Kipers latest says...
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
Stingley Jr.’s draft stock has been a whirlwind this year. Based on his performance in 2019 — yes, three years ago — some consider the LSU alumnus the best player in the whole damn draft. Yet, he hasn’t played an entire season since then. More recently, he was beset by a Lisfranc injury, temporarily dampening his draft stock.
Then, though, he executed a marvelous Pro Day, shooing to the side any concerns about his latest injury. His Pro Day was so fruitful that he might now become a Top 10 prospect.
However, Kiper still insists Stingley finds a way to remain in purple and gold threads, uniting with the Vikings:
“This is a great fit for both sides. The Vikings could get a corner with an elite, All-Pro ceiling and plug a hole, while Stingley could join a team with a few other former LSU stars (Justin Jefferson, Danielle Hunter, Patrick Peterson). The worry on Stingley is that his best tape is from 2019, when he starred as a true freshman. Can he return to form in the NFL — and stay healthy? That’s a risk teams will have to consider. Still, I feel better making that bet at No. 12 than if I was picking in the top five.“Minnesota needs cornerbacks for long-term planning, and Stingley Jr. is a conduit for the plan.
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Now, the purple masses — collegiately and professionally — wait to see if Stingley falls out of the Top 10.
Tunneling to Round 2, Kiper foresees a so-far-unfamiliar pick for the Vikings — Perrion Winfrey.
Winfrey is a beast from Oklahoma — does that sound familiar, Vikings fans? — who would theoretically clog up the middle of Ed Donatell’s new 3-4 defense. Minnesota already has men like Dalvin Tomlinson, Harrison Phillips, and Armon Watts for those jobs, but the idea of adding Winfrey is about improvement.
Kiper described the selection:
“Winfrey is more of a classic 3-technique penetrating tackle, and he was one of the biggest risers after his performance at the Senior Bowl. Linemen couldn’t block him. He didn’t always get the chance to create havoc at Oklahoma. Winfrey could be great next to nose tackle Dalvin Tomlinson for Minnesota.”Winfrey tabulated 40 total tackles and six sacks in two seasons with the Sooners. He’s 6’4 and 290 pounds, so a bit on the leaner side for an interior defensive lineman. Draft pundits call Winfrey a “disruptor” and “havoc-wreaker.”
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Plus, he’s theorized by almost everyone to go off the board in the 2nd Round, so Kwesi Adofo-Mensah hypothetically choosing Winfrey isn’t a reach.
Personally I don't like that Stingley has question marks for a 12th overall pick. Hopefully P2 has some LSU insider information.
@"Still Hurtn" said: Personally I don't like that Stingley has question marks for a 12th overall pick. Hopefully P2 has some LSU insider information.More so than P2 - Jones the DB coach who was LSU's D-coordinator last season will know everything about Stingley.
@"Geoff Nichols" said:It would speak volumes if he was available and they passed on drafting him.@"Still Hurtn" said: Personally I don't like that Stingley has question marks for a 12th overall pick. Hopefully P2 has some LSU insider information. More so than P2 - Jones the DB coach who was LSU's D-coordinator last season will know everything about Stingley.
... the wrong pick?
Sorry, thought this was fill in the blank B)
@"AGRforever" said:Well that's just it. If the Vikings pick him, we can probably take some comfort in the fact that we have people on staff who coached or played with him every day. But man, if WE pass on him? Teams are going to get real nervous and he could drop a ways.@"Geoff Nichols" said:It would speak volumes if he was available and they passed on drafting him.@"Still Hurtn" said: Personally I don't like that Stingley has question marks for a 12th overall pick. Hopefully P2 has some LSU insider information. More so than P2 - Jones the DB coach who was LSU's D-coordinator last season will know everything about Stingley.
Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.
Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Plus, I believe the value with those corners make it a worthwhile investment if they choose to go that route in the 1st.Also, Donatell was on the Broncos staff last year when they passed on Fields (with a need at QB) and picked Surtain. I could see the same pick here.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
The internet....where you find that most people really need to take a few puffs and chill TF out.
“A herd of sheep is > then a bar full of drunks” a really smart & good football man confided to me… ;) B)
@"Kentis" said: “A herd of sheep is > then a bar full of drunks” a really smart & good football man confided to me… ;) B)Unless you are from Green Bay, a bar full of drunks is a lot more fun!
@"MarkSP18" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
I am a best player available guy, but the reality is Boyd is 1st man up on the outside and we only have 1 slot corner. I cant find a bigger need on this team. Sometimes the herd is simply right.This coming from one of the very few that wanted Aaron Donald in spite of drafting Shariff the year before. Its all opinions anyway
@"PurpleCrush" said: The internet....where you find that most people really need to take a few puffs and chill TF out.No shit man. Wow! LOL
@"MarkSP18" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
This might be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
This might be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
God, high on yourself a little? I see a different way of looking at our current situation and an asshat with the inability to do so. He’s much more likely to be correct than you.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
This might be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
I’ve personally posted much, much stupider. You must have been busy those days :p
@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"MarkSP18" said: Perhaps the Vikings will take Cordale Flott instead who the DB coach also knows real well.Vikings fans have convinced themselves that the team absolutely MUST take a corner with the first pick. Feels like the Bradbury mantra from 2019 all over again.
A really smart and good football man said the CB depth in this draft is really good. There is no need to FORCE a corner in the first.
Do the Vikings need to force a corner? Absolutely not. But is it the biggest need and the most likely 1st pick in the draft? Yes, of course it is.
Who says corner is the biggest need? You and all of the other sheep?Why isn't QB a need? They just reluctantly extended Cousins. They have a slim chance of moving on next offseason.
Why isn't WR a need? They re-did Thielen's deal and it was NOT a hometown discount. It actually could be a raise. He has cap hits of 19.967M in 2023 and 21.5M in 2024. He ain't seeing that if the new GM truly believes in analytics.
Why isn't EDGE rusher a need? Both Hunter and Smith are coming off surgeries and we HOPE they can regain their previous form.
I do not buy into the herd mentality that corner is all of a sudden, the #1 need especially after they signed Peterson and Sullivan.
This might be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
I know you and him are having a little argument about CBs and need... but this is what I've been saying the past couple weeks (minus the sheep part since none of us are Packer fans, except maybe Sticky... still not sure about him... :-D ).You could make an argument the Vikings "need" another WR, edge, CB, or even a DL. There have been numerous topics about just that over the past couple months. I don't think this is the draft to grab a QB early though.
I know you (and others) expect/want a CB with our first round pick. I'm just hoping if we stay at 12, we get a blue chip guy. I don't care if it's a CB... it could be Hamilton (S), J Johnson (edge), one of the WRs, or whoever as long as the coaching staff thinks he's a game changer.
Lots of different scenarios I would be happy with on draft day (including a trade back). I'm not locked into it being a CB and you shouldn't be either.
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