Death of analytics

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"peacebringer" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: Sorry, but tis was NOT a good start to this regime. This was a complete shitting of the bed. I get you want to do something your way. But this was not the time to do it. If you don't end up being the smartest person in the room.... after doing this.... Yer the dumbest. And a multi million dollar operation where winning is all that matters has no time to wait on youto figure it out. 

I was not sad to see zim and rick go....that doesn't mean that I have to have faith that these guys will be worlds better. It is quite possible that we are still in a bad situation. Hope it all works out but I haven't seen anything to get excited about. 

This was a loss in trade value no doubt.

not according to ESPN trade analyzer, vikings to the plus side per them. 

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This is what I found on ESPN:

My take: There's no way to round off this edge. The Vikings didn't get the kind of slam-dunk value you would hope to get in exchange for trading down 20 spots in the first round. They in essence swapped first- and second-round picks with the Lions, going from No. 12 to No. 32 in the first and from No. 46 to No. 34 in the second, in exchange for an early pick in the third round (No. 66 overall). Ultimately, new general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah decided he was better off making the deal than turning it down, even if it wasn't a rout on any trade charts. In the process, he passed at No. 12 on a higher-regarded safety in Notre Dame's Kyle Hamilton. If nothing else, Adofo-Mensah left a clear trail for second-guessing his first-ever draft pick.

Right on Peace. Its crazy watching everyone meltdown but we are emotional beings lol.  

We’ll know about this draft in 2-3 years. 

@"Bullazin" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"peacebringer" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: Sorry, but tis was NOT a good start to this regime. This was a complete shitting of the bed. I get you want to do something your way. But this was not the time to do it. If you don't end up being the smartest person in the room.... after doing this.... Yer the dumbest. And a multi million dollar operation where winning is all that matters has no time to wait on youto figure it out. 

I was not sad to see zim and rick go....that doesn't mean that I have to have faith that these guys will be worlds better. It is quite possible that we are still in a bad situation. Hope it all works out but I haven't seen anything to get excited about. 

This was a loss in trade value no doubt.

not according to ESPN trade analyzer, vikings to the plus side per them. 

Quote?  Link?

This is what I found on ESPN:

My take: There's no way to round off this edge. The Vikings didn't get the kind of slam-dunk value you would hope to get in exchange for trading down 20 spots in the first round. They in essence swapped first- and second-round picks with the Lions, going from No. 12 to No. 32 in the first and from No. 46 to No. 34 in the second, in exchange for an early pick in the third round (No. 66 overall). Ultimately, new general manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah decided he was better off making the deal than turning it down, even if it wasn't a rout on any trade charts. In the process, he passed at No. 12 on a higher-regarded safety in Notre Dame's Kyle Hamilton. If nothing else, Adofo-Mensah left a clear trail for second-guessing his first-ever draft pick.

Google vikings trade

Draft trades are very black and white, everyone uses the same chart (not these obscure charts some are trying to use to justify the trade).  You can look at every trade that is made during the draft and they all follow the same formula.  Cine can be an all pro and it will never negate the fact that our GM went to the bank to cash a hundred and walked out with a fifty and some change.  

If you look at the other trades that involved only draft pick compensation last night the team that moved down received more points based on the compensation charts. That didn't happen with the Minnesota/Detroit trade.

After reading KAM's comments on the trade, it's still not clear to me who initiated the trade. After Stingley & Sauce were off the board was Minnesota so desperate to move out of #12 that they just took the best deal available? If so, that's really disappointing.

Given all the other teams that traded up last night, it's hard to believe that the Detroit offer was the best that they could do. 

Clown Show

Brad Holmes reportedly told folks that they expected the Vikes to demand at least a first and they were ready to pay it. Kwesi must not have wanted another pick next year. Doesn't make a lot of sense but hopefully the guys we select make up for it

@"Hawkvike25" said: Brad Holmes reportedly told folks that they expected the Vikes to demand at least a first and they were ready to pay it. Kwesi must not have wanted another pick next year. Doesn't make a lot of sense but hopefully the guys we select make up for it

If that's the case then "Daddy" Holmes just spanked the whiz kid pretty hard and I think that's pretty plain to see at this point. I didn't like Kwesi's explanation for the trade down. Almost like they set up these draft scenarios and then when certain players they liked went off the board, the "plan" was to bail on the pick in a trade down regardless of what that deal was. The Lions shitty offer was the best offer, so they stuck with "the plan" and took the offer. I don't know what analytical bullshit that was but it just shows a lack of awareness and not taking circumstances into consideration. It's a new GM who's background is stocks and analytics getting spanked in his first draft. 

@"peacebringer" said:

@"kmillard" said:

@"Mike Olson" said: Sorry, but tis was NOT a good start to this regime. This was a complete shitting of the bed. I get you want to do something your way. But this was not the time to do it. If you don't end up being the smartest person in the room.... after doing this.... Yer the dumbest. And a multi million dollar operation where winning is all that matters has no time to wait on youto figure it out. 

I was not sad to see zim and rick go....that doesn't mean that I have to have faith that these guys will be worlds better. It is quite possible that we are still in a bad situation. Hope it all works out but I haven't seen anything to get excited about. 

This was a loss in trade value no doubt.

not according to ESPN trade analyzer, vikings to the plus side per them. 

@"supafreak84" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said: Brad Holmes reportedly told folks that they expected the Vikes to demand at least a first and they were ready to pay it. Kwesi must not have wanted another pick next year. Doesn't make a lot of sense but hopefully the guys we select make up for it

If that's the case then "Daddy" Holmes just spanked the whiz kid pretty hard and I think that's pretty plain to see at this point. I didn't like Kwesi's explanation for the trade down. Almost like they set up these draft scenarios and then when certain players they liked went off the board, the "plan" was to bail on the pick in a trade down regardless of what that deal was. The Lions shitty offer was the best offer, so they stuck with "the plan" and took the offer. I don't know what analytical bullshit that was but it just shows a lack of awareness and not taking circumstances into consideration. It's a new GM who's background is stocks and analytics getting spanked in his first draft. 

Fleeced by the Lions in your first draft... bad start.