Trade Kirk to the Jets NOW

But....but...Jefferson will throw a fit about it and won't re-sign with us 

This isn't a contending team.  I don't need to watch them go 8-9 this year.  I'll be fine with 4-13 and a ticket in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.  I'd trade him to the Jets if the option came along.

@"comet52" said: This isn't a contending team.  I don't need to watch them go 8-9 this year.  I'll be fine with 4-13 and a ticket in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.  I'd trade him to the Jets if the option came along.

I've said from the beginning that we weren't one of the better teams in the conference and probably are a .500 team, so this "competitive rebuild" crap is a sham. Either trade your assets and keep the young guys you are building around, or go all in and try to get better. Unfortunately for us we lost a lot of pieces this offseason and it's kind of like we are in no man's land putting one foot in the pond. 

One thing to keep in kind though is while the first half of our schedule is brutal, we could really make up some ground in the second half. 

Ground wont mean anything.   TG was talking about the Jets trading during the bye week.  Things could change in 5 weeks... 

I think the org. feels these turnovers are the reason for the loss, so I wouldn't hold my breath on a Cousins trade. He also can veto any trade. 

@"StickyBun" said: I think the org. feels these turnovers are the reason for the loss, so I wouldn't hold my breath on a Cousins trade. He also can veto any trade. 

Yeah that's true.  But he might not mind if they are losing games while he gets sacked over and over.  I'm looking at the schedule and this team could be 3-4 games under .500 by the halfway point.  He might get to week 5 and decide being a Jet beats getting killed all night by Nick Bosa and the gang.

What's the point of keeping him around to maybe go .500 when you could get assets and a better draft position by dealing him?  It's like the delusion that this squad, with obvious holes all over the field, is somehow on track to compete for something and that fantasy trumps everything else.  

This was my feeling as soon as I heard the Jets didn't lose that first rounder next year.  Either they are all in or they aren't.  However of I was the GM of the Jets,  I dont do it.  QB takes so much,  I just don't know that you would see the value with no offseason to learn the plays, checks, route trees,  get your timing down with the receivers,  etc.

The only thing about this is that Kirk has a no-trade clause. Not sure he'd want to waive it for an in-season trade, even if it is to a contender.

Vikings gave up a 1st and conditional 4th for Sam Bradford in 2016. Slightly different situation. Vikes traded for Bradford in early September and Bradford had just signed a two year contract with the Eagles. Eagles paid a little more than half of Bradford's contract in the first year. Personally, I'd trade Cousins if they can get a 1st. We need all of the draft ammunition we can get. Sacrificing a probable mediocre year for a 10 year QB is worth it in my view.

So the Jets would be giving up next years first for Cousins and giving up next years 2nd for Rodgers?   I highly doubt it.

@"HappyViking" said: So the Jets would be giving up next years first for Cousins and giving up next years 2nd for Rodgers?   I highly doubt it.

the 2nd to the puke is a sunk cost,  shouldnt factor into this equation at all.  The only thing they should be asking themselves is would a learn on the job Kirk be significantly better than Wilson who knows the offense already,  but doesnt have the experience.  If you have a roster that is SB ready and you think Kirk puts you over the top... you trade that first and focus on this year every day IMO.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said: So the Jets would be giving up next years first for Cousins and giving up next years 2nd for Rodgers?   I highly doubt it.

the 2nd to the puke is a sunk cost,  shouldnt factor into this equation at all.  The only thing they should be asking themselves is would a learn on the job Kirk be significantly better than Wilson who knows the offense already,  but doesnt have the experience.  If you have a roster that is SB ready and you think Kirk puts you over the top... you trade that first and focus on this year every day IMO.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"HappyViking" said: So the Jets would be giving up next years first for Cousins and giving up next years 2nd for Rodgers?   I highly doubt it.

the 2nd to the puke is a sunk cost,  shouldnt factor into this equation at all.  The only thing they should be asking themselves is would a learn on the job Kirk be significantly better than Wilson who knows the offense already,  but doesnt have the experience.  If you have a roster that is SB ready and you think Kirk puts you over the top... you trade that first and focus on this year every day IMO.

I doubt they’ll trade a first round pick for one season of Kirk, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t offer us a third. Would KAM/the Wilfs okay that just to start the tank? Unlikely. Would I? Maybe. Especially if we lose next week and GB, DET keep winning. 

Jets coach Saleh even said he would be surprised if Rodgers didn't try and come back next season.  So would they really sacrifice picks to get Cousins with the possibility of Rodgers next season.  I know it's a long shot for Rodgers to return given his age but with him it may just be an ego thing that an injury isn't going to end his career.

No fan wants to tank for draft picks, so everyone suggesting that should just get your cheese hats and see yourselves out.

There's no future in that for Kirk. He'd be left holding his sack when A-Aron comes back next year holding the American flag. It makes no sense for either franchise to give Kirk away for less than his value, and the Jets having a washed up gimp expecting to come back while a better alternative that you signed on a band-aid half year deal is standing there in your locker room.This is the most ill conceived scenario ever dreamed up in 3 seconds.

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no future in that for Kirk. He'd be left holding his sack when A-Aron comes back next year holding the American flag. It makes no sense for either franchise to give Kirk away for less than his value, and the Jets having a washed up gimp expecting to come back while a better alternative that you signed on a band-aid half year deal is standing there in your locker room.This is the most ill conceived scenario ever dreamed up in 3 seconds.

I wouldn’t say it makes no sense for the Vikings. But I agree, it doesn’t for the Jets. The cost is too high for such a short stint. Trade would be unprecedented and is therefore unlikely. 

The Jets just need to see Zach Wilson helping them waste this year's opportunity for a few weeks and they'll pony up the first for a one year rental.  Rodgers isn't even a consideration.  A 40 year old trying to rehab an achilles is the longest of long shots and Kirk isn't signed past this year.

Sure he could invoke the no trade but why?  He can see they don't plan to keep him past this year.  He can see the Jets have a championship caliber defense.  So why not take a shot at a title there, cuz the purple sure as heck aren't going anywhere this year.

@"Zanary" said: No fan wants to tank for draft picks, so everyone suggesting that should just get your cheese hats and see yourselves out.

ah yes,  the good ol king of fandom post makes an appearance.  all hail the king.

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no future in that for Kirk. He'd be left holding his sack when A-Aron comes back next year holding the American flag. It makes no sense for either franchise to give Kirk away for less than his value, and the Jets having a washed up gimp expecting to come back while a better alternative that you signed on a band-aid half year deal is standing there in your locker room.This is the most ill conceived scenario ever dreamed up in 3 seconds.

rogers is a long shot to come back,  could he, yes,  but will he?  so then if you dont make this move you waste a year of this teams window,  you are still out that 2nd rounder, and you are back to where you were prior to the rogers trade with Wilson as your starting QB, which was why you made the move for Rogers in the first place.  As far as a future for Kirk,  is he going to be worth more as a 7-8 win QB playing in MN,  or a playoff or maybe even superbowl QB playing in NY?  even if it is just a rental and he doesnt get an extension from NY,  his stock would likely be higher coming off a playoff run than a forgettable season IMO.