Will O'Connell appreciate durability in his QB?

O'Connell is in the Super Bowl with a QB that is pretty much Cousins.

This is the biggest open question remaining in the off-season.

I have no strong feeling about how the franchise goes on this one.

I dont know how they'll deal with KC either...

I'm not convinced there is a better option that'll be available in FA and I think he's our best option with a re-worked contract. At least until they get another QB for tomorrow that they really believe in. That might not be for a year or 2. 

I know it's radio silence time with KOC, but I am a little surprised we'e heard nothing from our QB since the season ended. 

@"JustinTime18™" said: O'Connell is in the Super Bowl with a QB that is pretty much Cousins.

This is the biggest open question remaining in the off-season.

I have no strong feeling about how the franchise goes on this one.

Cousins injury history:
None

Stafford's injury history:

Sep 12, 2010
Shoulder A/C Joint Separation
Stafford missed 5 games.Nov 7, 2010
Shoulder A/C Joint Separation
Stafford re-injured his shoulder and eventually underwent surgery in January of 2011.
Nov 22, 2009
Shoulder A/C Joint Separation
Stafford played the next 2 games before sitting out the final 4 with a separated shoulder.
Dec 9, 2016
Hand Finger Dislocation Stafford also suffered torn ligaments in his finger, although it didn't cost him any games.
Oct 4, 2009
Knee Patella Dislocation
Stafford dislocated his patella against the Bears, costing him 2 games. He had minor surgery in December of 2009.
Dec 6, 2009
Shoulder A/C Joint Separation
Stafford missed 4 games with a shoulder dislocation after a hard hit against the Bengals.
Oct 30, 2011
Hand Finger Fracture
Stafford played through a fractured right index finger.
Oct 23, 2011
Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Stafford didn't miss any games with his ankle ailment.
Nov 3, 2019
Back Tailbone Fracture
Matthew Stafford ended his season due to the fractured bones in his back in Week 9 game vs. the Raiders
Nov 15, 2020
Hand Thumb Torn Ligament
Stafford suffered a partial tear in a ligament in his right thumb during the win vs. Washington. He played through the injury in the next games
Dec 13, 2020
Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified
Stafford injured his ribs during the team’s Week 14 loss to the Packers. He didn't miss any game
Dec 26, 2020
Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Stafford suffers ankle injury in Lions' loss to Bucs. He was available for the season finale.
Aug 2, 2021
Hand Thumb Sprain
Stafford hit his right thumb on a teammate's helmet during practice and was shut down from throwing for the rest of the day.
Nov 4, 2021
Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Stafford was held out of practice due to a sore back ahead of Week 9
Nov 7, 2021
Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Stafford sprained his ankle during Week 9's loss to the Titans. He was good for the next game
Jan 9, 2022
Pedal Toe Sprain
Stafford injured his toe during a Week 18 loss to the 49ers. He was fine for the wild-card game against the Cardinals.

Where the hell do you find all of this?

I think the thread title should read "Will KOC appreciate KC's durability and production?" 

@"purplefaithful" said: Where the hell do you find all of this?

I think the thread title should read "Will KOC appreciate KC's durability and production?" 

But I also sorta wonder if KOC will even have a choice in the matter. The Cousins thing may be a decision made by the suits. 

Nine is a lot...

The one thing KC has brought to a franchise (that can't brag about QB's in recent memory) is stability and as you say durability...

There are so many rumors because there is a lot of unknown information and talking heads are looking for people to bite. It is going to be interesting to see how things actually play out. Obviously Cousins is the key one way or another.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Where the hell do you find all of this?

I think the thread title should read "Will KOC appreciate KC's durability and production?" 

I was just curious about what the numbers looked like when KOC and KC were together so I looked them up. That led me to discover the NINE QB changes in Washington over the two years immediately following Cousins' departure. That's insane! Also had to be frustrating for an offensive coach. 

But I also sorta wonder if KOC will even have a choice in the matter. The Cousins thing may be a decision made by the suits. 

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Where the hell do you find all of this?

I think the thread title should read "Will KOC appreciate KC's durability and production?" 

I was just curious about what the numbers looked like when KOC and KC were together so I looked them up. That led me to discover the NINE QB changes in Washington over the two years immediately following Cousins' departure. That's insane! Also had to be frustrating for an offensive coach. 

But I also sorta wonder if KOC will even have a choice in the matter. The Cousins thing may be a decision made by the suits. 

At the bold...

My 1st reaction to that was no way....B

ut then i suspect Zimsu had to have his arm twisted to go with KC in 2018 too. I just don't believe there was consensus on him back in the day. 

