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Does this team really need a Kirk Cousins?

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Kirk does hasn't lost any games for the team this year is the familiar narrative.  But what did Cousins do in this game against probably on of the worst 2 teams in the league to contribute anything to a win that any rookie/journeyman QB couldn't do?!  

To me it appears quite obvious this team does not need a Kirk Cousins but it does need a lot of other players at multiple position groups that can't be gotten with a Cousins on their team. IMO.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



you forgot the rest of the story,  but you are dead on to this point,  the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round,  gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line.  meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter,  never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p


Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there. 


take what from there,  a bus home?  this team is not going anywhere unless we run into a team with worse luck than we have.


It's always possible. And I've said this before, but I really don't get this Super Bowl or nothing stuff. Like it's the only thing that matters. And you're certainly not the only one who thinks that. But I just don't understand it. Never have, never will. 

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And to think after 49 years I thought I was the only one that knew this team well. And people say the future isn't written yet, little do they know.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



you forgot the rest of the story,  but you are dead on to this point,  the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round,  gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line.  meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter,  never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p


Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there. 


take what from there,  a bus home?  this team is not going anywhere unless we run into a team with worse luck than we have.


It's always possible. And I've said this before, but I really don't get this Super Bowl or nothing stuff. Like it's the only thing that matters. And you're certainly not the only one who thinks that. But I just don't understand it. Never have, never will. 


Remember,   for you and a few others t's just entertainment no matter what,  for the rest of us its a Lombardi before we die,   and most of us are running out of seasons.  We are closing in on 50 years since even making a SB,  50 fucking years,  and as of today it looks like the Lions could get there before we do.  This franchise is floundering in mediocrity and for many of us,  thats just not acceptable any more,  if we don't see a team making moves to change their course of bleh...then we are gonna bitch,  we will still watch amd cheer on Sunday,   but no more tinted shades for me.  

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



you forgot the rest of the story,  but you are dead on to this point,  the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round,  gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line.  meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter,  never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p


Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there. 


take what from there,  a bus home?  this team is not going anywhere unless we run into a team with worse luck than we have.


It's always possible. And I've said this before, but I really don't get this Super Bowl or nothing stuff. Like it's the only thing that matters. And you're certainly not the only one who thinks that. But I just don't understand it. Never have, never will. 


Remember,   for you and a few others t's just entertainment no matter what,  for the rest of us its a Lombardi before we die,   and most of us are running out of seasons.  We are closing in on 50 years since even making a SB,  50 fucking years,  and as of today it looks like the Lions could get there before we do.  This franchise is floundering in mediocrity and for many of us,  thats just not acceptable any more,  if we don't see a team making moves to change their course of bleh...then we are gonna bitch,  we will still watch amd cheer on Sunday,   but no more tinted shades for me.  

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm losing the ability to even count the years since our Superbowl season of 1976.

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The last time they got to a SB I was a couple of years too young to get a driver's license.  By the time they get back there, the state will have pulled my license on account of me being completely geriatric, running down puppies and baby carriages while I wheel around town oblivious to it all.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



you forgot the rest of the story,  but you are dead on to this point,  the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round,  gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line.  meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter,  never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p


Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there. 


take what from there,  a bus home?  this team is not going anywhere unless we run into a team with worse luck than we have.


It's always possible. And I've said this before, but I really don't get this Super Bowl or nothing stuff. Like it's the only thing that matters. And you're certainly not the only one who thinks that. But I just don't understand it. Never have, never will. 


Remember,   for you and a few others t's just entertainment no matter what,  for the rest of us its a Lombardi before we die,   and most of us are running out of seasons.  We are closing in on 50 years since even making a SB,  50 fucking years,  and as of today it looks like the Lions could get there before we do.  This franchise is floundering in mediocrity and for many of us,  thats just not acceptable any more,  if we don't see a team making moves to change their course of bleh...then we are gonna bitch,  we will still watch amd cheer on Sunday,   but no more tinted shades for me.  


Yes, I know. But for the luvva God, stop thinking like that! It's unhealthy. 

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@"comet52" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



This 2-4 and imo soon to be 2-6 team got its wins barely beating two of the worst teams in football, in fact they could have lost both games.   I'd say going on a 6 game win streak is about as likely as me winning the lottery.


The team that played the Bears and Panthers sure as hell isn't going to win 6 straight. But I think the team that played the Eagles, Chargers and Chiefs can, provided JJ isn't out more than 4 weeks. Teams change identities over the course of a season. They do this all the time and nobody seems to notice. It's why Bud used to say it's not who you play it's when you play them. 

