Is it just me? Not happy.
I like Addison but with Levis siting right there come on! Option 1.
I would have liked a move down if we really didn't like Levis as option 2.
option 3 - Addison or Porter in that order but not thrilled.
Only first round with no second rounder but two year in a row - armchair Yawn!
@"rf54" said: Show me the huge mistake that was made moving from 87 to 102; remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick... 87. San Francisco 49ers (from MIN) – Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State 88. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn 89. Los Angeles Rams (from NYG) – Kobie Turner, DT, Wake Forest 90. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas 91. Buffalo Bills – Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane 92. Kansas City Chiefs (from CIN) – Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma 93. Pittsburgh Steelers (from SF through CAR) – Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 94. Arizona Cardinals (from PHI) – Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford 95. Cincinnati Bengals (from KC) – Jordan Battle, S, Alabama 96. Detroit Lions (from AZ) * – Brodric Martin, DT, Western Kentucky 97. Washington Commanders * – Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas 98. Cleveland Browns * – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor 99. San Francisco 49ers * – Jake Moody, K, Michigan 100. Las Vegas Raiders (from KC through NYG) * – Tre Tucker, WR, Cincinnati 101. San Francisco 49ers * – Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama
I wouldn't have been upset if we took IKA at the end of the third. To actually have someone who can be a big bodied anchor in the middle and shut down our porous run defense wouldn't be a bad thing. Especially if Flores could improve his technique at rushing the passer. Adebawore and Brooks were still on the board when we selected Blackmon which would have been my choice. Blackmon was a reach. If Kwesi is such a believer in analytics, he must have misread the draft projections that had him as a 5th or 6th round prospect.
@"rf54" said: remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick...
Frankly, I really doubt Kwesi would have said that the trade down made the Vikings miss a couple of prospects that they would have taken over Blackmon. Just sayin'
Have you ever heard a GM say they missed out on someone because of a trade down?
It's official, I miss Spelly whom I always defended. We all know he couldn't find us a franchise QB but last year's 13-3 team was built by him. Although we were a paper tiger in the playoffs.
I really wish we kept Spelly and still hired KOC. We really don't have time for a new GM to find his footing.
The best thing Kwesi has done so far has been the Hock trade. Other than that, not good IMO. D Smith wanted to come here to get back at GB and now he wants out and it looks like we aren't going to get any value for Cook.
This looks like a franchise heading backwards right now when GB has come back to earth of no HOF QB. The Division is ripe for the pickings but to me it does not look like we are taking the mantle at all.
Blackmon is a good pick in my opinion. His draft ranking made no sense based on his production and capability. Age and size hurt him, despite elite production in both pass defense and run defense. I liked Kobie Turner and Ika from that group, but I definitely liked Blackmon more.
This Jay Ward pick is bizarre though.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Riphawkins" said: I think that’s where I’m at. Hell I had a heart artack a yaer ago, A 3 year or 5 year rebuild might do me in. But seriously, I dont want to sit through a few years of crap to hopefully/maybe get back to where they are right now. Nothing is guaranteed, but I thought last season was extremely fun. I’ll take that over doing a complete rebuild.I’d like them to sign Cousins for 5 years, shore up the defense and win a lot more games than they lose, and hopwfully a super bowl gets thrown in there along the way.
Agree. On one hand I'm happy they didn't take a QB. I still think our most likely route to a championship is with Cousins, even with a big contract. But if they didn't sell the farm for a QB, which I was open to, you would hope it was because they wanted trade down and fix the defense. They didn't do that either.
From what I’ve seen other people say, they tried trading down, nobody really wanted to. Maybe they thought Kwesi wasn’t experienced and would bite on a bad trade. He didn’t.You can only trade with willing partners.
