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Harbaugh: Don't count out the Vikings

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New rumor this week is Harbaughs chances of returning to the NFL are slimming, but to not count out the Vikings to make a surprise push for him. More could come this week. This according to a reporter who used to work for the Detroit Free Press and has connections in Ann Arbor. Stay tuned 

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#1 · Jan 24, 9:08 PM
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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: Cooperation. Ego supression. Building for sustained long term success.

Harbaugh embodies none of the above.

Now, we pair this with another move that looks like pure cronyism.

My bride just sharted in her wedding dress at the reception after making out with the best man.


2 of those 3 are absolutely false. He's extremely cooperative, coaches but loves his players, you can question whether he wants to build for sustained success. He's always in win-now mode 



@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said:
Cooperation.
Ego supression.
Building for sustained long term success.

Harbaugh embodies none of the above.

Now, we pair this with another move that looks like pure cronyism.

My bride just sharted in her wedding dress at the reception after making out with the best man.


2 of those 3 are absolutely false. He's extremely cooperative, coaches but loves his players, you can question whether he wants to build for sustained success. He's always in win-now mode 


I think he's a long-shot myself - for here anyways. 

He and KAM have some history and he should be interviewed if he's expressed interest here. But anyone watching Michigan football would probably agree that they dont see anything progressive, cutting edge or not "reeking of yester-year" football wise with him.  

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#82 · Jan 30, 9:55 AM
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Please No Harbaugh...Please I beg you Wilf family.

For the last few years Zimmer had run his course and last year it reached a peak for me as a 45yr fan.  It was the first time I could ever remember disliking the HC and QB of my team.  

Harbaugh would make that even worse for me.  All this media and insight about how he is not so bad......Actions speak louder than words and I know he is a complete ass*ole since his playing days and he has not changed with age.

I don't think his schtick would be accepted in the NFL after 8 years...it was running low when he left.  

I am feeling Kwesi the last few rumored interviews.

Now we have Ryans and O'Connell rumored to be coming in for seconds - between those 2 I would want O'Connell.  

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#83 · Jan 30, 10:03 AM
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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: Cooperation. Ego supression. Building for sustained long term success.

Harbaugh embodies none of the above.

Now, we pair this with another move that looks like pure cronyism.

My bride just sharted in her wedding dress at the reception after making out with the best man.


2 of those 3 are absolutely false. He's extremely cooperative, coaches but loves his players, you can question whether he wants to build for sustained success. He's always in win-now mode 


So, you're saying his bride did not shart her wedding dress?

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#84 · Jan 30, 10:05 AM
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I am looking forward to Harbaugh and Watson.

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#85 · Jan 30, 10:10 AM
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Well, they've interviewed something like 10 HC candidates so far, with two of them squaring off in tonight's NFCC game, so I'd say that there's at least a few more interviews ahead.

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#86 · Jan 30, 10:11 AM
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@"AGRforever" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
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@"Hawkvike25" said: He did well with the 49ers a long long fome ago. If he’s such a QB whisperer then why have all of his QBs been average at best at Michigan? I see this as a big time gamble and idk if I want a weirdo like Harbaugh 
We dont need to whisper to QBs. We already have one of the most accurate ones around. We need a leader of men.

Take whats working on offense. Bring in new eyes on D and win a friggin championship. 



I was responding to someone saying he is a QB whisperer. Did he have success in the NFL? Yes, but that was 8 years ago. Why is he such a better candidate than the others we have spoke with? Because of what happened nearly a decade ago? He was one 8-4 season away from being fired by Michigan and I would bet a lot of Michigan fans would say he has not met expectations since becoming HC


……lol……because he’s actually had success???  We’re at best throwing out a prayer that any of the young coordinators can turn a franchise around. 


Success 8 years ago doesnt make it a guarantee that he will be better than anyone else we are talking to. He won one big ten championship at Michigan, it’s not like we are talking to a guy that left the NFL and was coaching for a national title contender. Maybe he would be good in the NFL again, but a lot has changed so I think it’s fair to be skeptical of the ceiling

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#87 · Jan 30, 10:14 AM
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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"JustinTime18™" said: Cooperation. Ego supression. Building for sustained long term success.

Harbaugh embodies none of the above.

Now, we pair this with another move that looks like pure cronyism.

My bride just sharted in her wedding dress at the reception after making out with the best man.


2 of those 3 are absolutely false. He's extremely cooperative, coaches but loves his players, you can question whether he wants to build for sustained success. He's always in win-now mode 


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#88 · Jan 30, 10:16 AM
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@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said:
@"AGRforever" said:
@"Hawkvike25" said: He did well with the 49ers a long long fome ago. If he’s such a QB whisperer then why have all of his QBs been average at best at Michigan? I see this as a big time gamble and idk if I want a weirdo like Harbaugh 
We dont need to whisper to QBs. We already have one of the most accurate ones around. We need a leader of men.

