Trade Kirk to the Jets NOW

Rogers has a $60mm dead cap - he'll be back. That and because he wont want this injury to be the end chapter of a HOF career 

@"purplefaithful" said: Rogers has a $60mm dead cap - he'll be back. That and because he wont want this injury to be the end chapter of a HOF career 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no future in that for Kirk. He'd be left holding his sack when A-Aron comes back next year holding the American flag. It makes no sense for either franchise to give Kirk away for less than his value, and the Jets having a washed up gimp expecting to come back while a better alternative that you signed on a band-aid half year deal is standing there in your locker room.This is the most ill conceived scenario ever dreamed up in 3 seconds.

rogers is a long shot to come back,  could he, yes,  but will he?  so then if you dont make this move you waste a year of this teams window,  you are still out that 2nd rounder, and you are back to where you were prior to the rogers trade with Wilson as your starting QB, which was why you made the move for Rogers in the first place.  As far as a future for Kirk,  is he going to be worth more as a 7-8 win QB playing in MN,  or a playoff or maybe even superbowl QB playing in NY?  even if it is just a rental and he doesnt get an extension from NY,  his stock would likely be higher coming off a playoff run than a forgettable season IMO.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said: There's no future in that for Kirk. He'd be left holding his sack when A-Aron comes back next year holding the American flag. It makes no sense for either franchise to give Kirk away for less than his value, and the Jets having a washed up gimp expecting to come back while a better alternative that you signed on a band-aid half year deal is standing there in your locker room.This is the most ill conceived scenario ever dreamed up in 3 seconds.

rogers is a long shot to come back,  could he, yes,  but will he?  so then if you dont make this move you waste a year of this teams window,  you are still out that 2nd rounder, and you are back to where you were prior to the rogers trade with Wilson as your starting QB, which was why you made the move for Rogers in the first place.  As far as a future for Kirk,  is he going to be worth more as a 7-8 win QB playing in MN,  or a playoff or maybe even superbowl QB playing in NY?  even if it is just a rental and he doesnt get an extension from NY,  his stock would likely be higher coming off a playoff run than a forgettable season IMO.

He's as much as said he'll be back. Unless he's physically unable, the Jets have hitched their wagon to him. Kirk's value will be what it is, playing pitch and catch with JJ or he'll get no credit for jumping in the driver's seat on a loaded Jets team. He'll get the Jared Goff treatment except that he's 6 yr's older. If I'm really going down that road, Minnesota shouldn't let him go for less than a 1st since the Jets seem to think he's the piece that gets them a SB, and would make that #1 pick essentially a Rd. 2 pick.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: No fan wants to tank for draft picks, so everyone suggesting that should just get your cheese hats and see yourselves out.

ah yes,  the good ol king of fandom post makes an appearance.  all hail the king.

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: No fan wants to tank for draft picks, so everyone suggesting that should just get your cheese hats and see yourselves out.

ah yes,  the good ol king of fandom post makes an appearance.  all hail the king.

It still costs you $5 to kiss my ring. Cash in advance.

It's the team's job to put forth the best attempt to win every game...period.  Given how many high pick QBs turn into busts, and how obviously our problems are still the protection of our QB, the constant "trade Kirk!" froth has, and remains, a waste of time and bandwidth.

While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

good point about the cap,  however the Jets currently have about 10 million in cap space available,  which coincidentally is exactly what Kirks contract had for salary for this year,  of which the Vikings are now on the hook for about 1.2 million of that,  so they could make it work.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

good point about the cap,  however the Jets currently have about 10 million in cap space available,  which coincidentally is exactly what Kirks contract had for salary for this year,  of which the Vikings are now on the hook for about 1.2 million of that,  so they could make it work.

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

good point about the cap,  however the Jets currently have about 10 million in cap space available,  which coincidentally is exactly what Kirks contract had for salary for this year,  of which the Vikings are now on the hook for about 1.2 million of that,  so they could make it work.

Except for Kirk's well-known "no trade" clause, which makes this, like the previous 5 years' worth of this babble...

...you guessed it, kiddies:

a waste of time and bandwidth.

Thanks for playing!

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

good point about the cap,  however the Jets currently have about 10 million in cap space available,  which coincidentally is exactly what Kirks contract had for salary for this year,  of which the Vikings are now on the hook for about 1.2 million of that,  so they could make it work.

Except for Kirk's well-known "no trade" clause, which makes this, like the previous 5 years' worth of this babble...

...you guessed it, kiddies:

a waste of time and bandwidth.

Thanks for playing!

@"supafreak84" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"supafreak84" said: While I've been in favor of trading Kirk in the past as part of a sensible rebuild, I just don't know how the Jets maneuver the cap to take on both Rodgers and Cousins salary in a trade unless the Vikings took on a huge part of Kirk's salary. Even then I don't know how that would work 

good point about the cap,  however the Jets currently have about 10 million in cap space available,  which coincidentally is exactly what Kirks contract had for salary for this year,  of which the Vikings are now on the hook for about 1.2 million of that,  so they could make it work.

Interesting. I thought they'd be right up against it after signing Rodgers, Cook, and the rest of the Packer cast-off's this offseason..