@"rf54" said: Show me the huge mistake that was made moving from 87 to 102; remember Kwesi said they would have taken Blackmon at 87 if they made the pick... 87. San Francisco 49ers (from MIN) – Ji’Ayir Brown, S, Penn State 88. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tank Bigsby, RB, Auburn 89. Los Angeles Rams (from NYG) – Kobie Turner, DT, Wake Forest 90. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarvion Overshown, LB, Texas 91. Buffalo Bills – Dorian Williams, LB, Tulane 92. Kansas City Chiefs (from CIN) – Wanya Morris, OT, Oklahoma 93. Pittsburgh Steelers (from SF through CAR) – Darnell Washington, TE, Georgia 94. Arizona Cardinals (from PHI) – Michael Wilson, WR, Stanford 95. Cincinnati Bengals (from KC) – Jordan Battle, S, Alabama 96. Detroit Lions (from AZ) * – Brodric Martin, DT, Western Kentucky 97. Washington Commanders * – Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas 98. Cleveland Browns * – Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor 99. San Francisco 49ers * – Jake Moody, K, Michigan 100. Las Vegas Raiders (from KC through NYG) * – Tre Tucker, WR, Cincinnati 101. San Francisco 49ers * – Cameron Latu, TE, Alabama
My guess is in red
@"StickyBun" said:@"BigAl99" said: Convincing myself this has been good, Addison and Blackmon good players, hopefully our analytics show they are great fits for team plans. TJ Hock, worth a second. Changing from Donatell will have more impact than a rookie, non blue-chip pick. Flores is a good DC and does more than just improve last years fiasco. If we pick up Holton Ahlers from E. Carolina we could have "THE" ultimate Mr. Mankato covered.
Agreed. Let's do it.https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4360131/holton-ahlers
this is what got my attention.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/13/2023-nfl-draft-sleeper-quarterback-holton-ahlers
I like the draft results, but for different reasons.
If a former Biletnikoff winner can take attention away from JJ (KJ Osborne isn't it), then we win that matchup.
Some size comparisons: Steve Smith Sr...5'9", 185 lbs, Danny Amendola...5' 11" 188 lbs, Julian Edelman...5'10 198 lbs
But I liken this draft to having a #2 pick with a sure-fire Pro-Bowler at TE (instead of the Irv Smith Jr failed experiment at #2).
We started the process with only four picks, got a fifth compensatory and ended up with six. What good did it do when Trader Ric had 11 picks? Or in 2005 when we had three #1 picks which included Erasmus James, Marcus Johnson (who?) and Troy Williamson?
I like that we have two potential starting DBs (Cine & Booth), last year's top picks, entering the fray, if they can stay healthy. I have no concerns about Cine, but Booth had a chronic injury history.
Could they have traded up in the third round to get Hooker? Maybe, but they chose not to. None of us were in that room, and I know that I don't get paid to make decisions.
The most intriguing additions to me at the end of the day, were Cincinnati's ILB Pace (136 tackles, 20.5 TFL, 9.0 sacks, four passes defended, and two forced fumbles in 2022. He was a unanimous All-American), and Georgia's Kicker Podlesny to compete with Greg Joseph (61 of 74 on field goals (82.4 percent) and 182 of 184 on extra points (99 percent).
Only downside on Pace is he's considered undersized at 5'10", 231 pounds. But that's more muscle than Eric Kendricks.
For the book on good UDFA's, look up Theilen, Adam.
The one thing I haven't ready from anyone is that these D picks had the Flores' stamp all over them...
What he values traits wise is positional flex; as much as KOC wants that from his WR's. A DL that can line-up on the outside or inside shoulder of an OG, a db that can line-up at the slot or out wide etc...
Its these traits that allow him to disguise and camaflouge pre-snap reads. Not only is he aggressive in attacking, he loves to disguise and shape shift.
@"purplefaithful" said: The one thing I haven't ready from anyone is that these D picks had the Flores' stamp all over them...What he values traits wise is positional flex; as much as KOC wants that from his WR's. A DL that can line-up on the outside or inside shoulder of an OG, a db that can line-up at the slot or out wide etc...
Its these traits that allow him to disguise and camaflouge pre-snap reads. Not only is he aggressive in attacking, he loves to disguise and shape shift.
This was my thought as well. I posted in another thread but I would think he had some say on it. I mean he is going to be coaching them. I am looking forward to seeing him work.
It took me a couple of days but I am over my hissy fit of not taking Levis :)
Like everyone has been saying, no team would know him better.
@"minny65" said: It took me a couple of days but I am over my hissy fit of not taking Levis :)Like everyone has been saying, no team would know him better.
That's really what I think it boils down to... if you were really hoping we would get a potential early round franchise QB in this draft, you were disappointed since we had an opportunity to take a guy (Levis) who was highly rated by the media and draft analysts... And we passed.
There was plenty of chatter the Vikings were going to move up for a QB if the right one fell to a spot where the could get up to. Like Geoff said (and the Vikings draft choices indicated), we were only going after Stroud or Richardson. We had the book on Levis and didn't take him. I'll trust O'Connell on that decision.
If you look at it from the perspective of our early QB targets were gone and we couldn't beat Houston in trade comp for Arizona's pick... We did the best thing. We got a guy who should be a Day 1 starter and can develop into a high end WR2 (and maybe more) to replace Thielen. I had the early round WRs JSN and then Addison. So I was pretty pumped we got him after Johnson and Flowers went just before our pick.