Just one example, last year the Lions started 1-6. This was a team you wanted to play. They finished 9-8, barely missing the playoffs. That December Lions team you wanted no part of. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



you forgot the rest of the story,  but you are dead on to this point,  the rest is the team shits the bed once again in the wild card round,  gets the 19th pick and chooses the 3rd defensive back off the board once again ignoring the need for QB or either line.  meanwhile that DB never really fits what they need him to do here and cant get on the field because he is stuck behind some middlin late rounders and UDFAs... but dammit we've got that wild card game to reminisce on for the next few years....of course we would have won that playoff game if we hadnt traded Hunter,  never mind that our O only puts up 13 points....because VIKINGS! :p


Put me down for the wild card round part! We'll take it from there. 


take what from there,  a bus home?  this team is not going anywhere unless we run into a team with worse luck than we have.


It's always possible. And I've said this before, but I really don't get this Super Bowl or nothing stuff. Like it's the only thing that matters. And you're certainly not the only one who thinks that. But I just don't understand it. Never have, never will. 


Remember,   for you and a few others t's just entertainment no matter what,  for the rest of us its a Lombardi before we die,   and most of us are running out of seasons.  We are closing in on 50 years since even making a SB,  50 fucking years,  and as of today it looks like the Lions could get there before we do.  This franchise is floundering in mediocrity and for many of us,  thats just not acceptable any more,  if we don't see a team making moves to change their course of bleh...then we are gonna bitch,  we will still watch amd cheer on Sunday,   but no more tinted shades for me.  


Yes, I know. But for the luvva God, stop thinking like that! It's unhealthy. 


It's perfectly natural,  thinking that Kirk is gonna take this team to the promised land... well that might be a sign of a health issue. =)

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It's perfectly natural,  thinking that Kirk is gonna take this team to the promised land... well that might be a sign of a health issue. =)


The not-so-secret secret is that the TEAM takes itself...or not.  Period.

We weren't going with a toxic head coach.

We weren't going with his predecessor, who's likely still watching tape from 2013.

We weren't going with Teddy or Case, who barely averaged at or above 1 passing TD per game.

We weren't going with 30th-rated defenses.

We weren't going with constant o-line issues.

NOW...our defense has clawed its way into mediocrity, our o-line is actually rated well, and our losses largely come down to...errors, in the forms of turnovers and drops.

Furthermore, two of our losses were to the most recent superbowl teams, another to a very recent superbowl champion, and one...well, Herbert sliced us up.  85% is a brutal number.

All that said, the new defense was going to take time, and correcting mistakes goes a HUGE way toward this team flipping its script.

Hey, I know, the mega-nega-nancies are already calling in a "just good enough to screw our draft position" season, because they're sad wretches by definition.  Really, that's being a sad wretch.  Honest.

Yeah, I want at least one Lombardi before I die, and I actually want a winning record in Superbowls before I die...but I think it's not only right, but actually important to mock and malign the grim b****es that want to cast negativity all over sites, boards, and threads every season.  Treat them badly, as they're all too happy to rain on parades.  It's a fair exchange!

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Look at the bright side;
We are only a coach and a QB away.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said: Oh good, adding to 5 years of "trade Kirk" blather!

How fuggin' original.

Here's a headline: the Vikings have not been a good enough team to advance beyond the levels they've achieved as a GROUP.  2017 was a whole series of flukes, for Keenum most of all, and it took a genuine miracle (particularly a defender error) to beat NOLA in the playoffs.  Phlly steamrolled us in a way that reminded us that we weren't really there.

The NFL figured out Zimmer's defense, and he was a complete s**t to a QB and offense that got him 10-15 more passing TDs per season.  The o-line was crap, the defenense fell off a cliff, and Cousins let the team move his money all over the place to help pay others...so, no, his contract didn't shackle the team.

This year, we lead the league in turnovers and drops...and are losing the same 1-score games we were winning, before.  Given how many of Cousins' passes I've seen hit targets in both hands, yet get dropped/bobbled, I have to think that putting most of the blame on him is a combination of agenda and insanity.

The team, as a whole, is "off", never seems to be clicking beyond a drive or two.  That's largely on coaching, and I don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The defense has gone from the cellar to mid-pack, the o-line is truly stepping up.  Maybe, just maybe, the team is coming together and will get their goofs ironed out for a strong second half...and JJ's return.


God damn kookaid drinking homer... 

