I hope KC proves a lot of people wrong

@"Hawkvike25" said: Going back to saying Kirk is an easy target...he posted this morning that he bought a new van since the old one is no longer. It's not funny, it's just weird funny. I kinda see him as the type of guy that when he tells a joke he has the abrupt loud laugh that makes people awkward. 

who cares.  He is paid to be a QB, not a tiktok star.  Cam Newton is weird, dresses weird and gets flak as well. But who cares, it was his business decisions on the field that tarnished him.  Kaepernick was weird as well, but it was his inability to read defenses and make passes from the pocket that ended his career.  Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, all sorts of criminal elements in the league and they get to play because they can tackle and run.  

So there is an odd dorky but talented Christian QB and they attract all this hate.

59-59 -2 record isn’t exactly a record to be proud of. And he has had super bowl coaches and some good talent.
Lets hope Kirk can get it done this year.

@"Norse" said: 59-59 -2 record isn’t exactly a record to be proud of. And he has had super bowl coaches and some good talent. Lets hope Kirk can get it done this year.

Yep, 86-95-1 is worse. Sure would suck to finish 117-117. Would be a lot cooler if he had a record of 58-55. 

Oh sorry, forgot 10 other guys play on offense and then 11 guys play on defense. Didnt realize we were posting meaningless stats for one player out of 53.

Breaking news:

Kirk’s a new man w/ a new van…! ;)  B) 

@"Norse" said: 59-59 -2 record isn’t exactly a record to be proud of. And he has had super bowl coaches and some good talent. Lets hope Kirk can get it done this year.

Kirk is a good QB and would be a good QB on probably any team in the NFL. We were 13-3 in 2017 before he got here and haven’t sniffed anything close to that rarified air ever since. 

Is Kirk the problem? No! But this team not being good is a problem, and he’s part of that team. I’m glad ownership has shaked things up in the FO and sidelines. Hopefully that’s enough to get things moving in the right direction. If not, then a bigger shakeup is in order and that likely means moving on from many of our “stars”, including Kirk. This season will be very important. Hopefully this isn’t a controversial take. To me it’s plain as day. 

@"Hawkvike25" said: I mean if that poster thinks Minnesota fans are bad, I'd hate to see he/she spend time on the Jets or Eagles message board. Those Philly/Jersey fans are borderline psychos. 

We sure are  ;)

I just say that as a Vikings fan from Jersey. Seeing a game over in Philly is NOT my idea of a good time.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"Norse" said: 59-59 -2 record isn’t exactly a record to be proud of. And he has had super bowl coaches and some good talent. Lets hope Kirk can get it done this year.

Yep, 86-95-1 is worse. Sure would suck to finish 117-117. Would be a lot cooler if he had a record of 58-55. 

Oh sorry, forgot 10 other guys play on offense and then 11 guys play on defense. Didnt realize we were posting meaningless stats for one player out of 53.

I'm sure there'll be some adjustment for Kirk when it comes to learning the new offense, but I think he'll acclimate pretty quickly as others have mentioned. He did play under KOC/McVay in Washington so there should be some familiarity, and he's a pretty smart guy regardless who's basically had to learn a new offense almost every year he's been in the league.

I think he'll be fine, and this year should be a good litmus test as to who he is as a QB. Hopefully KOC does for him what the Rams were able to do for Stafford, which was change the narrative about him.

@"Norse" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"Norse" said: 59-59 -2 record isn’t exactly a record to be proud of. And he has had super bowl coaches and some good talent. Lets hope Kirk can get it done this year.

Yep, 86-95-1 is worse. Sure would suck to finish 117-117. Would be a lot cooler if he had a record of 58-55. 

Oh sorry, forgot 10 other guys play on offense and then 11 guys play on defense. Didnt realize we were posting meaningless stats for one player out of 53.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

You do realize that what you posted benefits my argument and worsens yours right? Team game. Kirk isnt the sole reason we win or lose and the same goes for every player on that list. W/L is not a QB stat

I disagree with you. Cousins record compared to them other Qb is pretty aweful.
Cousins doesnt really do nothing to elevate the players or team. What has Cousins done for the Vikings since he has been here? 
Keenum elevated the players as a team. Their record showed it.

This pretty much sums up Cousins play: Yeah it was a tough day, didn’t do enough to win…but made about $2.75million today, so I’m good.

Edit: Now win Loss isn’t a QB stat. You take the W/L stat away...Cousins doesn’t look so bad =) =)
Maybe you should tell Brady his wins don’t count.

@"Norse" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

You do realize that what you posted benefits my argument and worsens yours right? Team game. Kirk isnt the sole reason we win or lose and the same goes for every player on that list. W/L is not a QB stat

I disagree with you. Cousins record compared to them other Qb is pretty aweful.
Cousins doesnt really do nothing to elevate the players or team. What has Cousins done for the Vikings since he has been here? 
Keenum elevated the players as a team. Their record showed it.

