Say What Now?

@"savannahskol" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now?  Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.

Lol, the Dolphins.  Class-action, bro.   You're missing the bigger picture. 

Flores just tapped into something larger.  Much larger.  Even Kaep is taking a bow.  

Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit?  Google it. 

Go coach Flores!   
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)

Hue Jackson just jumped in and says he was paid to tank in Cleveland too. Bad stuff. 

We know tanking goes on obviously but to me there’s a big difference between having a bad roster that you know will lose a lot, and an owner saying, “I’ll give you $100K to lose today.” At that point you’re not tanking, you’re fixing games. 

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"savannahskol" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now?  Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.

Lol, the Dolphins.  Class-action, bro.   You're missing the bigger picture. 

Flores just tapped into something larger.  Much larger.  Even Kaep is taking a bow.  

Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit?  Google it. 

Go coach Flores!   
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)

Yes, I decided to look at one tangible result of the "HR on the press release."  And, yes, I think systemic racism is throughout the NFL coaching system -- you need look no further than the coordinators on the Vikings last year -- if the vast majority of HCs in the NFL are white and they choose to elevate their offspring, well, that takes up opportunities for POC.

But I don't need to google the lawsuit to know that it is not all about racism.  The part of the lawsuit that is getting the most attention is the payments for losses.  That is not racist.  I am sure Ross would have been pissed at a white coach if he had made the team perform as well as Flores.

Also, keep in mind there is a chance this will all be pushed into arbitration.

Then layer on top of that that Flores is trying to do this as a class action -- who are members of that class?   Can't be all black coaches because black coaches do get hired to coach teams.   And you can't say the Rooney rule is just window dressing as Mike Tomlin proves it is not.  And what black coach will want to be part of the class -- are there any other class representatives?

Yes, look at Kaep -- he sued the NFL but then the entire litigation got really quiet.  Do you even know the result?

So, yes, I can look at the larger picture but I chose to look at the one piece of tangible damages caused by yesterday's filing.

Former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores joined @GetUpESPN to discuss his decision to sue the NFL and three teams, alleging racism in hiring practices.

"We need change. ... We need to change the hearts and minds of people making those decisions." pic.twitter.com/HnlTHtZ2t5

— ESPN (@espn) February 2, 2022

I just find it comical that the woke NFL is being sued for racist hiring practices for the very rules they implemented to not be looked at as racist. When you tell people they "have to" interview people of a certain race or gender, of course some interviews will be for show because they are mandated to do so. So, what's the real answer here? I despise that "race" has become such a huge talking point as it relates to anything regarding the NFL. It's pushed on all of us every weekend like it's 1962 and not 2022. You want to keep everybody divided by race...that's exactly what the NFL is doing 

I also hope there's some truth to Flores's claim about Elway and his Broncos interview because otherwise he deserves to have his own ass sued for defamation. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"claykenny" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Just asking,  what did Ross do wrong that indy didn't do when they sucked for luck?  Or other teams that have shut down stars at them end of pointless campaigns?

Bribery to impact the outcome of a sporting event is a federal crime. If Ross offered him money to lose and Flores has proof, Ross has more than the NFL to be worried about.

At least the maximum prison sentence is only 5 years.

Edited just to clarify an owner telling a coach to lose is not an issue, aside from the whole integrity of the game thing. It’s the bribery/incentive portion that makes it a big deal from a legal standpoint.

LOL,  integrity of the game.  The same game that washed over brain injuries,  the same game that refuses to got to full time officials and allows those incompetent officials to determine the outcome of games through inconsistent enforcement of arbitrary amd constantly changing rules...that integrity of the game?  

Like I said,  its been apparent in the past that teams have flopped for better draft position and nothing was ever made of it.  Honestly if Flores was the good guy here he wouldn't have waited so long to bring the accusations out,   why didn't he go to the Goodell much earlier if this was in any way about preserving the integrity of the game?  This is about revenge and nothing more for Flores. 

As far as the giants thing,  is it racist that they hired the better candidate,  simply because the guy they didn't hire/interview was black?  I would wager that the reason they moved so quickly on dabol is likely because he was a top candidate and didn't want to lose out on him to another team... makes perfect sense to me without some other information that would point to racist tendencies by the giants.

Does racism exist,  most definitely,   is this an example of it,  imo..no,  not based on this act alone.  Sounds more like more sour grapes by Flores.

