Cousins for Mayfield deal in the works?
According to a Browns beat reporter, he believes the "dots are aligning" for a Cousins for Baker Mayfield swap. Cousins would reunite with Stefanski in Cleveland with the Browns paying 25 million of his upcoming salary. In return the Vikings would receive Baker Mayfield, a 3rd round pick, and a conditional pick that could elevate to a 1st round pick depending on production and playing time for Cousins. The hiring of Kwesi and his connection to the Browns has further stoked these fires...
This would be interesting. To me the Browns are the team to watch in a Cousins move
@"JR44" said:@"prairieghost" said: So, when thinking about this from the players’ perspectives, would it seem at all possible that a certain young star WR (who is a close pal of another certain diva WR and his dad) would want any part of bringing Mayfield to Minny? Yeah, I can see JJ just loving this idea :/The WR room may revolt, even if they aren’t always thrilled with Kirk either…
Bingo! We have a winner! There is no way this guy is coming here! Also Kwesi has had a front row seat to his performance and doubt he is the guy he is going to want to build his franchise around.Baker played most of this year with a torn labrum he shouldn't have. OBJ cried his way out of town and that entire offense was a Mash unit all year long. His stats the year prior; 26 TD's, 8 Int's, and over 3500 yards passing in a run heavy, play action offense. He was the #1 overall pick because he has talent, although inconsistent thus far. Imagine if we hired O'Connell and ran a more innovative offense. To me that makes more sense having Mayfield as the quarterback, just like it makes all the sense in the world if you were the Browns to want Cousins because he fits so incredibly well into what they do offensively.
We have a huge decision to make on Cousins. Kwesi alluded to that. To me the Browns make the most sense for all the reasons laid out in the "opinion" piece by the Browns beat writer.
@"prairieghost" said: So, when thinking about this from the players’ perspectives, would it seem at all possible that a certain young star WR (who is a close pal of another certain diva WR and his dad) would want any part of bringing Mayfield to Minny? Yeah, I can see JJ just loving this idea :/The WR room may revolt, even if they aren’t always thrilled with Kirk either…
Agreed. Look how much better OBJ got when he left Cleveland for the Rams. QB has to have a significant impact on that.
Until I see Mary Kay Cabot, involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo.
@"purplefaithful" said: Until I see Mary Kay Cabot involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo.wish i could find it. but i saw earlier a story that said she was one of the first to bring it up. the story had a screenshot of her on a podcast.
Its all speculation at this point...it's the off-season, it's all speculation and rumor. What's not speculation is the Vikings need to make a decision on Cousins moving forward. This is a plausible trade idea that would work out for both teams. If the Vikings could move off that anchor of a contract, acquire the former #1 overall pick who's still only 26, acquire a 3rd round pick this year and a potential 1st in 2023 with a much stronger draft class...getty up! To me the Browns make the most sense in a Cousins trade, whatever that may be..
@"JustinTime18™" said:@"supafreak84" said:@"JustinTime18™" said: Absolutely nothing on Twitter to support this.No link in the op?
https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-trade-rumors-mayfield-browns/
Lol.Heavy. Site and story are just pure speculation with zero credible sources.
This is no different than the offal that spews from Judd and Mackey.
I was just going to say that Judd and Mackey had this on their reckless speculation bit.
@"supafreak84" said: Its all speculation at this point...it's the off-season, it's all speculation and rumor. What's not speculation is the Vikings need to make a decision on Cousins moving forward. This is a plausible trade idea that would work out for both teams. If the Vikings could move off that anchor of a contract, acquire the former #1 overall pick who's still only 26, acquire a 3rd round pick this year and a potential 1st in 2023 with a much stronger draft class...getty up! To me the Browns make the most sense in a Cousins trade, whatever that may be..You gotta wonder what happened to Mayfield...
I think he's physically hurt myself.
KAM is certainly going to have an insider perspective on him.
Browns QB Baker Mayfield undergoes successful shoulder surgery: "This is not the end of my story"https://t.co/aCo4HxvhuN pic.twitter.com/yCDP7w59OD
— Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) January 19, 2022
I’m not buying this. It would be an absolutely moronic trade by the Vikings. Save very little, take a big hit in QB play, and get a 3r for the trouble? 2 firsts would be minimum. Dumb idea.