Bet I can tell you how it's all gonna go down, because....VIKINGS! We're gonna play the 49ers tough and then lose because of another silly mistake. Then we're gonna trade Hunter. Then we're gonna go on a 6 game winning streak, sitting at 8-5 and very much in playoff contention, wishing we had kept Hunter.



This 2-4 and imo soon to be 2-6 team got its wins barely beating two of the worst teams in football, in fact they could have lost both games.   I'd say going on a 6 game win streak is about as likely as me winning the lottery.


The team that played the Bears and Panthers sure as hell isn't going to win 6 straight. But I think the team that played the Eagles, Chargers and Chiefs can, provided JJ isn't out more than 4 weeks. Teams change identities over the course of a season. They do this all the time and nobody seems to notice. It's why Bud used to say it's not who you play it's when you play them. 

Just one example, last year the Lions started 1-6. This was a team you wanted to play. They finished 9-8, barely missing the playoffs. That December Lions team you wanted no part of. 



It's nice to have wishes and fantasies about this team but it's not about to magically turn into the Lions because it's full of holes, not just on the field but on the sidelines and in the front office.   Its also missing it's best player and one of it's few capable defenders for at least the next 4 games.

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@"FLVike" said:
Look at the bright side; We are only a coach and a QB away.
And about 15-20 other guys.   Piece of cake.
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@"comet52" said:
@"FLVike" said:
Look at the bright side; We are only a coach and a QB away.
And about 15-20 other guys.   Piece of cake.

Not if our QB signs as a spokesman for State Farm.

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@"Zanary" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:


It's perfectly natural,  thinking that Kirk is gonna take this team to the promised land... well that might be a sign of a health issue. =)


The not-so-secret secret is that the TEAM takes itself...or not.  Period.

We weren't going with a toxic head coach.

We weren't going with his predecessor, who's likely still watching tape from 2013.

We weren't going with Teddy or Case, who barely averaged at or above 1 passing TD per game.

We weren't going with 30th-rated defenses.

We weren't going with constant o-line issues.

NOW...our defense has clawed its way into mediocrity, our o-line is actually rated well, and our losses largely come down to...errors, in the forms of turnovers and drops.

Furthermore, two of our losses were to the most recent superbowl teams, another to a very recent superbowl champion, and one...well, Herbert sliced us up.  85% is a brutal number.

All that said, the new defense was going to take time, and correcting mistakes goes a HUGE way toward this team flipping its script.

Hey, I know, the mega-nega-nancies are already calling in a "just good enough to screw our draft position" season, because they're sad wretches by definition.  Really, that's being a sad wretch.  Honest.

Yeah, I want at least one Lombardi before I die, and I actually want a winning record in Superbowls before I die...but I think it's not only right, but actually important to mock and malign the grim b****es that want to cast negativity all over sites, boards, and threads every season.  Treat them badly, as they're all too happy to rain on parades.  It's a fair exchange!



Honestly, I think they're miserable enough. 
I used to wonder who are these dour, mournful souls? And why do they think the things they think? Do they kick their dogs too? Do they disappear into dark corners of their houses and cut themselves? They know it's just a fucking game, right? 
But I don't think that anymore. In fact, I suspect they don't like the team any less than anyone else. In a lot of cases, it's probably more. But where many of us watch a loss, turn on Netflix and forget about it. For them, the losses cut deeper. The blade sharpened by decades of hope and promise followed by crushing defeat. 
And so they run from even the most reasonable amount of hope or positivity like a madman from his demons.

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"Zanary" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:


It's perfectly natural,  thinking that Kirk is gonna take this team to the promised land... well that might be a sign of a health issue. =)


The not-so-secret secret is that the TEAM takes itself...or not.  Period.

We weren't going with a toxic head coach.

We weren't going with his predecessor, who's likely still watching tape from 2013.

We weren't going with Teddy or Case, who barely averaged at or above 1 passing TD per game.

We weren't going with 30th-rated defenses.

We weren't going with constant o-line issues.

NOW...our defense has clawed its way into mediocrity, our o-line is actually rated well, and our losses largely come down to...errors, in the forms of turnovers and drops.

Furthermore, two of our losses were to the most recent superbowl teams, another to a very recent superbowl champion, and one...well, Herbert sliced us up.  85% is a brutal number.

All that said, the new defense was going to take time, and correcting mistakes goes a HUGE way toward this team flipping its script.

Hey, I know, the mega-nega-nancies are already calling in a "just good enough to screw our draft position" season, because they're sad wretches by definition.  Really, that's being a sad wretch.  Honest.