@"Chuckf" said:

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"savannahskol" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: What coach would want to take the Dolphins head coaching job now?  Think about it -- you're going to be heavily scrutinized over the next couple of seasons; if the paid tanking accusations are true, the Dolphins will probably lose draft picks (among other penalties), may be hard to get free agents to come to the Dolphins as long as Ross is owner and there is going to be a cloud over the entire organization.

Lol, the Dolphins.  Class-action, bro.   You're missing the bigger picture. 

Flores just tapped into something larger.  Much larger.  Even Kaep is taking a bow.  

Have you read the news/news reactions to this suit?  Google it. 

Go coach Flores!   
(and whoever his lawyers are...hit a HR on the press-release)

Yes, I decided to look at one tangible result of the "HR on the press release."  And, yes, I think systemic racism is throughout the NFL coaching system -- you need look no further than the coordinators on the Vikings last year -- if the vast majority of HCs in the NFL are white and they choose to elevate their offspring, well, that takes up opportunities for POC.

But I don't need to google the lawsuit to know that it is not all about racism.  The part of the lawsuit that is getting the most attention is the payments for losses.  That is not racist.  I am sure Ross would have been pissed at a white coach if he had made the team perform as well as Flores.

Also, keep in mind there is a chance this will all be pushed into arbitration.

Then layer on top of that that Flores is trying to do this as a class action -- who are members of that class?   Can't be all black coaches because black coaches do get hired to coach teams.   And you can't say the Rooney rule is just window dressing as Mike Tomlin proves it is not.  And what black coach will want to be part of the class -- are there any other class representatives?

Yes, look at Kaep -- he sued the NFL but then the entire litigation got really quiet.  Do you even know the result?

So, yes, I can look at the larger picture but I chose to look at the one piece of tangible damages caused by yesterday's filing.

Yeah, I never thought about that angle.  Nepotism.

@"Chuckf" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others.  There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices.  And this becomes a racism lawsuit?  So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.

Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson.  I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. 

What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?

Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.  

It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions.  IF this is all true.  JR44's point is easily inferred.  Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need.  Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for.   Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development.  In fact, he regressed.  The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?   

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others.  There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices.  And this becomes a racism lawsuit?  So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.

Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson.  I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. 

What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?

Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.  

It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions.  IF this is all true.  JR44's point is easily inferred.  Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need.  Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for.   Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development.  In fact, he regressed.  The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?   

That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule.  This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".  

I think more than anything he’s attacking “the old boys system”. Nepotism is probably only part of that. Can he prove racism? I’m not sure under these circumstances, but it stands to reason that it has played a role in the NFL throughout it’s existence. The Rooney rule exists because it takes opportunities to move up in the NFL, and outsiders, especially black outsiders, couldn’t even get consideration with a simple interview. 
I’d be apocalyptically pissed too if I were him. Knowing they wasted my time and only talked to me to fulfill a race obligation would feel so disrespectful. Especially considering they know you’re up for other jobs and they are taking you away from prepping for those interviews. I get having a guy in mind for the job, but not being completely 100% sold on him until I interviewed a number of people. Even with a track record like Harbaugh, I wouldn’t automatically be all in on such an important hire. It sounds like that was the case with Daboll. I had wondered why we weren’t interviewing him. 
This lawsuit will never come close to making up his lost long term income had he become a head coach again. He’s making a legit sacrifice here, unlike the dingus Kaep. I don’t know if it will succeed as a case, but I hope it ends the common practices in the league of nepotism/you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours. 
As for the Dolphins owner offering up money to tank - that’s straight up illegal (as in criminally). Teams can tank all they want, but it can’t happen with cash offered. These allegations could explode into far more than just a PR nightmare. 

@"Havoc1649" said: I think more than anything he’s attacking “the old boys system”. Nepotism is probably only part of that. Can he prove racism? I’m not sure under these circumstances, but it stands to reason that it has played a role in the NFL throughout it’s existence. The Rooney rule exists because it takes opportunities to move up in the NFL, and outsiders, especially black outsiders, couldn’t even get consideration with a simple interview. 

I’d be apocalyptically pissed too if I were him. Knowing they wasted my time and only talked to me to fulfill a race obligation would feel so disrespectful. Especially considering they know you’re up for other jobs and they are taking you away from prepping for those interviews. I get having a guy in mind for the job, but not being completely 100% sold on him until I interviewed a number of people. Even with a track record like Harbaugh, I wouldn’t automatically be all in on such an important hire. It sounds like that was the case with Daboll. I had wondered why we weren’t interviewing him.  This lawsuit will never come close to making up his lost long term income had he become a head coach again. He’s making a legit sacrifice here, unlike the dingus Kaep. I don’t know if it will succeed as a case, but I hope it ends the common practices in the league of nepotism/you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.  As for the Dolphins owner offering up money to tank - that’s straight up illegal (as in criminally). Teams can tank all they want, but it can’t happen with cash offered. These allegations could explode into far more than just a PR nightmare. 

