Well Za'Darius sure changes the draft strategy

You must have a lot of faith in our new training staff…  ;)   point being I’m not sure it does…  B) 

I still take DL if a stud is there. Vikes will be signing some FA CBs I am sure. Tired of wasting top draft capital on CBs that usually are average at best and gone in a few years. That is what 3 and 4th round CBs are for.

Unless one of the edge guys slides, maybe due to 3 QB picks in the top 12, you take the guy closer to the ball.

McDuffie would be a great fit. Maybe Ojabo is there in the second. 

@"Hawkvike25" said: With the news of signing Za'Darius and the dead cap amount for Danielle being $29MM after converting his roster bonus into a signing bonus all but mean CB at #12? Should we still entertain moving down a few spots if Sauce and Stingley are both gone if we can pick up another 2nd rounder this year?

McDuffie's arm length makes me a little nervous, especially at 5'10. I think I'd support trading down a few, draft a CB and then use the second round picks on a G/C, LB, or WR. I'd take a risk on Sam Howell if he drops there too

I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

Andrew Booth, anyone? Not sure why he's not getting as much love as the others. Seems to have what you'd want out of a top flight corner.

@"PurpleCrush" said: Andrew Booth, anyone? Not sure why he's not getting as much love as the others. Seems to have what you'd want out of a top flight corner.

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"PurpleCrush" said: Andrew Booth, anyone? Not sure why he's not getting as much love as the others. Seems to have what you'd want out of a top flight corner.

He's been unavailable for post season workouts/combine.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

I wouldn't break my TV. Pass rushers are gold. But with Hunter and Smith and depth like Wonnum, J-Rob and PJ2, I think we'd be fools for ignoring our almost empty corner room. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

I wouldn't break my TV. Pass rushers are gold. But with Hunter and Smith and depth like Wonnum, J-Rob and PJ2, I think we'd be fools for ignoring our almost empty corner room. 

Well, I think we're only 8 or 9 days into FA, Maroon...  :-)

The Vikings will add to the CB room between now and the draft, there are still plenty of quality veteran CBs unsigned.  As far as our pass rushing depth you listed, it's mostly unproven (except for Wonnum) and we have two studs who've missed a lot of time recently.  Getting another young, talented pass rusher is as much a need as CB.

Luckily, this class is top heavy (and deep) at pass rusher and CB.  Depending on how things fall, I could see those two positions being our first two picks.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

I wouldn't break my TV. Pass rushers are gold. But with Hunter and Smith and depth like Wonnum, J-Rob and PJ2, I think we'd be fools for ignoring our almost empty corner room. 

Well, I think we're only 8 or 9 days into FA, Maroon...  :-)

The Vikings will add to the CB room between now and the draft, there are still plenty of quality veteran CBs unsigned.  As far as our pass rushing depth you listed, it's mostly unproven (except for Wonnum) and we have two studs who've missed a lot of time recently.  Getting another young, talented pass rusher is as much a need as CB.

Luckily, this class is top heavy (and deep) at pass rusher and CB.  Depending on how things fall, I could see those two positions being our first two picks.

I think we need to see what J-Rob & PJ2 offer as pass rushers before we spend more premium picks on DE's. Surratt was also drafted because of his pass rush abilities.

It has to be CB unless Jordan Davis is on the board.  I think it would be foolish to pass up Davis if he was still there at 12, even in the 3-4, he can still be a major force.

A front 7 of:
Davis-Phillips-Tomlinson
Hunter-Hicks-Kendricks-Smith

Is the best in the league if healthy.  Backups of: Lynch-Watts-Twyman-Jones-Wonnum-Robinson-Surrat

A 2nd round corner, a vet (Patrick Peterson?  Bryce Callahan?), plus Dantzler, Hand, Boyd could be enough.  

If no Davis, then it's easy, take the best corner available (McDuffie or Booth)

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

@"Skodin" said: It has to be CB unless Jordan Davis is on the board.  I think it would be foolish to pass up Davis if he was still there at 12, even in the 3-4, he can still be a major force.