Yeah, I want at least one Lombardi before I die, and I actually want a winning record in Superbowls before I die...but I think it's not only right, but actually important to mock and malign the grim b****es that want to cast negativity all over sites, boards, and threads every season.  Treat them badly, as they're all too happy to rain on parades.  It's a fair exchange!



Honestly, I think they're miserable enough. 
I used to wonder who are these dour, mournful souls? And why do they think the things they think? Do they kick their dogs too? Do they disappear into dark corners of their houses and cut themselves? They know it's just a fucking game, right? 
But I don't think that anymore. In fact, I suspect they don't like the team any less than anyone else. In a lot of cases, it's probably more. But where many of us watch a loss, turn on Netflix and forget about it. For them, the losses cut deeper. The blade sharpened by decades of hope and promise followed by crushing defeat. 
And so they run from even the most reasonable amount of hope or positivity like a madman from his demons.



lol I like the waxing philosophical here, but from a long term fan perspective you just mitigate your emotions and understand its just a game. I don't need to be pollyanna or negative, I just react how I see it from my perspective. Its just fandom. There are no 'demons', just long time disappointment and expecting the worst...but always secretly hoping for the best. 

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But some of us cannot understand how it is even possible that our team can go through the best defenses and best offenses and hall of fame talent like Randall McDaniel, Randy Moss and Cris Carter, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, All-Day and Brett Favre, and now JJ, to name a few,  without getting to the Superbowl. Is there any other team like this?

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@"FLVike" said: But some of us cannot understand how it is even possible that our team can go through the best defenses and best offenses and hall of fame talent like Randall McDaniel, Randy Moss and Cris Carter, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, All-Day and Brett Favre, and now JJ, to name a few,  without getting to the Superbowl. Is there any other team like this?


All teams have had great players and not gotten over the hump at times.  But we've had great teams and not even gotten back there in damn near 50 years.  I dont know that we are the most cursed,  but gotta be at least first runner up.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"FLVike" said: But some of us cannot understand how it is even possible that our team can go through the best defenses and best offenses and hall of fame talent like Randall McDaniel, Randy Moss and Cris Carter, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, All-Day and Brett Favre, and now JJ, to name a few,  without getting to the Superbowl. Is there any other team like this?


All teams have had great players and not gotten over the hump at times.  But we've had great teams and not even gotten back there in damn near 50 years.  I dont know that we are the most cursed,  but gotta be at least first runner up.

I'm getting old and may not be able to calculate correctly but I think 2026 will be our 50th season since we got there.

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@"FLVike" said: But some of us cannot understand how it is even possible that our team can go through the best defenses and best offenses and hall of fame talent like Randall McDaniel, Randy Moss and Cris Carter, Steve Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, All-Day and Brett Favre, and now JJ, to name a few,  without getting to the Superbowl. Is there any other team like this?


Honestly?  

Nope 

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@"DeepFreeze05" said: A QB with over 10 years of NFL experience can certainly be traded to a team that's balanced or has a strong defense. If that team has a great shot of making the playoffs with a below average to average QB, a QB like Cousins may take them deep in the playoffs. Starting off after a trade, he would just need to manage the offense and get familiar with it. That team that can gradually bring Cousins along and let him loose in the playoffs. Plus, it may not take him long to pickup offense since he's had a variety of offense coordinators throughout the years dating back to his Washington days.


I think you're oversimplifying things. I think what you're talking about works for WRs and RBs and DEs and CBs, but it doesn't work for QBs. Probably why it's never been done.

Also, what QB-needy team is already so good that a QB like Cousins is going to put them over the top? All teams headed to the playoffs already have QBs. It's why they're headed to the playoffs. I think it suffices to say this would not be a great team.

And so why would Cousins waive his NTC, leave KOCs offense, and JJ and Addison and TJH, to learn a new one, and move to God knows where, uprooting his home and family...all for a few more bucks that he's going to get in free agency this spring anyway? It really doesn't make a lot of sense. 

I think it's more likely the Vikings extend Cousins than trade him. 



I still think Atlanta is a team that would trade for Kirk.  Probably the only one.  Run heavy, play action offense.  They have Ridder and that's it.  He's been really uneven despite them being 4-3 and leading the NFC South.  You look at that division and Atlanta is a good QB from winning it and being in the playoffs.

They could make the trade with a long term vision in mind.  Get him now, let him learn the play book until their Week 11 bye and then have him down the stretch and he'd be their guy moving forward.  I agree, it's not likely but that is the one scenario I could see happening.

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