@"Chuckf" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: I think more than anything he’s attacking “the old boys system”. Nepotism is probably only part of that. Can he prove racism? I’m not sure under these circumstances, but it stands to reason that it has played a role in the NFL throughout it’s existence. The Rooney rule exists because it takes opportunities to move up in the NFL, and outsiders, especially black outsiders, couldn’t even get consideration with a simple interview. 

I’d be apocalyptically pissed too if I were him. Knowing they wasted my time and only talked to me to fulfill a race obligation would feel so disrespectful. Especially considering they know you’re up for other jobs and they are taking you away from prepping for those interviews. I get having a guy in mind for the job, but not being completely 100% sold on him until I interviewed a number of people. Even with a track record like Harbaugh, I wouldn’t automatically be all in on such an important hire. It sounds like that was the case with Daboll. I had wondered why we weren’t interviewing him.  This lawsuit will never come close to making up his lost long term income had he become a head coach again. He’s making a legit sacrifice here, unlike the dingus Kaep. I don’t know if it will succeed as a case, but I hope it ends the common practices in the league of nepotism/you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.  As for the Dolphins owner offering up money to tank - that’s straight up illegal (as in criminally). Teams can tank all they want, but it can’t happen with cash offered. These allegations could explode into far more than just a PR nightmare. 

If he is pissed because the Giants wasted his time, he needs to put his big boy pants on.  Good grief we all know what the Rooney Rule is.

@"Chuckf" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others.  There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices.  And this becomes a racism lawsuit?  So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.

Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson.  I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. 

What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?

Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.  

It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions.  IF this is all true.  JR44's point is easily inferred.  Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need.  Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for.   Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development.  In fact, he regressed.  The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?   

That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule.  This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".  

Not at all but whatever.  You do you.  There is also, you know, the whole deal where the owner has the right to hire who they want too, right?  You don't think in the history of the NFL that an owner and GM had their guy picked out but also interviewed others as well?  What does race have to do with it?  Funny he also brought out the Broncos and we all know Vance Joseph was the head coach who was fired.   Personally after reading what Oracle posted above its more of the "nepotism" factor than race it seems like.

@"Skodin" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: I think more than anything he’s attacking “the old boys system”. Nepotism is probably only part of that. Can he prove racism? I’m not sure under these circumstances, but it stands to reason that it has played a role in the NFL throughout it’s existence. The Rooney rule exists because it takes opportunities to move up in the NFL, and outsiders, especially black outsiders, couldn’t even get consideration with a simple interview. 

I’d be apocalyptically pissed too if I were him. Knowing they wasted my time and only talked to me to fulfill a race obligation would feel so disrespectful. Especially considering they know you’re up for other jobs and they are taking you away from prepping for those interviews. I get having a guy in mind for the job, but not being completely 100% sold on him until I interviewed a number of people. Even with a track record like Harbaugh, I wouldn’t automatically be all in on such an important hire. It sounds like that was the case with Daboll. I had wondered why we weren’t interviewing him.  This lawsuit will never come close to making up his lost long term income had he become a head coach again. He’s making a legit sacrifice here, unlike the dingus Kaep. I don’t know if it will succeed as a case, but I hope it ends the common practices in the league of nepotism/you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours.  As for the Dolphins owner offering up money to tank - that’s straight up illegal (as in criminally). Teams can tank all they want, but it can’t happen with cash offered. These allegations could explode into far more than just a PR nightmare. 

If he is pissed because the Giants wasted his time, he needs to put his big boy pants on.  Good grief we all know what the Rooney Rule is.

It seems he is pissed because his team's owner paid for him to lose, he did a hell of a job coaching that team down the stretch which should have kept his job, and seemed to get fucked by a nepotism filled NFL for a new job he probably wanted pretty badly.  Regardless of the "race" part being involved, there is plenty to be salty about here.

I would want Brian Flores as a coach, he seems to be a strong football mind and a leader of men

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others.  There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices.  And this becomes a racism lawsuit?  So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.

Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson.  I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. 

What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?

Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.  

It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions.  IF this is all true.  JR44's point is easily inferred.  Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need.  Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for.   Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development.  In fact, he regressed.  The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?   