This pretty much sums up Cousins play: Yeah it was a tough day, didn’t do enough to win…but made about $2.75million today, so I’m good.

So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball.
To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs.
For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid.
I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

Im not sure what you see on TV, but I dont see Kirk playing defense or special teams. I didnt see Kirk playing on a defense that was almost worst in the NFL this year. I didnt see him miss the FG vs Arizona, I thought it was someone else? You want wins? Lets go get Jimmy G, im sure you will love him and Im sure his winning record would be the same in MN because thats what happens right? QBs just win wherever they go, regardless of the other players on the team

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

He's getting a lot of money....to produce. A QB is the most important player on the field, but he's not 100% responsible for wins and losses. A QB doesn't play defense. He can't control a fumble by a RB or WR. He doesn't play on special teams. He doesn't kick FGs. The team had historic letdowns on defense last year, truly unreal. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

He's getting a lot of money....to produce. A QB is the most important player on the field, but he's not 100% responsible for wins and losses. A QB doesn't play defense. He can't control a fumble by a RB or WR. He doesn't play on special teams. He doesn't kick FGs. The team had historic letdowns on defense last year, truly unreal. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

He's getting a lot of money....to produce. A QB is the most important player on the field, but he's not 100% responsible for wins and losses. A QB doesn't play defense. He can't control a fumble by a RB or WR. He doesn't play on special teams. He doesn't kick FGs. The team had historic letdowns on defense last year, truly unreal. 

What's shocking to me is that despite an historically bad defense, this team was in every single game it played. There were only three teams in the NFL last year who lost only one game by more than 7 points. One was 13-4, the other was 11-6, the other was the Vikings.

How they were able to do that with the 30th ranked defense is beyond me. But it says a lot about the offense...and Kirk Cousins. 

@"ArizonaViking" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

He's getting a lot of money....to produce. A QB is the most important player on the field, but he's not 100% responsible for wins and losses. A QB doesn't play defense. He can't control a fumble by a RB or WR. He doesn't play on special teams. He doesn't kick FGs. The team had historic letdowns on defense last year, truly unreal. 

What's shocking to me is that despite an historically bad defense, this team was in every single game it played. There were only three teams in the NFL last year who lost only one game by more than 7 points. One was 13-4, the other was 11-6, the other was the Vikings.

How they were able to do that with the 30th ranked defense is beyond me. But it says a lot about the offense...and Kirk Cousins. 

I just can't understand or fathom how all wins/losses are entirely laid at Cousins' feet...To single out one player on a team (Yes, I already know the QB is the most important player on the team) from an entire roster and not hold anyone else accountable is beyond me...

@"Norse" said: So this is all about Cousins can throw a good deep ball. To me its all about wins...Thats what gets you to the playoffs. For what Cousin got brought in to do, and the money he is getting paid. I wouldn’t be proud of that record at all! 

Have you been a fan of the Vikings since the Philly special?  Ever since then our defense has been shit.  The last 2 years it was historically bad.  Even just an average defense last year and we make the playoffs. 

Kirk has his faults for sure, but there is more to W/L then the QB. 

Back to the OP - I hope KC proves me wrong because I don't think he is the "guy" plus I don't think we are only a player or two away (draft/FA) from being a strong playoff team.  Many others disagree with me but I am pulling for KC to prove me wrong.  I will say that I certainly don't think we, as an organization, have gotten even a decent ROI in KC.  If he puts up Top 10 stats again and we are a 9-8 or a no risk 10-7 one and done it is full rebuild mode for me and we will have to rebuild around a huge (record setting) dead cap hit.  Actually, I wanted a way out of KC and rebuild this offseason but "you can't always get what ya want" or even "get what you need" (SB).  

So yes, KC has to prove to almost everyone, including himself that he is worth the money he has earned.   

@"minny65" said: Back to the OP - I hope KC proves me wrong because I don't think he is the "guy" plus I don't think we are only a player or two away (draft/FA) from being a strong playoff team.  Many others disagree with me but I am pulling for KC to prove me wrong.  I will say that I certainly don't think we, as an organization, have gotten even a decent ROI in KC.  If he puts up Top 10 stats again and we are a 9-8 or a no risk 10-7 one and done it is full rebuild mode for me and we will have to rebuild around a huge (record setting) dead cap hit.  Actually, I wanted a way out of KC and rebuild this offseason but "you can't always get what ya want" or even "get what you need" (SB).  

So yes, KC has to prove to almost everyone, including himself that he is worth the money he has earned.   

So Minny, you don't think we're one or two players away? How come you've never said that before?  B)

Anyway, I agree. I think we're already a playoff contender. :-)