What the fuck

@"Vanguard83" said: slitting my wrists....wheres my electric razor?

We all knew how it would end.  we wouldnt get past the Niners

Oh no! Is that the voice of reason I'm hearing?
Most successful teams have had to knock on the playoff door a time or three before they can break through.
So the goal is to improve and get back there next year. 
There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth and consternation about coaching or scheme. But the bottom line is the improvement part. They need better personnel. They don't have the players they need to be competitive at several positions. Championship teams are solid from top to bottom. Vikes aren't there yet.
Kwesi is going to have to earn his money this off season.

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Offense was outscored the first 3 quarters all year,  the D giving up points doesn't prevent the O from answering,  all year the blame has been on the D,  but the O has repeatedly failed to answer the bell until they are down a couple score and forced to get aggressive,   some of that is play calling,  but some of that is on Kirk and the rest of the O.  Remember when the damn O is going 3 and out for a quarter or more, its the D that pays the price and they didnt need any more challenges.

2 of the 4 regular season losses the opponents scored 40 or more. The Lions hung 34 on us.  Losing to the Eagles 2nd rated defense at the beginning of the season is understandable.

Expecting this offense to keep answering the bell is a nice thought, but not realistic. The other teams also have defenses, and this offense would have to be near perfect. Of the teams still in playoff contention, 6 are in the top 10 defensively. Having the 31st rated defense makes it hard for me fathom this team actually won 13 games.

31/39 273 2TD 0int. 

WTF else would you like the guy to do?

Should he play defense as well?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Offense was outscored the first 3 quarters all year,  the D giving up points doesn't prevent the O from answering,  all year the blame has been on the D,  but the O has repeatedly failed to answer the bell until they are down a couple score and forced to get aggressive,   some of that is play calling,  but some of that is on Kirk and the rest of the O.  Remember when the damn O is going 3 and out for a quarter or more, it’s the D that pays the price and they didnt need any more challenges.

That’s a weird spin. But, I guess you’re entitled to saying what you want. 
I guess the offense is supposed to score every time they have the ball. Because every other team’s offense does that. The defense was hot garbage all year. They played well once in a while. 
I blame none of this game on the offense. The one questionable play call was the throw back to Cousins. But that wasn’t on Cousins.

Really?  None of it on the O?  Bradbury was on rollerskates all game once again,  wide open receivers go unnoticed,  play calls into the teeth of the defense...but those are defensive failures?  I am not ignoring how bad our defense was this year,   but lets not pretend that our O is not and has not been an issue far to often this year? 

 The move to a 34 was a mistake given our personnel and that was known before the season started, and has been used as an excuse for our Os failure to play up to the opponent all season.  It was a nice first season for a new coaching staff,  but was it the best for the longterm success of the team?

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Offense was outscored the first 3 quarters all year,  the D giving up points doesn't prevent the O from answering,  all year the blame has been on the D,  but the O has repeatedly failed to answer the bell until they are down a couple score and forced to get aggressive,   some of that is play calling,  but some of that is on Kirk and the rest of the O.  Remember when the damn O is going 3 and out for a quarter or more, its the D that pays the price and they didnt need any more challenges.

2 of the 4 regular season losses the opponents scored 40 or more. The Lions hung 34 on us.  Losing to the Eagles 2nd rated defense at the beginning of the season is understandable.

Expecting this offense to keep answering the bell is a nice thought, but not realistic. The other teams also have defenses, and this offense would have to be near perfect. Of the teams still in playoff contention, 6 are in the top 10 defensively. Having the 31st rated defense makes it hard for me fathom this team actually won 13 games.

2 of the teams regular season Ioses we didn't score more than 7,  another less than 18. Let's not pretend there isn't issues on O.  I'm not saying the D doesn't need an overhaul,  but there needs to be some major looks at the O as well. 

All 4 of our regular season losses were against playoff teams,   3 of the 4 we really weren't in the game and that wasn't a defensive failure alone,  our high power high drafted,  high paid O just couldn't answer the bell. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

That last pass from KC was a terrible decision, very triggering for me back to check down Charlie

Dumb 3/1 call by KOC too

Inexplicable, those two calls by the O.

one in the first half, one in the second

BUT GAWD, how does kirk throw it 3 yds short on the final play, needing 9.

GAWD

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

@"IDVikingfan" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Last play on fourth down which determines the end of the season.  Why not throw beyond the yard of gain?  May have a low probability of success with a longer throw but a pass well short of the sticks also has a low probability.  IMO, a bad decision.

I would have watched the game against the 49er's but would give the MV a low probability of winning.  SF is simply a better team.

Today's game was lost by our inept defense.  The DC has gotta go and we need definitely need some new talent on the D side.  KOC and KAM have their work cut out for them.  Keeping the current DC will piss off a lot of fans...

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

Listening to KFAN, Lawrence looped around Bradbury and Cleveland and got to Cousins before he had time to let the routes develop so he heaved it  TJ hoping for a prayer after the catch. 

