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@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

Zimmer and RS were let go because of two well known issues:

1). Performance on the field
2). Cultural dysfunction in the locker-room and front office

They're both equally bad and both the HC and GM are responsible imo. Hell, if we as fans were sniffing it out the last few years of their tenure, it had to be pretty bad. 

Why the LGBTQ+ vitriol? The Vikings also support other marginalized groups. Are they at fault for that too?

I've been to plenty of Vikings games over the Wilf years where they have supported our local armed forces and honored their sacrifices in meaningful ways. 

If by chance they did miss Memorial Day this year, that was a big miss imo. 

@"purplefaithful" said: Zimmer and RS were let go because of two well known issues:

1). Performance on the field
2). Cultural dysfunction in the locker-room and front office

They're both equally bad and both the HC and GM are responsible imo. Hell, if we as fans were sniffing it out the last few years of their tenure, it had to be pretty bad. 

Why the LGBTQ+ vitriol? The Vikings also support other marginalized groups. Are they at fault for that too?

I've been to plenty of Vikings games over the Wilf years where they have supported our local armed forces and honored their sacrifices in meaningful ways. 

If by chance they did miss Memorial Day this year, that was a big miss imo. 

I think Zimmers message had grown stale and losing Danielle Hunter the last two seasons, who had been the most important cog of Zimmers defense, was crippling. I had no problem with them moving off Zimmer but I'm not sure what this dysfuctional/toxic front office is all about. Front offices and coaches aren't always going to see eye to eye, but what matters from a front office perspective though is did you supply the roster with enough talent to compete and meet ownership expectations? I'm not sure how you can say Spielman failed at that when we just won 13 games with his roster and players. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

I don't want to turn this political, but I'll just say we are very progressive organization in a very progressive state that just fired two white guys. I'll let you draw your own opinions and conclusions 

Rick supplied us with a window to win it all and that's all you can ask. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent he brought in. The fact that Blair Walsh missed a crucial kick, or Case Keenum took us as far as he could, or that the players stopped listening to Zimmer after the strange 2020 covid season is beyond his control. I'm sure if Rick was given the opportunity he would have moved off Zimmer as well after 2021. Nobody bats 1000 as a GM, you just don't. Even the great Bill Polian had some stinkers. But I think overall Rick did his job and did a good job in the time he was here 

@"purplefaithful" said:

Why the LGBTQ+ vitriol? The Vikings also support other marginalized groups. Are they at fault for that too?

Why do you think, PF? 

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

I don't want to turn this political, but I'll just say we are very progressive organization in a very progressive state that just fired two white guys. I'll let you draw your own opinions and conclusions 

Rick supplied us with a window to win it all and that's all you can ask. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent he brought in. The fact that Blair Walsh missed a crucial kick, or Case Keenum took us as far as he could, or that the players stopped listening to Zimmer after the strange 2020 covid season is beyond his control. I'm sure if Rick was given the opportunity he would have moved off Zimmer as well after 2021. Nobody bats 1000 as a GM, you just don't. Even the great Bill Polian had some stinkers. But I think overall Rick did his job and did a good job in the time he was here 

I think you have a vivid imagination.   The Vikings chose Kwesi because they thought he could revamp the football operation, not "because he's black."   

As for Rick, I think he was slightly above average over his 15+ years.   It was past time for a change.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

I don't want to turn this political, but I'll just say we are very progressive organization in a very progressive state that just fired two white guys. I'll let you draw your own opinions and conclusions 

Rick supplied us with a window to win it all and that's all you can ask. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent he brought in. The fact that Blair Walsh missed a crucial kick, or Case Keenum took us as far as he could, or that the players stopped listening to Zimmer after the strange 2020 covid season is beyond his control. I'm sure if Rick was given the opportunity he would have moved off Zimmer as well after 2021. Nobody bats 1000 as a GM, you just don't. Even the great Bill Polian had some stinkers. But I think overall Rick did his job and did a good job in the time he was here 

I think you have a vivid imagination.   The Vikings chose Kwesi because they thought he could revamp the football operation, not "because he's black."   

As for Rick, I think he was slightly above average over his 15+ years.   It was past time for a change.

"Revamp the football operation?" What does that even mean? In the last two drafts Spielman drafted Jefferson and Darrisaw. Did the football operation really need revamping, especially being that we just won 13 games with Rick's roster?

Kwesi was chosen over guys who had much better resumes, but on the heels of George Floyd and everything else in a politically charged state that they weren't going to hire anything but an African American after just firing two white guys. The two finalists were Poles and Kwesi, with Kwesi being the fallback option after Poles decided to take the Bears job instead. This is what the NFL has been pushing for, so was Kwesi the best candidate, no, but he fit best into the leagues political narrative. Great for the Wilfs appeasing the woke mob, but not great for us as fans having a stats guy in charge of our roster trying to figure this all out as he goes. This is my opinion, but it's not hard to read between the lines and see how this all played out 

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"comet52" said:

@"supafreak84" said:My own personal opinion is he was hired (at least partially) for reasons other than his resume.

 Such as?

I'd take Spielman back in a heart beat.

He had 15+ years at the top of the organization and didn't even get a team into the SB.  Is that the best we can do at g.m.?

I don't want to turn this political, but I'll just say we are very progressive organization in a very progressive state that just fired two white guys. I'll let you draw your own opinions and conclusions 

Rick supplied us with a window to win it all and that's all you can ask. We won 13 games last season on the backs of the talent he brought in. The fact that Blair Walsh missed a crucial kick, or Case Keenum took us as far as he could, or that the players stopped listening to Zimmer after the strange 2020 covid season is beyond his control. I'm sure if Rick was given the opportunity he would have moved off Zimmer as well after 2021. Nobody bats 1000 as a GM, you just don't. Even the great Bill Polian had some stinkers. But I think overall Rick did his job and did a good job in the time he was here 

I think you have a vivid imagination.   The Vikings chose Kwesi because they thought he could revamp the football operation, not "because he's black."   

As for Rick, I think he was slightly above average over his 15+ years.   It was past time for a change.

"Revamp the football operation?" What does that even mean? In the last two drafts Spielman drafted Jefferson and Darrisaw. Did the football operation really need revamping, especially being that we just won 13 games with Rick's roster?

Kwesi was chosen over guys who had much better resumes, but on the heels of George Floyd and everything else in a politically charged state that they weren't going to hire anything but an African American after just firing two white guys. The two finalists were Poles and Kwesi, with Kwesi being the fallback option after Poles decided to take the Bears job instead. This is what the NFL has been pushing for, so was Kwesi the best candidate, no, but he fit best into the leagues political narrative. Great for the Wilfs appeasing the woke mob, but not great for us as fans having a stats guy in charge of our roster trying to figure this all out as he goes. This is my opinion, but it's not hard to read between the lines and see how this all played out 

Rick's football operation wasn't producing playoff runs, and he and his h.c. were totally at each other's throats while he didn't bother to communicate about it clearly to ownership.   Which is why he naively thought he was keeping the g.m. job and watching Mike get fired on the morning that he and Mike were both let go.  The guy was seriously out of touch with reality allowing that mess to fester on his watch and think no one above him would notice or care.

As for the mob that made Wilfs hire a black guy, well, are they so weak-willed that they can't make a hire based on their own analysis of what would work best, but rather some invisible "mob" and imaginary pressure from the NFL dictated that they hire based on race?   I haven't seen any credible evidence of what you're talking about.   Why does it bother you so much that they hired a black g.m.?