That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule.  This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".  

Not at all but whatever.  You do you.  There is also, you know, the whole deal where the owner has the right to hire who they want too, right?  You don't think in the history of the NFL that an owner and GM had their guy picked out but also interviewed others as well?  What does race have to do with it?  Funny he also brought out the Broncos and we all know Vance Joseph was the head coach who was fired.   Personally after reading what Oracle posted above its more of the "nepotism" factor than race it seems like.

Explain to us what the Dolphin's having a black GM, coaches or players has to do with the Giants. In what way are the Dolphins involved in what the Giants allegedly did? The funny thing is I haven't even commented one way or the other on The Rooney Rule or what the Giants did. I am simply pointing out that what Miami has going on in no way corelates to what may have happened in New York. It a false equivalency 

I think this situation is a ficking mess,  no way what happened in Miami should even be in the discussion for what took place in NY. 2 separate unrelated events.  Maybe what took place with Ross is illegal,   but not racist,   and maybe hiring dabol before interviewing Flores was against the rooney rule,  but thats not illegal.  I dont evem know what to say about anything involving Denver since that info seems to be pretty new to the party,  but based on information I've seen to date there is no case here against the league.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33202029/hue-jackson-accuses-cleveland-browns-paying-tank-2016-17

This is becoming a bigger issue, and if the NFL was aware of it then it becomes a bigger issue.  Essentially - the NFL is on the hook for the owners actions as it is the overall umbrella.  No different than someone suing Walmart not the individual store or manager/owner.    This wrongful termination,  which with his records he has a leg to stand on.  Add in the illegal behavior of paying to lose, which the NFL was aware of before with Hue Jackson based on the article above then it is possible that the NFL knew or should have known this was occurring before.  As to the hiring process, the NFL may be able to get out of it by technicalities,  but on the surface it was a sham interview.  However on principal I have done many of these when I was hiring employees.  I knew likely who would be my best candidate before even the interview yet went through the process.  The issue here is perception and the Giants obviously leaked their information and that is what is going to get the Giants.  So the NFL has a hot mess on their hands and they are going to be paying out big money now regarding this.  The fact they said they deny this occurs without even doing an investigation regarding the claims makes it look even worse.  Good luck.  Not sure the pay day will be worth never having a true opportunity again.  Someone would have to be very desperate to give another opportunity to someone who is willing to sue its employer.  

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"claykenny" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Just asking,  what did Ross do wrong that indy didn't do when they sucked for luck?  Or other teams that have shut down stars at them end of pointless campaigns?

Bribery to impact the outcome of a sporting event is a federal crime. If Ross offered him money to lose and Flores has proof, Ross has more than the NFL to be worried about.

At least the maximum prison sentence is only 5 years.

Edited just to clarify an owner telling a coach to lose is not an issue, aside from the whole integrity of the game thing. It’s the bribery/incentive portion that makes it a big deal from a legal standpoint.

LOL,  integrity of the game.  The same game that washed over brain injuries,  the same game that refuses to got to full time officials and allows those incompetent officials to determine the outcome of games through inconsistent enforcement of arbitrary amd constantly changing rules...that integrity of the game?  

Like I said,  its been apparent in the past that teams have flopped for better draft position and nothing was ever made of it.  Honestly if Flores was the good guy here he wouldn't have waited so long to bring the accusations out,   why didn't he go to the Goodell much earlier if this was in any way about preserving the integrity of the game?  This is about revenge and nothing more for Flores. 

As far as the giants thing,  is it racist that they hired the better candidate,  simply because the guy they didn't hire/interview was black?  I would wager that the reason they moved so quickly on dabol is likely because he was a top candidate and didn't want to lose out on him to another team... makes perfect sense to me without some other information that would point to racist tendencies by the giants.

Does racism exist,  most definitely,   is this an example of it,  imo..no,  not based on this act alone.  Sounds more like more sour grapes by Flores.

@"claykenny" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"claykenny" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Just asking,  what did Ross do wrong that indy didn't do when they sucked for luck?  Or other teams that have shut down stars at them end of pointless campaigns?

Bribery to impact the outcome of a sporting event is a federal crime. If Ross offered him money to lose and Flores has proof, Ross has more than the NFL to be worried about.

At least the maximum prison sentence is only 5 years.

Edited just to clarify an owner telling a coach to lose is not an issue, aside from the whole integrity of the game thing. It’s the bribery/incentive portion that makes it a big deal from a legal standpoint.