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

Listening to KFAN, Lawrence looped around Bradbury and Cleveland and got to Cousins before he had time to let the routes develop so he heaved it  TJ hoping for a prayer after the catch. 

sko𝑳 https://t.co/3u1DkrdjlH

— New York Giants (@Giants) January 16, 2023

The last pass was a terrible decision, no QB is throwing that, but the blame goes to KOC for calling a play that would have your 2nd best receiver not past the 1st down marker.  Defense was awful, we knew that was going to happen, but offense just self destructed too many times.  I put this loss on KOC, just awful play calling, not sure why he insists on running screens, especially when they couldn't stop us downfield.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Offense was outscored the first 3 quarters all year,  the D giving up points doesn't prevent the O from answering,  all year the blame has been on the D,  but the O has repeatedly failed to answer the bell until they are down a couple score and forced to get aggressive,   some of that is play calling,  but some of that is on Kirk and the rest of the O.  Remember when the damn O is going 3 and out for a quarter or more, its the D that pays the price and they didnt need any more challenges.

2 of the 4 regular season losses the opponents scored 40 or more. The Lions hung 34 on us.  Losing to the Eagles 2nd rated defense at the beginning of the season is understandable.

Expecting this offense to keep answering the bell is a nice thought, but not realistic. The other teams also have defenses, and this offense would have to be near perfect. Of the teams still in playoff contention, 6 are in the top 10 defensively. Having the 31st rated defense makes it hard for me fathom this team actually won 13 games.

2 of the teams regular season Ioses we didn't score more than 7,  another less than 18. Let's not pretend there isn't issues on O.  I'm not saying the D doesn't need an overhaul,  but there needs to be some major looks at the O as well. 

All 4 of our regular season losses were against playoff teams,   3 of the 4 we really weren't in the game and that wasn't a defensive failure alone,  our high power high drafted,  high paid O just couldn't answer the bell. 

@"Riphawkins" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Riphawkins" said: Meh

You’re going to blame another thing on Kirk? Was anyone else open? Had he thrown a pick, you’d be pissed about that too.

Had they won, you’d be pissed when SF blew them out next week. 

It was a good season with a lot of fun games. Super Bowl wasn’t even thought of at the end of last season or the beginning of the year.

The defense let this team down, not Kirk’s last throw. At the very least, question the right things. Kirk’s play this entire year kept them in games when the defense shit the bed.

Offense was outscored the first 3 quarters all year,  the D giving up points doesn't prevent the O from answering,  all year the blame has been on the D,  but the O has repeatedly failed to answer the bell until they are down a couple score and forced to get aggressive,   some of that is play calling,  but some of that is on Kirk and the rest of the O.  Remember when the damn O is going 3 and out for a quarter or more, its the D that pays the price and they didnt need any more challenges.

2 of the 4 regular season losses the opponents scored 40 or more. The Lions hung 34 on us.  Losing to the Eagles 2nd rated defense at the beginning of the season is understandable.

Expecting this offense to keep answering the bell is a nice thought, but not realistic. The other teams also have defenses, and this offense would have to be near perfect. Of the teams still in playoff contention, 6 are in the top 10 defensively. Having the 31st rated defense makes it hard for me fathom this team actually won 13 games.

2 of the teams regular season Ioses we didn't score more than 7,  another less than 18. Let's not pretend there isn't issues on O.  I'm not saying the D doesn't need an overhaul,  but there needs to be some major looks at the O as well. 

All 4 of our regular season losses were against playoff teams,   3 of the 4 we really weren't in the game and that wasn't a defensive failure alone,  our high power high drafted,  high paid O just couldn't answer the bell. 

GB didn’t make the playoffs.

Not blaming the loss on Cousins at all but that last throw was fucking stupid.

Sorry you can paint the loss any you want it's not going change the dumb of that last pass.

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

Listening to KFAN, Lawrence looped around Bradbury and Cleveland and got to Cousins before he had time to let the routes develop so he heaved it  TJ hoping for a prayer after the catch. 

If that is the case, then the problem is on Bradbury and Cleveland because Cousins was not given enough time to let the other routes develop.

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

Listening to KFAN, Lawrence looped around Bradbury and Cleveland and got to Cousins before he had time to let the routes develop so he heaved it  TJ hoping for a prayer after the catch. 

How the heck do we acquire a stud like Lawrence for our IDL?

KC got the s hit kicked out of him all year and he came up big. But we cant count on him being an ironman forever. 

lol, the title of this thread is perfect. 

@"mgobluevikes" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"TBro" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"TBro" said: As good as Cousins played most of the game, he will be remembered by a Checkdown Pass that had no chance for a first down. Game over. Baffling. 

Much more complicated than that.  I think TJH was the first read and they went to that well one to many times.  Giants switched up their defense, KOC made a bad call and Cousins should have audibled out of the called play.

Listening to KFAN, Lawrence looped around Bradbury and Cleveland and got to Cousins before he had time to let the routes develop so he heaved it  TJ hoping for a prayer after the catch. 

How the heck do we acquire a stud like Lawrence for our IDL?

KC got the s hit kicked out of him all year and he came up big. But we cant count on him being an ironman forever. 

Zimmer only had hard ons for DB's and we settle on picking up tier 2-3 FA's instead of scouting true studs. Same has been true for interior OL. This team likes shiny things.