While respecting those that are not fans of Kirk or think he is not capable of leading us to win a SB, I disagree that he is at the end of his career just yet and also disagree with the notion that he is not capable of getting us to a SB win.  He is the best thing we have had at QB for a very long time.  He has some flaws (fumblitis at times, etc.), but his positives WAY outweigh his negatives.  Tell me when, Kirk, a classic pocket passer, has ever had a great offensive line with us?  The answer is never.  He just went on the road last night and threw for 350+ yards, with 4 TD's and no Ints's against the reigning NFC champs in prime time.  Yeah, we lost, thanks in large part to 4 fumbles and one was his, a strip sack, which is almost always 50% QB holding onto the ball, and oh yeah, 50% offensive line not pass blocking well enough.  Did you happen to see how many hits he absorbed last night immediately after throwing highly accurate passes?  It is a rare breed QB that is 37 years old, stays healthy, stays focused, is extremely accurate, takes the beating he does on a weekly basis and it is water off his back every week as he comes back and does the same thing the next week.  He is a top-tier QB, like it or not.  Not comparing Cousins to Brady at all, but just saying that Brady would bitch and moan at his OL for allowing him to get hit just a few times a game.  Kirk is getting wailed on almost every play.  Our team has a lot of issues now, some correctable in-house and some that require change, but our QB is not one of them.  You want to look at the two sources of many of our issues - look to the trenches, where they get man-handled weekly.  Fix the OL and DL to at least a "good" status from our current "journey-man patchwork" on both sides albeit with some nice patches here and there, and watch this team take it to the next level, with Kirk leading the way.

Also, imo there is no way the Jet's trade for Cousins and NO WAY Cousin's accepts to be traded to them, uproot his family and move to NY to be Rodgers place-holder for a year.  I hope we re-sign Kirk (of course keep drafting to find the future at QB) and focus on getting more talent on the lines.

Mike Tannenbaum just on ESPN saying that if he were the Jets, he "would not get off the phone" with the Vikings attempting to acquire Kirk Cousins. I think this could heat up the next couple weeks depending on what the Vikings record is and how Wilson plays, which most expect to not be good..

@"Psyched Vike" said: While respecting those that are not fans of Kirk or think he is not capable of leading us to win a SB, I disagree that he is at the end of his career just yet and also disagree with the notion that he is not capable of getting us to a SB win.  He is the best thing we have had at QB for a very long time.  He has some flaws (fumblitis at times, etc.), but his positives WAY outweigh his negatives.  Tell me when, Kirk, a classic pocket passer, has ever had a great offensive line with us?  The answer is never.  He just went on the road last night and threw for 350+ yards, with 4 TD's and no Ints's against the reigning NFC champs in prime time.  Yeah, we lost, thanks in large part to 4 fumbles and one was his, a strip sack, which is almost always 50% QB holding onto the ball, and oh yeah, 50% offensive line not pass blocking well enough.  Did you happen to see how many hits he absorbed last night immediately after throwing highly accurate passes?  It is a rare breed QB that is 37 years old, stays healthy, stays focused, is extremely accurate, takes the beating he does on a weekly basis and it is water off his back every week as he comes back and does the same thing the next week.  He is a top-tier QB, like it or not.  Not comparing Cousins to Brady at all, but just saying that Brady would bitch and moan at his OL for allowing him to get hit just a few times a game.  Kirk is getting wailed on almost every play.  Our team has a lot of issues now, some correctable in-house and some that require change, but our QB is not one of them.  You want to look at the two sources of many of our issues - look to the trenches, where they get man-handled weekly.  Fix the OL and DL to at least a "good" status from our current "journey-man patchwork" on both sides albeit with some nice patches here and there, and watch this team take it to the next level, with Kirk leading the way.

Also, imo there is no way the Jet's trade for Cousins and NO WAY Cousin's accepts to be traded to them, uproot his family and move to NY to be Rodgers place-holder for a year.  I hope we re-sign Kirk (of course keep drafting to find the future at QB) and focus on getting more talent on the lines.

5 years of this stupidity, just switching from SF to the Jets.

Given that Kirk is currently tied for first among best offensive players on the team, I think the belief that he's simple trade bait is pretty...vacant.

@"Zanary" said: 5 years of this stupidity, just switching from SF to the Jets.

Given that Kirk is currently tied for first among best offensive players on the team, I think the belief that he's simple trade bait is pretty...vacant.

@"comet52" said:

@"Zanary" said: 5 years of this stupidity, just switching from SF to the Jets.

Given that Kirk is currently tied for first among best offensive players on the team, I think the belief that he's simple trade bait is pretty...vacant.

You make it sound like not getting to experience Kirk taking us to an 8-9 record this year is some sort of tragedy.  Or at least that's what you do when you're not calling us all idiots and bad fans.

@"comet52" said:

@"Zanary" said: 5 years of this stupidity, just switching from SF to the Jets.

Given that Kirk is currently tied for first among best offensive players on the team, I think the belief that he's simple trade bait is pretty...vacant.

You make it sound like not getting to experience Kirk taking us to an 8-9 record this year is some sort of tragedy.  Or at least that's what you do when you're not calling us all idiots and bad fans.