A front 7 of:
Davis-Phillips-Tomlinson
Hunter-Hicks-Kendricks-Smith

Is the best in the league if healthy.  Backups of: Lynch-Watts-Twyman-Jones-Wonnum-Robinson-Surrat

A 2nd round corner, a vet (Patrick Peterson?  Bryce Callahan?), plus Dantzler, Hand, Boyd could be enough.  

If no Davis, then it's easy, take the best corner available (McDuffie or Booth)

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

I wouldn't break my TV. Pass rushers are gold. But with Hunter and Smith and depth like Wonnum, J-Rob and PJ2, I think we'd be fools for ignoring our almost empty corner room. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Wetlander" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Wetlander" said: I think you do what the Packers did a couple years ago after they signed Preston and Z Smith (took Rashan Gary at 12?)... 

If a stud pass rusher falls, you take him. We've seen what this defense looks like without a pass rush.  It's the biggest reason Zimmer's defenses weren't good the past two years.

I wouldn't break my TV. Pass rushers are gold. But with Hunter and Smith and depth like Wonnum, J-Rob and PJ2, I think we'd be fools for ignoring our almost empty corner room. 

Well, I think we're only 8 or 9 days into FA, Maroon...  :-)

The Vikings will add to the CB room between now and the draft, there are still plenty of quality veteran CBs unsigned.  As far as our pass rushing depth you listed, it's mostly unproven (except for Wonnum) and we have two studs who've missed a lot of time recently.  Getting another young, talented pass rusher is as much a need as CB.

Luckily, this class is top heavy (and deep) at pass rusher and CB.  Depending on how things fall, I could see those two positions being our first two picks.

I think we need to see what J-Rob & PJ2 offer as pass rushers before we spend more premium picks on DE's. Surratt was also drafted because of his pass rush abilities.

I think Kwesi may be protecting his comp picks while working with the budget.  Right now, overthecap shows us with 14.2M in cap space but it does not include the Thielen restructure which should net about 5M giving the team 19.2M in cap space.  But this does not include Smith who could come in around 4.7M and they need 4.3M to sign the rookies.  That leaves about 10.2M to try and sign a corner, interior OL, and maybe a safety.

If they cannot get Peterson then Janoris Jenkins was cut so he would not affect the comp picks.

I could see them using the #12 pick to take ...

Trevor Penning OT/OG 

... they can slide him next to O'Neill and possibly be very strong.

Ideally, they do this AND sign JC Tretter.

Penning did play some guard in college and at the Senior Bowl.

@"MarkSP18" said: I think Kwesi may be protecting his comp picks while working with the budget.  Right now, overthecap shows us with 14.2M in cap space but it does not include the Thielen restructure which should net about 5M giving the team 19.2M in cap space.  But this does not include Smith who could come in around 4.7M and they need 4.3M to sign the rookies.  That leaves about 10.2M to try and sign a corner, interior OL, and maybe a safety.

If they cannot get Peterson then Janoris Jenkins was cut so he would not affect the comp picks.

I could see them using the #12 pick to take ...

Trevor Penning OT/OG 

... they can slide him next to O'Neill and possibly be very strong.

Ideally, they do this AND sign JC Tretter.

Penning did play some guard in college and at the Senior Bowl.

Accounting for rookies, Thielen, Mannion, and Smith they should be closer to $11M in cap space. But you will need $5-6M for in-season moves and top 53 roster rules. So they effectively are working with $3 - $3.5M until they make another move. 

Drafting an IOL in the 1st, or even 2nd, would be a pretty big surprise. For the purpose of the cap, teams like to structure their lines with a mix of age and youth, a mix of high picks and low picks. 

If the Vikings drafted Penning in the 1st, they would have on their line a 1st - 2nd - 1st - 1st - 2nd. That's not sustainable. What's more, an already too young line is getting younger.

Fix or trade Bradbury, then bring in a veteran to compete with Davis at RG. That really should be all you need to do.