Updated: Where we're at with the Cap

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

leaving you with zero leadership on D.   not that I disagree,  but unless you are going for a full rebuild,  I dont think you want to completely remove all the veteran faces.

The D has sucked out loud for 2 seasons. The Smith deal was really a head scratcher for me because I knew they'd be in this situation the minute he signed it. Listen, I'm fairly certain Harrison Smith was rarely the problem out there on D, but the dude is 34 years old.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

leaving you with zero leadership on D.   not that I disagree,  but unless you are going for a full rebuild,  I dont think you want to completely remove all the veteran faces.

I like Smith.  Of all the vets they can cut he's the only one I might shed a tear over.  But this is starting to look like a full teardown now.  Just heard they cut Dantzler as well.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

leaving you with zero leadership on D.   not that I disagree,  but unless you are going for a full rebuild,  I dont think you want to completely remove all the veteran faces.

The D has sucked out loud for 2 seasons. The Smith deal was really a head scratcher for me because I knew they'd be in this situation the minute he signed it. Listen, I'm fairly certain Harrison Smith was rarely the problem out there on D, but the dude is 34 years old.

I agree,  I agreed then,  and I agree,  but then I said 5 years ago the way they were starting to back load every deal that it would lead to cap crunches despite the escalating cap,  and it has.   other teams move around like its monopoly money,  the Vikings are scrambling like they are searching under couch cushions for enough to buy a value meal.  we took our shot, but its time to realize that it  wasnt our time and to try and create a new window, not keep clawing at the one that is already closed.  I can see a path to keep the O,  but it doesnt fix the D,  i dont see a 1 year fix for the D and keep KC and the O intact.  so if we are playing for 25 anyway,  then why are we doing it around a QB that is likely falling off when that point comes?  I am just not seeing the plan yet.  Not saying their isnt one,  but to date, not seeing it.

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

The way things appear to be going, the Vikings could have a ridiculous amount of cap space. And who's to say we can't use some of that to fortify the safety position. Jimmie Ward, for example, is a free agent. He graded higher than Smith, is better in coverage, two years younger, and you can get him for about a third of Harry's cap hit. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

Tough call. I'd rather have him than not have him--especially in a Flores defense. But his replacement right now would be a competition between Josh Metellus, who in limited duty was one of the highest graded safeties in the NFL last year, and a 1st round draft pick. It could be a lot worse. And if you cut Harry with a post 6/1 designation, you save $15M. 

The way things appear to be going, the Vikings could have a ridiculous amount of cap space. And who's to say we can't use some of that to fortify the safety position. Jimmie Ward, for example, is a free agent. He graded higher than Smith, is better in coverage, two years younger, and you can get him for about a third of Harry's cap hit. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: I think Harrison Smith has to be a part of the cuts. 

leaving you with zero leadership on D.   not that I disagree,  but unless you are going for a full rebuild,  I dont think you want to completely remove all the veteran faces.

If the Hitman is gone as well, it'll suck since it'll just be another great Viking getting released at the tail end of his career.

That said, we need to get younger and faster on defense.  Tough times.  Vikings really need to get back to spending big money on up and coming young talent instead of keeping large cap numbers tied up in guys who are 30+ yrs old. 

I predict that Jalen Reagor will be cut.  $2,419,000 cap space.  He did not impress, and someone else must be able to field punts.  One of Cousins' 14 picks was his fault when he stopped running his route.  We could quickly end up being $30mm under the cap.

@"Montana Tom" said: I predict that Jalen Reagor will be cut.  $2,419,000 cap space.  He did not impress, and someone else must be able to field punts.  One of Cousins' 14 picks was his fault when he stopped running his route.  We could quickly end up being $30mm under the cap.

Really want to shake it up? Sign Cousins for one more year and maneuver to get QB Anthony Richardson. 

I'm like everyone else, I love all the guy's that we released, but it is time to start paying players for what they can do, as opposed to what they have done.  I don't doubt that these guys will go on to have success elsewhere, but its time for us to get younger and mold the team to the new vision. 

If Harry is let go, its gonna break my heart.  Love that fricken dude. 

@"Montana Tom" said: I predict that Jalen Reagor will be cut.  $2,419,000 cap space.  He did not impress, and someone else must be able to field punts.  One of Cousins' 14 picks was his fault when he stopped running his route.  We could quickly end up being $30mm under the cap.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: I predict that Jalen Reagor will be cut.  $2,419,000 cap space.  He did not impress, and someone else must be able to field punts.  One of Cousins' 14 picks was his fault when he stopped running his route.  We could quickly end up being $30mm under the cap.

Agreed.

Really want to shake it up? Sign Cousins for one more year and maneuver to get QB Anthony Richardson. 

• Offense: $113,876,167
• Defense: $94,763,125
• Special: $871,666

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Montana Tom" said: I predict that Jalen Reagor will be cut.  $2,419,000 cap space.  He did not impress, and someone else must be able to field punts.  One of Cousins' 14 picks was his fault when he stopped running his route.  We could quickly end up being $30mm under the cap.

Agreed.

Really want to shake it up? Sign Cousins for one more year and maneuver to get QB Anthony Richardson. 

Kind of interesting that the Vikings didn’t designate the Thielen cut as post June 1st, could of had alot more space this season. Are the Vikings clearing space for 2024?

@"Kentis" said: Kind of interesting that the Vikings didn’t designate the Thielen cut as post June 1st, could of had alot more space this season. Are the Vikings clearing space for 2024?

One last run with the Captain and then retool next year?

@"El_Padre" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kind of interesting that the Vikings didn’t designate the Thielen cut as post June 1st, could of had alot more space this season. Are the Vikings clearing space for 2024?

One last run with the Captain and then retool next year?

@"Kentis" said: Kind of interesting that the Vikings didn’t designate the Thielen cut as post June 1st, could of had alot more space this season. Are the Vikings clearing space for 2024?

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Kentis" said: Kind of interesting that the Vikings didn’t designate the Thielen cut as post June 1st, could of had alot more space this season. Are the Vikings clearing space for 2024?

I read somewhere that after the cuts of AT and Cam they were nearly $120 million under the cap for 2024.