I do not find the comparisons to Stafford relevant, because the situations are completely different.  McVay entered the season in his fifth year with a stacked roster of expensive free agents expected to contend for a Super Bowl with the first year of fans in their 5 billion dollar stadium and hosting the Super Bowl.  He had a lot of pressure to win now, so he needed an established QB.  O'Connell is coming into rookie year, while it won't be a total rebuild, the expectation is for him to build a winner, which is going to involve establishing a solid base, which I believe will revolve around the QB position.  I don't see a QB who will be 34 when the season starts is going to be the guy he is going to want to center the team around.  He may keep Cousins as a bridge QB for a year, but I think the team either drafts or trades for a QB who they think can be the future of the team. 

While I am admittedly known for supporting our incumbent, Cousins has been our best, most consistent producing QB in a helluva long time...and that's despite Zimmer's ridiculous conservative BS, bad/tragic OG/center play, and a slew of OCs through his whole time on the team.

Yes, this season's contract is worrisome (because of shifting for 2020, but that gets swept aside), and I'd like it renegotiated...but, I think seeing Cousins is a functional offensive scheme with the o-line attended to would erase about 90% of the constant hate/trade babble.

My gut tells me (KC + KOC) = best years ahead for KC

We'll see...

Like others, I dont know if they'll keep him or not???  They'd better have a damn good plan b if they dont. 

I dont care to revisit the Ponder through Brafford era. 

I think you all are focusing on the wrong thing,  iMO this isn't about if the Vikings or KOC want to keep Cousins around,  the question is does Cousins want to be here.  Of course he says he does,  but the decision is really in his camp.

The key for KAM and KOC is to build a winner and that is going to take cap space.  Yes they have a few veteran options to create some space,  but they arent working for their 23 jobs right now,  they can break some eggs this year and still not be worried about getting fired.  If Cousins really does want to be part of the future here he needs to show now that he is concerned about more than just his own financial future.

Im sure Ill get roasted for this but....

1. Cousins is a damn good quarterback, hes consistent, seldom hurt, has just enough moxie without being boastful.  Just because he doesnt run around before throwing sidearm to people doesnt mean hes not good. That said, get the ball OUT. 
2. Can “WE” win a Super Bowl with him? YES, I have no doubt given the right people around him, and...
3. A defense that can that hold teams to under 24 points, HELL, under 30 points...
4. THE ONLY positive I see with O’Connell, is his relationship with KOC (As you know, I wanted Harbaugh) 
5. KOC now has his money.......Does he want a title?   If he does, sign a cap friendly deal and spread the wealth a little for Christ sake.  

Stafford
2021 - 21million Cap hit - SB QB
2022 - 23 million Cap hit
Total: 44

Cousins
2021 - 31 million Cap hit - 8-9 record QB
2022 - 45 million Cap hit
Total: 76 

But I do agree with others in the comparison between the 2. 
 We just need Kirk to take a huge pay cut so we can sign about 3 other superstars like the Rams :)

@"minny65" said: Stafford 2021 - 21million Cap hit - SB QB 2022 - 23 million Cap hit Total: 44

Cousins
2021 - 31 million Cap hit - 8-9 record QB
2022 - 45 million Cap hit
Total: 76 

But I do agree with others in the comparison between the 2. 
 We just need Kirk to take a huge pay cut so we can sign about 3 other superstars like the Rams :)

@"minny65" said: Stafford 2021 - 21million Cap hit - SB QB 2022 - 23 million Cap hit Total: 44

Cousins
2021 - 31 million Cap hit - 8-9 record QB
2022 - 45 million Cap hit
Total: 76 

But I do agree with others in the comparison between the 2. 
 We just need Kirk to take a huge pay cut so we can sign about 3 other superstars like the Rams :)

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"minny65" said: Stafford 2021 - 21million Cap hit - SB QB 2022 - 23 million Cap hit Total: 44

Cousins
2021 - 31 million Cap hit - 8-9 record QB
2022 - 45 million Cap hit
Total: 76 

But I do agree with others in the comparison between the 2. 
 We just need Kirk to take a huge pay cut so we can sign about 3 other superstars like the Rams :)

Yeah, Stafford cap hit is only $21MM and yeah Cousins cap hit is $31MM, but let's not ignore the fact that the Rams are also paying $24.7MM of dead cap money this year for Goff so that QB1 cap hit is more like $45.7MM

@"minny65" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"minny65" said: Stafford 2021 - 21million Cap hit - SB QB 2022 - 23 million Cap hit Total: 44

Cousins
2021 - 31 million Cap hit - 8-9 record QB
2022 - 45 million Cap hit
Total: 76 

But I do agree with others in the comparison between the 2. 
 We just need Kirk to take a huge pay cut so we can sign about 3 other superstars like the Rams :)

Yeah, Stafford cap hit is only $21MM and yeah Cousins cap hit is $31MM, but let's not ignore the fact that the Rams are also paying $24.7MM of dead cap money this year for Goff so that QB1 cap hit is more like $45.7MM

OK but this year is over for us (on a low note) so lets compare similar QB's and their salaries for next year - 23 vs 45.  I hope Kirk can help lead this team to a better than 8-9 record for that kind of money.