LOL,  integrity of the game.  The same game that washed over brain injuries,  the same game that refuses to got to full time officials and allows those incompetent officials to determine the outcome of games through inconsistent enforcement of arbitrary amd constantly changing rules...that integrity of the game?  

Like I said,  its been apparent in the past that teams have flopped for better draft position and nothing was ever made of it.  Honestly if Flores was the good guy here he wouldn't have waited so long to bring the accusations out,   why didn't he go to the Goodell much earlier if this was in any way about preserving the integrity of the game?  This is about revenge and nothing more for Flores. 

As far as the giants thing,  is it racist that they hired the better candidate,  simply because the guy they didn't hire/interview was black?  I would wager that the reason they moved so quickly on dabol is likely because he was a top candidate and didn't want to lose out on him to another team... makes perfect sense to me without some other information that would point to racist tendencies by the giants.

Does racism exist,  most definitely,   is this an example of it,  imo..no,  not based on this act alone.  Sounds more like more sour grapes by Flores.

I don’t really understand your reply to my post. 

If Ross offered to pay him for losses, that is a federal legal issue. I has nothing to do with race. You can argue about the timing and underlying motives by Flores, but that isn’t really relevant when discussing the fact that what Ross is being accused of is a crime. Not at all equivalent to losing games for a better draft pick. It is bribery with intent to fix games.

But, by all means, continue your race rant if it makes you feel better. 

@"Chuckf" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"Chuckf" said:

@"JR44" said:

@"bigbone62" said:

@"JR44" said: So the Giants hired the guy who is credited with transforming Josh Allen into one the league's best QBs and was razor close to going to the Super Bowl two at years in a row over a guy who was just let go from his team, because the consensus within the organization was that he was an egomaniac who verbally abused others.  There are reports of him completely abused Tua in practices.  And this becomes a racism lawsuit?  So if you get let go and you can't find another job then the answer is to just create a lawsuit, sounds pretty familiar.

Funny thing is that the Dolphins long time GM is black, their DC is black as well as 4 other coaches and their owner tried everything he could to trade for Watson.  I wouldn't doubt he was offered money to lose game as that would have netted them Burrow, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. 

What does the Dolphins having a black GM, other black coaches and the team wanting a black QB have to do with the Giants allegations?

Nice try, how about actually reading what I wrote which was comparing him to Daboll, but go ahead with your agenda here and post whatever you want to read into it.  

It has everything to do with the Giants had their guy they wanted and because of the Rooney Rule had to go through the motions.  IF this is all true.  JR44's point is easily inferred.  Flores WHOLE CASE is because racism and JR44's point is it has NOTHING to do with race it is all about performance and need.  Daboll turned Josh Allen into an All Pro, the Giants have a talented young QB in Daniel Jones they want the same results for.   Flores had TUA and did NOTHING to advance his development.  In fact, he regressed.  The other point is Flores was HIRED by Miami, so when he doesn't get desired results and gets fired now all of a sudden the Dolphins front office is racist?   

That is some serious mental gymnastics! His complaint is against the Giants. What the Dolphins do has absolutely no bearing on the Giants allegedly having picked a coach before they complied with the Rooney Rule.  This is like saying "I can't be prejudice because my friend hires minorities".  

Not at all but whatever.  You do you.  There is also, you know, the whole deal where the owner has the right to hire who they want too, right?  You don't think in the history of the NFL that an owner and GM had their guy picked out but also interviewed others as well?  What does race have to do with it?  Funny he also brought out the Broncos and we all know Vance Joseph was the head coach who was fired.   Personally after reading what Oracle posted above its more of the "nepotism" factor than race it seems like.

Explain to us what the Dolphin's having a black GM, coaches or players has to do with the Giants. In what way are the Dolphins involved in what the Giants allegedly did? The funny thing is I haven't even commented one way or the other on The Rooney Rule or what the Giants did. I am simply pointing out that what Miami has going on in no way corelates to what may have happened in New York. It a false equivalency 

Kinda of shows he wasn't fired because of racism?  The allegations of the owner trying to pay him to lose is really bad, I agree on that.   What exactly did the Giants do that was illegal or bad?  Daboll obviously coached up Josh Allen into an All Pro talent.   The Giants have a physically talented QB in Daniel Jones who was a top ten pick, a lot invested.   They want the same results, Daboll has proven he can do it.  Meanwhile in Miami, Tua has regressed under Flores.   There is a reason Daboll was their prime target and it had NOTHING to do with his skin color.