Dalvin not interested in a pay cut
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I am not outraged by Cook's position; I just saw too many times this year where he cut right when he should have cut left. Keep the following in mind: 
@"VikingOracle" said: I am not outraged by Cook's position; I just saw too many times this year where he cut right when he should have cut left. Keep the following in mind:It wasnt the missed hole here or there that raises a flag on cook for me, its the number of times per game that he would just stop and dance in the backfield instead of taking the 3 yards that were there. 2nd and 7 regularly is better than 2nd and 10 or 11 more often with the occasional 8 to 9 yard gain and the rare bigger run.
@"pattersaur" said:While I do want the Vikings to move on if the financials can’t be worked out, I don’t think you have to have one guy to do it. When AD went down, Asiata wasn’t the guy the Vikings needed, he was a plodder and was the guy who gets you 3 yds consistently, but when Cook went down in ‘17, Latavias Murray and Jerrick McKinnon did very well. Granted Murray was proven, he didn’t however cost a fortune. So, I agree, but also disagree. LolI don't know all of the financials but I hope he's back. Dalvin isn't = AD but this discussion is reminiscent of fans looking at the big money and thinking we can toss him to the side and plug in whoever and get similar results... then we got a season of McKinnon and Asiata stinking out the joint. If the Vikings move on from Dalvin they better at least bring in a David Montgomery-type who is a proven producer rather than assuming Ty Montgomery who has barely ever played, Kene who is fast but small, or even Mattison. I'd be skeptical that guys who are unproven can step right in and get similar numbers to what Dalvin brings. That's a big gamble for a team that will probably once again be leaning heavily on the offense to win games. Sometimes a committee of JAGs works. Philly, KC, BAL for example, but they all have a mobile QB threat as well. Other times teams want or even need real talent at the position (SF, GB, and I'd say MIN).
@"purplefaithful" said:
Ibrahim is getting a 5th round grade from a lot of scouting services. I would to add him in a heart beat and somehow figure out a way to get Schmitz as our new center. He is an older back, 24, but if you can get a guy with his production level in the later rounds it would be too good to pass up, especially if you are moving on from Cook and Mattison. He would be a great fit in our Zone Scheme. As a Gopher Alum, I might be a little biased. :)
I hate to say it this way, because they are humans, but IMO a RB is a burn em up and send em packing position, pound the hell out of them in their early to mid 20s and then let them walk once they hit FA in their mid-late 20s as they have already given you their best in almost every case. really tough not to love on the guys as they really take a pounding for our team, but their chosen position just doesnt merit high money long term contracts.
@"JimmyinSD" said:I think we are in agreement that Dalvin left a lot of yards on the field this season.@"VikingOracle" said: I am not outraged by Cook's position; I just saw too many times this year where he cut right when he should have cut left. Keep the following in mind: It wasnt the missed hole here or there that raises a flag on cook for me, its the number of times per game that he would just stop and dance in the backfield instead of taking the 3 yards that were there. 2nd and 7 regularly is better than 2nd and 10 or 11 more often with the occasional 8 to 9 yard gain and the rare bigger run.
@"TBro" said:@"purplefaithful" said:
Ibrahim is getting a 5th round grade from a lot of scouting services. I would to add him in a heart beat and somehow figure out a way to get Schmitz as our new center. He is an older back, 24, but if you can get a guy with his production level in the later rounds it would be too good to pass up, especially if you are moving on from Cook and Mattison. He would be a great fit in our Zone Scheme. As a Gopher Alum, I might be a little biased. :)
I don’t watch a ton of Gophers football, just highlights mostly. But, the games I do watch, it seem Ibrahim is a decent back and plays hard all the time. If the Vikings can acquire some more picks, I’d say take a shot at him. But, there are a lot of pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball.
Ibrahim is already older than Ty Chandler and way more used (thanks a lot Fleck... 36 carries vs. Iowa???) . With our shortage of draft picks, I'd rather pick up a cheap vet or UDFA back for depth and use the picks to restock the D. Ibrahim has the NFL shelf life of unrefrigerated mayonnaise.
Smart teams don't pay big $ to running backs, especially ones with major wear and tear.
But we aren't a smart team and ownership has figured out they can sell hope and nostalgia endlessly to this fan base in lieu of making tough decisions to produce a contender.
So, more Dalvin! We love that guy, woohoo!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-dalvin-cook-undergoes-surgery-for-shoulder-injury-hes-been-dealing-with-since-2019-per-report/
Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time.
@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time.thats pretty shrewd on team Cooks part.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Exactly what I thought after reading this. Interesting time to fix issues from a 2019 injury.@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time. thats pretty shrewd on team Cooks part.
@"1VikesFan" said:good way of controlling where he ends up, but this will pretty much guarantee he doesnt see the money that his current deal was supposed to pay out.@"JimmyinSD" said:Exactly what I thought after reading this. Interesting time to fix issues from a 2019 injury.@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time. thats pretty shrewd on team Cooks part.
@"JimmyinSD" said:Well, we don't know for sure that the team didn't encourage the surgery...or even that Dalvin is not in their plans for '23.@"1VikesFan" said:good way of controlling where he ends up, but this will pretty much guarantee he doesnt see the money that his current deal was supposed to pay out.@"JimmyinSD" said:Exactly what I thought after reading this. Interesting time to fix issues from a 2019 injury.@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time. thats pretty shrewd on team Cooks part.
@"VikingOracle" said: I am not outraged by Cook's position; I just saw too many times this year where he cut right when he should have cut left. Keep the following in mind:So if I am reading that right, signing Blount for 960,000 would be our best chance.
@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time.Seems doubtful that a trade would be likely given his salary.
@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time. Seems doubtful that a trade would be likely given his salary.I think his guaranteed money is all but gone, $2 milion in 2023 guaranteed salary left…
@"Kentis" said:@"greediron" said:@"MaroonBells" said: Read somewhere that this surgery could prevent the Vikings from trading Cook (if they so choose), since he wouldn't be able to pass a physical in time. Seems doubtful that a trade would be likely given his salary.I think his guaranteed money is all but gone, $2 milion in 2023 guaranteed salary left…
I think if a team traded for him they would get him for about 10.5 for 23, and about 12 in 24, those are the base numbers in his deal over the next 2 years. Especially now coming off a surgery IMO he is likely more of a question mark and would get less in any new deals if the team were to cut him due to him refusing to take a pay cut.
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