I hope KC proves a lot of people wrong

I think there’s a lot of unknowns and inexperience in the
offensive coaching staff, but we’re one of the more talented offensive rosters.  My gut feeling says we’ll be a top 10 but not
top 5 offensive team, probably pretty similar to last year.  I think if we’re going to be a top overall
team it will be on the back of being an elite offensive team, and I’ll be
tickled pink if they end up elite on offense.

@"medaille" said: I think there’s a lot of unknowns and inexperience in the offensive coaching staff, but we’re one of the more talented offensive rosters.  My gut feeling says we’ll be a top 10 but not top 5 offensive team, probably pretty similar to last year.  I think if we’re going to be a top overall team it will be on the back of being an elite offensive team, and I’ll be tickled pink if they end up elite on offense.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

@"SDCAVIKESFAN" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

One could also say his D was figured out.  Just look at the Philly NFCCG, his defense was in tact the next year but Philly showed how to play Zim and he did not learn to adjust.  The QB was an easy excuse for him.  Remember this is a guy that threw everyone under the bus saying they need to play better never taking the blame for not having the team prepared for big games.  Just look at his record against winning teams. I am in no way a Kirkistanian but I am more than willing to give Kirk a year with KOC and see if he can put it together.  I

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

I think the NFL's focus on offense killed his D.  DBs couldn't press like his D needed and so he had to move to more cover 2 type of D.  Then the CBs he made into stars left for bigger contracts and he was left with rookies and castoffs.  No D is going to do well with what was trotted out to start the last 2 years.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

I think the NFL's focus on offense killed his D.  DBs couldn't press like his D needed and so he had to move to more cover 2 type of D.  Then the CBs he made into stars left for bigger contracts and he was left with rookies and castoffs.  No D is going to do well with what was trotted out to start the last 2 years.

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

I think the NFL's focus on offense killed his D.  DBs couldn't press like his D needed and so he had to move to more cover 2 type of D.  Then the CBs he made into stars left for bigger contracts and he was left with rookies and castoffs.  No D is going to do well with what was trotted out to start the last 2 years.

he moved to more zone when his studs ceased to be studs.  if he had CBs that could still run with receivers he would have been fine, if he could have stopped the run with the front 4 and not have had to commit Harry into the run stop scheme all the time,  that would have left more bodies in throwing lanes on the back side that would have helped those inferior corners.  yes more emphasis on PI made a difference, but Rhodes decline and Waynes never really becoming a good man defender...well that was an issue, but IMO it all started with the decline of LJ and not being able to stop the run.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"Zanary" said: What's actually sad is that it's news that he has a head coach that speaks with him, this time around...!

Not defending Zimmer here,  but who has the better NFL resume,  Zimmer or Spielman?  If zim says the qb ain't gonna work and RS says he will....based on past experience,   who you gonna believe?  Zim was hired based on winning with the D,  he was close but the brain trust decided he needed a high dollar QB and yhat didn't produce and it cost him his D. Again,  not a defense of Zim not being a pro HC,   but at the same time  he was kinda killing it on D until they decided to dump all the cap space and draft picks into  the O.

I think the NFL's focus on offense killed his D.  DBs couldn't press like his D needed and so he had to move to more cover 2 type of D.  Then the CBs he made into stars left for bigger contracts and he was left with rookies and castoffs.  No D is going to do well with what was trotted out to start the last 2 years.

he moved to more zone when his studs ceased to be studs.  if he had CBs that could still run with receivers he would have been fine, if he could have stopped the run with the front 4 and not have had to commit Harry into the run stop scheme all the time,  that would have left more bodies in throwing lanes on the back side that would have helped those inferior corners.  yes more emphasis on PI made a difference, but Rhodes decline and Waynes never really becoming a good man defender...well that was an issue, but IMO it all started with the decline of LJ and not being able to stop the run.

Rhodes decline started when he became a PI magnet and then his planet Xe personality kicked in.  Waynes was much better than he ever got credit for here (see the huge contract).  

But yes, he decline of LJ was the crack in the foundation.  Then Pierce opted out.  

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

I mean if that poster thinks Minnesota fans are bad, I'd hate to see he/she spend time on the Jets or Eagles message board. Those Philly/Jersey fans are borderline psychos. 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

@"Hawkvike25" said: I mean if that poster thinks Minnesota fans are bad, I'd hate to see he/she spend time on the Jets or Eagles message board. Those Philly/Jersey fans are borderline psychos. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

@"bigbone62" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

I have no doubt other teams fans have similar mentally incapacitated folks I just think ours are king with some of the ridiculous things they choose to critique. 

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

I have no doubt other teams fans have similar mentally incapacitated folks I just think ours are king with some of the ridiculous things they choose to critique. 

Well Kirk is also a pretty easy target. He's weird, kinda seems socially awkward, and the comments about he and Zimmer's relationship make it easy to critique or poke fun at stuff like this. Could be me being bias but I don't think Vikings fans are overall near the top for crazy fan bases. Philly takes the cake. Bills fans are nuts. Jets fans are nuts. Bears fans when they had Cutler were wild too as I was in college during his early years there and the Chicago kids at Iowa said some wild crap about him/the team. Cant forget about Cowboys and Raiders fans too.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: How many NFL QBs would make headlines by sitting in the front for a team meeting?  That is pretty sad that it is even a topic of discussion. 

How many QBs have a group of fans who are mentally ill enough to scour the interwebs for ridiculous reasons to obsessively shit on them? I'm sure other teams fans critiqued their players dodge ball skills at the Pro Bowl as much as the mental midgets critiqued KC's.

This is with all team's fans, not just Minnesota. Social media is all about its either absolutely great, the best ever in history or its sucks beyond belief. Very bipolar. Twitter comments are a sewer of hyperbole and toxicity. If you want a narrative to run with, there is one to suit every kind of thought or opinion. Content is king, as long as its a strong opinion......quality or correctness has nothing to do with it. 

I have no doubt other teams fans have similar mentally incapacitated folks I just think ours are king with some of the ridiculous things they choose to critique. 

Well Kirk is also a pretty easy target. He's weird, kinda seems socially awkward, and the comments about he and Zimmer's relationship make it easy to critique or poke fun at stuff like this. Could be me being bias but I don't think Vikings fans are overall near the top for crazy fan bases. Philly takes the cake. Bills fans are nuts. Jets fans are nuts. Bears fans when they had Cutler were wild too as I was in college during his early years there and the Chicago kids at Iowa said some wild crap about him/the team. Cant forget about Cowboys and Raiders fans too.

Going back to saying Kirk is an easy target...he posted this morning that he bought a new van since the old one is no longer. It's not funny, it's just weird funny. I kinda see him as the type of guy that when he tells a joke he has the abrupt loud laugh that makes people awkward.