?

Makes you yearn for the days of Joe Webb, Spergon Wynn, Ron VanderKelen and Gary Cuozzo, huh......

The answer to the question above is; Nothing, absolutely nothing.
I would also substitute "rookie/journeyman QB" with "any kid at any local park".

you have no idea how bad things are going to be after Kirk

If they want to win games they do, today was probably Cousins worst game of the year, but other than today he has been the biggest asset we have to winning games.  Take him off the team and I don't think we would win another game. 

Like a hunter need a clarinet?

@"rf54" said: you have no idea how bad things are going to be after Kirk

Maybe not, but a team that does is Atlanta. Ridder is awful. 3 INT's today and his last pick in the endzone was atrocious. That Falcons squad probably wins the division with competent quarterback play.

@"rf54" said: you have no idea how bad things are going to be after Kirk

@"JR44" said: If they want to win games they do, today was probably Cousins worst game of the year, but other than today he has been the biggest asset we have to winning games.  Take him off the team and I don't think we would win another game. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"rf54" said: you have no idea how bad things are going to be after Kirk

Aint that fucking good with him.  We've been trying to build around him since he got here and its just not happening,   its always something.  He's not a bad QB and he's an excellent passer,  but the game is evolving and his style is getting left behind.  Standing in a pocket and waiting for something to come open just doesn't work anymore,  a half way mobile QB with Cousins arm talent hangs 40 on the bears today.  Kirks offense struggled to get first downs let alone points.

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better.
I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

Has nothing to do with the QB and everything to do with the rest of the way the roster has been built. All you have to look at the last 3 drafts , and how the Lions have drafted vs. the Vikings. Goff is paid roughly the same as Cousins. Goff is less mobile than Cousins. Goff came within a whisker of winning a super bowl with the Rams. The mobility issue is tired and patently false. Our defense as a whole, run game and O-line, scares nobody. Our GM and HC seem to be in over their heads. That's the real reason this team is on ice, going nowhere. Until we get real scouts out there, and a GM who knows how to build a team with an identity, and a HC who will do more than be a Sean McVay puppet, we're on skates.

@"VikingIowA" said: Kirk does hasn't lost any games for the team this year is the familiar narrative.  But what did Cousins do in this game against probably on of the worst 2 teams in the league to contribute anything to a win that any rookie/journeyman QB couldn't do?!  

To me it appears quite obvious this team does not need a Kirk Cousins but it does need a lot of other players at multiple position groups that can't be gotten with a Cousins on their team. IMO.

@"FLVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

I am really trying hard to understand how they may not be better when an un-drafted rookie comes off the bench for the Bears and basically out-plays Cousins in the 4th quarter.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

I am really trying hard to understand how they may not be better when an un-drafted rookie comes off the bench for the Bears and basically out-plays Cousins in the 4th quarter.

Cousins is a good/great passer,  he understands what defenses are trying to do most times,  he is ahead of any rookie coming out when it comes to knowing how to play the position,  and being able to put the  ball where it needs to be when he is comfortable.  With all that said,  this franchise is not ( IMO ) going to get good enough around KC to become a legit contender,  so as long as ( again IMO ) its going to take a couple years to get there ( and KC will continue to decline in mobility and skill )  then its past time to get a legit rookie on the roster and start building for the future.  It was fucking sad yesterday when they showed the bears O with the rookie and our last 3 drives with a total of 15 yards.  some will blame the drops,  but on several of those drops it was way short of what was needed and the play was going to go no where even if they had caught the ball.  any rookie coming in will have some total stinker games as he learns the position,  likely take until year 3 ( regardless of if they play year 1 or not ) to get to where we should be expecting success.

@"medaille" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"FLVike" said:

Most would expect a little more for $35 mil. Especially after an undrafted rookie comes off the bench and plays very well and handles pressure much better. I'll take my chances with any one of these rookies;Caleb Williams, Michael Penix, JJ McCarthy, or Drake Maye.

They may not be better,  but they would be moving forward for the franchise,   right now it seems like the team is on ice with the throttle to the floor,  they think they are trying hard, but going no where. 

I am really trying hard to understand how they may not be better when an un-drafted rookie comes off the bench for the Bears and basically out-plays Cousins in the 4th quarter.

Cousins is a good/great passer,  he understands what defenses are trying to do most times,  he is ahead of any rookie coming out when it comes to knowing how to play the position,  and being able to put the  ball where it needs to be when he is comfortable.  With all that said,  this franchise is not ( IMO ) going to get good enough around KC to become a legit contender,  so as long as ( again IMO ) its going to take a couple years to get there ( and KC will continue to decline in mobility and skill )  then its past time to get a legit rookie on the roster and start building for the future.  It was fucking sad yesterday when they showed the bears O with the rookie and our last 3 drives with a total of 15 yards.  some will blame the drops,  but on several of those drops it was way short of what was needed and the play was going to go no where even if they had caught the ball.  any rookie coming in will have some total stinker games as he learns the position,  likely take until year 3 ( regardless of if they play year 1 or not ) to get to where we should be expecting success.

I think no matter what we do with Cousins, we need to take a
swing at a young guy sooner than later. 
I think if we wait until year 3 or 4 of the KAM/KOC regime, they could
really be on their way out before they “Get their guy”.  I don’t hate hate bringing Cousins back on
one year contracts to let your rookie have a year to acclimate, but I don’t
think bringing in a Mayfield or a Minshew is really sacrificing too many wins compared
to keeping Cousins.

Kook will be gone in 3 months and we will be on the hook for his 2024 payment with no compensation for a starting QB (Big Brain Kwesi!).  He will never elevate a team to be a champion.  He has had a top 3 duo of WR's every year here.  He had a top 5 RB for 5 years here.  He's had good to great TE seasons here (Rudy, TJ).  He even had a top 10 defense twice here.  We drafted 4 OL in the top 2 rounds, 1 OG in the 3rd to protect him.  We signed his best man to play guard.  Multiple OCs, a young Offensive minded head coach for him.

All of that, 1 playoff win.

He is a stat filling robot with zero feel for the game who has been a mercenary with his contract and no trade clause.  He's getting older, slower, and less reliable.

We have 2 WINS this season.   2 vs two of the worst teams in the league.  

I have a hard time believing that Jared Hall or Nick Mullens wouldn't be that much worse than 2 wins at this point.  He's not taking this franchise anywhere.

GET OFF THE COUSINS RIDE.  GOOD RIDDANCE

2024 Any Rookie But Kirk