Cousins isnt going anywhere. Buckle up because an extention is almost a sure thing.
@"AGRforever" said: Cousins isnt going anywhere. Buckle up because an extention is almost a sure thing.
I think that depends on his willingness to work on a more reasonable extension or who the new coach will be
@"purplefaithful" said: Until I see Mary Kay Cabot, involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo.And, she did.
Wrote a piece speculating on the Browns acquiring a vet QB. Carr, Rodgers, Wilson, etc.
Purely a throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.
Nothing to see here.
@"Havoc1649" said: I’m not buying this. It would be an absolutely moronic trade by the Vikings. Save very little, take a big hit in QB play, and get a 3r for the trouble? 2 firsts would be minimum. Dumb idea.
Would Mayfield in a McConnell ran offense interest you? If so there's one first round pick and he would flourish if used in the same fashion Kyler Murray is used. If Cousins met his conditions, there's another first round pick, plus the 3rd this year. What do you believe Cousins value to be, and which other team would give the Vikings this type of deal? If the decision is to move on from Cousins and his contract, it's probably the Browns, Redskins, and a couple other teams that make sense and that's it
This isn't a full on rebuild but it's a roster that needs tweaking, changes, and is up against the cap. The Wilfs have committed to Kwesi and his vision for four years. I'm assuming that will also go with whomever he selects to be coach.
@"supafreak84" said:@"Havoc1649" said: I’m not buying this. It would be an absolutely moronic trade by the Vikings. Save very little, take a big hit in QB play, and get a 3r for the trouble? 2 firsts would be minimum. Dumb idea.Would Mayfield in a McConnell ran offense interest you? If so there's one first round pick and he would flourish if used in the same fashion Kyler Murray is used. If Cousins met his conditions, there's another first round pick, plus the 3rd this year. What do you believe Cousins value to be, and which other team would give the Vikings this type of deal? If the decision is to move on from Cousins and his contract, it's probably the Browns, Redskins, and a couple other teams that make sense and that's it
This isn't a full on rebuild but it's a roster that needs tweaking, changes, and is up against the cap. The Wilfs have committed to Kwesi and his vision for four years. I'm assuming that will also go with whomever he selects to be coach.
Think the Redskins, I mean Washington football team, have pretty much burned the Kirk Cousins bridge for any future reunion.
@"Vikeking2" said:https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/01/the-browns-must-explore-trades-for-aaron-rodgers-derek-carr-kirk-cousins-jimmy-garoppolo-russell-wilson-and-other-qbs-this-offseason-mary-kay-cabot.html@"purplefaithful" said: Until I see Mary Kay Cabot involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo. wish i could find it. but i saw earlier a story that said she was one of the first to bring it up. the story had a screenshot of her on a podcast."The Browns also have obvious connections to Cousins, who spent two seasons in Minnesota with Kevin Stefanski -- in 2018 as his QB coach then interim offensive coordinator, and 2019 as his full-time coordinator. In 2019, Cousins went 10-5 and finished with a career-high 107.4 rating, fourth in the NFL. He also threw 26 touchdowns against a career-low six interceptions. He completed 69.1 of his attempts and set a Vikings season record for completions with 425 and the second-most passing yards (4,298).
The Vikings are searching for a head coach to replace the fired Mike Zimmer, and hired their new GM on Tuesday in former Browns Vice President of Football Operations Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. If the Vikings opt for a new QB, Adofo-Mensah and Berry could possibly discuss a trade for Cousins, fourth last season with a 103.1 rating, that may or may not involve Mayfield. The Vikings have the No. 12 pick in the draft, one ahead of the Browns.Cousins, whose future will depend in large part on the new coach, has a base salary of $35 million in 2022, the final year of his contract. Mayfield is heading into his fifth-year option year at $18.858 million."@"minny65" said:@"AGRforever" said:Mayfield is owed 18M this year. You want us to pick up 25M of Kirks salary. That's a cap savings of $2M and a third rounder plus a conditional. I know some of yall hate Kirk but damn, the guy is a top couple QB. Lets see what a new coach can get out of him before we kick him to the curb. Its not like there's a Mahomes/Allen in the draft we can go get.Mayfield is in his last year contract at close to $19We are on the hook for $10 million for Kirk no matter what - signing bonus. Kirk's 2022 salary is 35.
