Cousins for Mayfield deal in the works?

MKC is also the beat writer who claimed there was a rift between Mayfield & Stefanski, to which Mayfield politely told her to go F herself...in much more pleasant verbiage. 

@"savannahskol" said:

@"Vikeking2" said:

@"purplefaithful" said: Until I see Mary Kay Cabot involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo. 

wish i could find it. but i saw earlier a story that said she was one of the first to bring it up. the story had a screenshot of her on a podcast. 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/the-browns-must-explore-trades-for-aaron-rodgers-derek-carr-kirk-cousins-jimmy-garoppolo-russell-wilson-and-other-qbs-this-offseason-mary-kay-cabot.html

"The Browns also have obvious connections to Cousins, who spent two seasons in Minnesota with Kevin Stefanski -- in 2018 as his QB coach then interim offensive coordinator, and 2019 as his full-time coordinator. In 2019, Cousins went 10-5 and finished with a career-high 107.4 rating, fourth in the NFL. He also threw 26 touchdowns against a career-low six interceptions. He completed 69.1 of his attempts and set a Vikings season record for completions with 425 and the second-most passing yards (4,298).

The Vikings are searching for a head coach to replace the fired Mike Zimmer, and hired their new GM on Tuesday in former Browns Vice President of Football Operations Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. If the Vikings opt for a new QB, Adofo-Mensah and Berry could possibly discuss a trade for Cousins, fourth last season with a 103.1 rating, that may or may not involve Mayfield. The Vikings have the No. 12 pick in the draft, one ahead of the Browns.

Cousins, whose future will depend in large part on the new coach, has a base salary of $35 million in 2022, the final year of his contract. Mayfield is heading into his fifth-year option year at $18.858 million."

@"minny65" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

Mayfield is owed 18M this year.  You want us to pick up 25M of Kirks salary.  That's a cap savings of $2M and a third rounder plus a conditional. I know some of yall hate Kirk but damn, the guy is a top couple QB.  Lets see what a new coach can get out of him before we kick him to the curb.  Its not like there's a Mahomes/Allen in the draft we can go get. 

Mayfield is in his last year contract at close to $19

We are on the hook for $10 million for Kirk no matter what - signing bonus.  Kirk's 2022 salary is 35.

If the Browns were to assume 25 million then that leaves us with 20 to Kirk to not play for us and the 19 million for Mayfield = 39 million vs 45 million as is now - savings of 6 million.

So, you have a 4th year QB, age 26, who has showed flashes of above average play IMO (injuries destroyed his progress last year), save 6 million, get a 3rd this year, and a potential 1st rounder in 2023???  Or you stick with Cousin, who's only 33, never injured, and easily a Top 10 QB or higher but you have $45 million committed to him but you can extend and reduce that number by more than 6 million probably??

The above scenario, right now for me, I would want a little more from Cleveland.  

This will be Kwesi's second biggest decision after hiring a HC.  I think it will come down to if Kwesi thinks we are a few fixes/players away and stick with a redo Cousins or do we start a 2 year rebuild with a guy like Mayfield having a shot.  

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

And again I think the big thing with trading Cousins would be getting out from under that contract moving forward. Yes we'd take a hit on some of his contract in any trade for this upcoming season, but if we can get fair compensation and his big money contract (any extension) off the books moving forward...that's the big benefit. Cap flexibility we haven't had in a while for Kwesi and the new coach to build the roster how they want. 

@"supafreak84" said: And again I think the big thing with trading Cousins would be getting out from under that contract moving forward. Yes we'd take a hit on some of his contract in any trade for this upcoming season, but if we can get fair compensation and his big money contract (any extension) off the books moving forward...that's the big benefit. Cap flexibility we haven't had in a while for Kwesi and the new coach to build the roster how they want. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

We also get Mayfield, a QB who was the 1st overall pick just three years ago. 

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

We also get Mayfield, a QB who was the 1st overall pick just three years ago. 

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

Exactly.

But, blowing the whole fucking thing up sure sounds fun. Until you go 3-14

Not sure how I feel about it.  OBJ and Jefferson are close, and OBJ wanted the heck out of Cleveland.  While I don't think he ever said directly it was because of Baker, you can make the assumption based on others. 

@"El_Padre" said: Not sure how I feel about it.  OBJ and Jefferson are close, and OBJ wanted the heck out of Cleveland.  While I don't think he ever said directly it was because of Baker, you can make the assumption based on others. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

We also get Mayfield, a QB who was the 1st overall pick just three years ago. 

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

when Rodgers goes to Tampa, the NFC north is ripe for the Vikings .   

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

We also get Mayfield, a QB who was the 1st overall pick just three years ago. 

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm

No thanks for multiple reasons, but lets start here.

@"PapaScott" said: when Rodgers goes to Tampa, the NFC north is ripe for the Vikings .   

@"JustinTime18™" said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm

No thanks for multiple reasons, but lets start here.

And considering his injuries, I'm sure they would love to get their hands on the most durable QB in the NFL. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"PapaScott" said: when Rodgers goes to Tampa, the NFC north is ripe for the Vikings .   

When I see Rodgers leave GB, then I'll believe it.

Table sure looks set for Rogers out Denver way... 

Its so easy to see it probably wont happen that way. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal. 

 Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third,   people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way,  but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year,  let's say mid to late 20s,  factor in that the pick is a year later,  so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him. 

Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL.  ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal,  keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year,  and agree to a future trade,  then I say extend him. 

 He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs,  or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.

We also get Mayfield, a QB who was the 1st overall pick just three years ago. 

So Vikings get...
1. $6M net
2. 1st (likely) and a 3rd
3. Baker Mayfield

Browns get...
1. Kirk Cousins

Seems decent for a guy that supposedly is the source of all our problems (I don't necessarily agree, but it's been said plenty).  :-)

For the record, I'm against this trade. Extend Cousins, add a couple of corners and let's see if we can't win what should be a much weaker division.

I'm confused. Win-Loss record is or is not the only stat that matters? He's 29-30 and outside of a wonky Covid season a 6 win QB as a starter. 6-7, 6-10, 11-5, 6-8. In four seasons a number 1 overall pick is 8-22 against winning teams. Beyond that you have no idea physically what he'll be in 2022. 

@"bigbone62" said: I'm confused. Win-Loss record is or is not the only stat that matters? He's 29-30 and outside of a wonky Covid season a 6 win QB as a starter. 6-7, 6-10, 11-5, 6-8. In four seasons a number 1 overall pick is 8-22 against winning teams. Beyond that you have no idea physically what he'll be in 2022. 

I don’t think either guy is the longterm answer here (it’s just one game but they were both terrrrrible when they played each other last season), but at least Mayfield is cheaper and younger, I guess. 

If the Vikings do wind up with Harbaugh, pairing him with Mayfield strikes me as a better fit personality-wise than sticking with Kirk fwiw, but all of that is pretty far-fetched at this point I think.