I think we did well considering the picks we had and the direction we pivoted to when both our QB targets went #2 and #3.
@"Wetlander" said:@"minny65" said: It took me a couple of days but I am over my hissy fit of not taking Levis :)Like everyone has been saying, no team would know him better.
That's really what I think it boils down to... if you were really hoping we would get a potential early round franchise QB in this draft, you were disappointed since we had an opportunity to take a guy (Levis) who was highly rated by the media and draft analysts... And we passed.There was plenty of chatter the Vikings were going to move up for a QB if the right one fell to a spot where the could get up to. Like Geoff said (and the Vikings draft choices indicated), we were only going after Stroud or Richardson. We had the book on Levis and didn't take him. I'll trust O'Connell on that decision.
If you look at it from the perspective of our early QB targets were gone and we couldn't beat Houston in trade comp for Arizona's pick... We did the best thing. We got a guy who should be a Day 1 starter and can develop into a high end WR2 (and maybe more) to replace Thielen. I had the early round WRs JSN and then Addison. So I was pretty pumped we got him after Johnson and Flowers went just before our pick.
I think we did well considering the picks we had and the direction we pivoted to when both our QB targets went #2 and #3.
I had Flowers first, then QJ, then JSN, with Addison 4th. But all four were worthy of a 1st round pick. I'd be very curious to know who the Vikings would've taken if all four had been available.It's a little depressing we got the last receiver in a 4-player run, but I've since learned things about Addison that I didn't know before the draft. One, that his deep game is better than I thought it was and, two, that he's a better route runner and separator than I gave him credit for.
Post-draft, after considering who would best fit with JJ, I'd move Addison 3rd behind Flowers and JSN. But who ends up a better pro is anyone's guess. Odds are it will be Addison considering who his WR1 is.
Addison is certainly not a Treadwell, Ruggs or Reagor pick, all of whom I hated and didn't even rank in my top 5.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Wetlander" said:@"minny65" said: It took me a couple of days but I am over my hissy fit of not taking Levis :)Like everyone has been saying, no team would know him better.
That's really what I think it boils down to... if you were really hoping we would get a potential early round franchise QB in this draft, you were disappointed since we had an opportunity to take a guy (Levis) who was highly rated by the media and draft analysts... And we passed.There was plenty of chatter the Vikings were going to move up for a QB if the right one fell to a spot where the could get up to. Like Geoff said (and the Vikings draft choices indicated), we were only going after Stroud or Richardson. We had the book on Levis and didn't take him. I'll trust O'Connell on that decision.
If you look at it from the perspective of our early QB targets were gone and we couldn't beat Houston in trade comp for Arizona's pick... We did the best thing. We got a guy who should be a Day 1 starter and can develop into a high end WR2 (and maybe more) to replace Thielen. I had the early round WRs JSN and then Addison. So I was pretty pumped we got him after Johnson and Flowers went just before our pick.
I think we did well considering the picks we had and the direction we pivoted to when both our QB targets went #2 and #3.
I had Flowers first, then QJ, then JSN, with Addison 4th. But all four were worthy of a 1st round pick. I'd be very curious to know who the Vikings would've taken if all four had been available.It's a little depressing we got the last receiver in a 4-player run, but I've since learned things about Addison that I didn't know before the draft. One, that his deep game is better than I thought it was and, two, that he's a better route runner and separator than I gave him credit for.
Post-draft, after considering who would best fit with JJ, I'd move Addison 3rd behind Flowers and JSN. But who ends up a better pro is anyone's guess. Odds are it will be Addison considering who his WR1 is.
Addison is certainly not a Treadwell, Ruggs or Reagor pick, all of whom I hated and didn't even rank in my top 5.
I had actually moved Mingo up into 3rd in my final rankings behind Hyatt and JSN. Had Addison as my 4th ranked receiver. I just didn't see enough "wow" factor when I watched him on tape this last season. His combination of average to below average size, speed and production made him a tough evaluation in contrast to his Pitt production. I like the fact that we took a swing though because WR #2 was huge on the needs list and a lot of the "experts" absolutely love Addison. NFL Network had him as the rookie receiver likely to make the biggest impact this upcoming season, so I hope that's the case.
Are we going to get the Addison from Pitt? Or the Addison from USC?
I believe he was hurt last year and that threw a bunch of cold water on his stats.
@"minny65" said: It took me a couple of days but I am over my hissy fit of not taking Levis :)Like everyone has been saying, no team would know him better.
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