If the Browns were to assume 25 million then that leaves us with 20 to Kirk to not play for us and the 19 million for Mayfield = 39 million vs 45 million as is now - savings of 6 million.
So, you have a 4th year QB, age 26, who has showed flashes of above average play IMO (injuries destroyed his progress last year), save 6 million, get a 3rd this year, and a potential 1st rounder in 2023??? Or you stick with Cousin, who's only 33, never injured, and easily a Top 10 QB or higher but you have $45 million committed to him but you can extend and reduce that number by more than 6 million probably??
The above scenario, right now for me, I would want a little more from Cleveland.
This will be Kwesi's second biggest decision after hiring a HC. I think it will come down to if Kwesi thinks we are a few fixes/players away and stick with a redo Cousins or do we start a 2 year rebuild with a guy like Mayfield having a shot.
I'd take Mayfield over Cousins in a heartbeat. Especially, with a 3rd this year and a 1st rounder in 2023? You kidding' me?Done like dinner. And I like KC.
@"supafreak84" said:@"AGRforever" said:Mayfield is owed 18M this year. You want us to pick up 25M of Kirks salary. That's a cap savings of $2M and a third rounder plus a conditional. I know some of yall hate Kirk but damn, the guy is a top couple QB. Lets see what a new coach can get out of him before we kick him to the curb. Its not like there's a Mahomes/Allen in the draft we can go get.No @"AGRforever" said:
Mayfield is owed 18M this year. You want us to pick up 25M of Kirks salary. That's a cap savings of $2M and a third rounder plus a conditional.
I know some of yall hate Kirk but damn, the guy is a top couple QB. Lets see what a new coach can get out of him before we kick him to the curb. Its not like there's a Mahomes/Allen in the draft we can go get.No under the proposal Clevland would pick up 25 million of Cousins salary and the Vikings would only be on the hook for 10 million this season..
I'd personally love to see Mayfield in a more wide open offense. Cleveland would be perfect for Cousins. Heavy run game for play action and the offensive line is solid. I think he could thrive there under Stefanski again and Mayfield may finally come around to being the player everyone expected. As far as trade scenarios go, this one is certainly plausible and beneficial for both franchises.
I'm pretty sure Kirk's salary is 35 million plus 10 million SB = 45If the Browns pick up 25 million we are still 20 in the hole. The 10 million is fixed in any trade because signing bonus.
Then you add Mayfield at 19 so we would have 39 million sunk into the starting QB vs 45 million if we stay the course (less if we extend).
The Vikings would have to eat part of his salary. Either way they are still in the hole.
@"Vikeking2" said:https://kfan.iheart.com/content/2022-01-26-rumors-already-swirling-out-of-cle-surrounding-mayfieldcousins-trade/@"purplefaithful" said: Until I see Mary Kay Cabot involved this is nothing but pure speculation imo. wish i could find it. but i saw earlier a story that said she was one of the first to bring it up. the story had a screenshot of her on a podcast.
The biggest reason for trading Kirk is to fix our cap. Paying for Baker and part of Kirk's deal doesn't do that. Just more...
I think this trade gives us more options as far as cap flexibility so thats a plus but as far as the compensation goes its a bad deal.
Their 3rd this year is a mid pack third, people keep assuming we would see another first coming our way, but if Kirk goes there and does well,( which is what it would take for that additional pick to become a first) we have to assume the Browns will be picking later in the draft next year, let's say mid to late 20s, factor in that the pick is a year later, so we are essentially getting a mid third and a late 2nd and 6 mill in cap relief for him.
Seems awfully light for a guy that supposedly is superbowl ready with only a better OL. ( I don't necessarily agree, but its been said plenty) if Kirk would do an extension that lowers his number this year to about that 39 max that we would see from this deal, keep his cap number under 15% of the cap in any future year, and agree to a future trade, then I say extend him.
He has to be smarter though than rogers and know the team is going to be aggressive in finding his replacement and no way should the team lock themselves in with KC with no outs, or enter into a new deal that financially prevents them from making the moves to build back the defense and improve his protection.
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