Take whats working on offense. Bring in new eyes on D and win a friggin championship. 



I was responding to someone saying he is a QB whisperer. Did he have success in the NFL? Yes, but that was 8 years ago. Why is he such a better candidate than the others we have spoke with? Because of what happened nearly a decade ago? He was one 8-4 season away from being fired by Michigan and I would bet a lot of Michigan fans would say he has not met expectations since becoming HC


……lol……because he’s actually had success???  We’re at best throwing out a prayer that any of the young coordinators can turn a franchise around. 


Success 8 years ago doesnt make it a guarantee that he will be better than anyone else we are talking to. He won one big ten championship at Michigan, it’s not like we are talking to a guy that left the NFL and was coaching for a national title contender. Maybe he would be good in the NFL again, but a lot has changed so I think it’s fair to be skeptical of the ceiling


College kids have to put up with an assh***.  NFL players do not, and Harbaugh is too old to be punching people in the face and not getting laid right out which I would be all for.  His hot-headed disposition and attitude are no longer fit to be coaching in the NFL level.  

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I get that Harbaugh is abrasive but it seems like half the people bashing him for not getting along with his GM in SF also wanted Doug Pedersen… who had the same clashes. 

I’d be all for Harbaugh. 

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@"pattersaur" said: I get that Harbaugh is abrasive but it seems like half the people bashing him for not getting along with his GM in SF also wanted Doug Pedersen… who had the same clashes. 

I’d be all for Harbaugh. 


I live in the Philly market - Pederson was undermined and handcuffed - I also hate the Eagles so for me to admit that is I think revealing.  

Harbaugh has had clashes since he was a player and everywhere else, he has gone.  Looking into a mirror Jim:  Geez I clash with everyone what is the common denominator?  Not me, I'm Jim Harbaugh :)

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Strictly speaking as to when he coached the 49'ers, maybe he had good reason to beef with Baalke.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/27/report-adrian-wilson-in-trent-baalke-out-as-jaguars-g-m/ 

A league source tells PFT that Leftwich basically gave the Jaguars an ultimatum: It’s me or Trent.

It’s a stunning move, but it underscores the concerns many had about owner Shad Khan’s decision to keep Baalke around. As one league source explains it to PFT, multiple candidates refused to even interview for the Jacksonville job if Baalke was going to remain in place as the General Manager.

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@"minny65" said:
@"pattersaur" said: I get that Harbaugh is abrasive but it seems like half the people bashing him for not getting along with his GM in SF also wanted Doug Pedersen… who had the same clashes. 

I’d be all for Harbaugh. 


I live in the Philly market - Pederson was undermined and handcuffed - I also hate the Eagles so for me to admit that is I think revealing.  

Harbaugh has had clashes since he was a player and everywhere else, he has gone.  Looking into a mirror Jim:  Geez I clash with everyone what is the common denominator?  Not me, I'm Jim Harbaugh :)



I'll speak for myself as someone who does not want Harbaugh.  I just thought/think that Pederson should have been interviewed as well as Daboll.  I never said Pederson was a no brainer selection but what he did in putting that season, coaching staff, team, with a career backup and beat the Patriots in the SB is pretty darn impressive even for an Eagle hater like me.  

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@"VikingOracle" said:
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@"VikingOracle" said: And you don't think he would help out Harbaugh if asked?  If not they don't have much of a relationship.

Yes, I am sure Harbaugh pumps up all his draft eligible players.  But does he tell the scouts the negative stuff?

Finally, the interview process also helps the team, as the interviewee will be assessing the team.  Interviews can produce valuable insights.  So, it is a win for everyone.


Harbaugh wouldn't do this regardless? Again, if they have a relationship it wouldn't require some sort of tit for tat. And would, as you say, be a win for everyone. 


I am sorry, but I was responding to you writing this: "I'd lose all respect for Kwesi if less than a week on the job he knowingly allowed himself to be used for a buddy to get a pay bump."  Now, you are agreeing with me that interviewing Harbaugh would be a "win for everyone."  Confused. 


Not what I'm saying at all. I'm discussing your thought that a sham interview to get Harbaugh more money would some how change the way in which Harbaugh talks to Kwesi about Michigan players. If they have a relationship theres no reason he wouldn't give his best Intel on a player. Regardless of a sham interview.

The win win I speak of if Harbaugh gives good intel is the Vikes win from play acquisition standpoint. Michigan wins because the more players drafted the more it helps recruiting . 

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@"bigbone62" said:
@"VikingOracle" said:
@"bigbone62" said:
@"VikingOracle" said: And you don't think he would help out Harbaugh if asked?  If not they don't have much of a relationship.

Yes, I am sure Harbaugh pumps up all his draft eligible players.  But does he tell the scouts the negative stuff?

Finally, the interview process also helps the team, as the interviewee will be assessing the team.  Interviews can produce valuable insights.  So, it is a win for everyone.


Harbaugh wouldn't do this regardless? Again, if they have a relationship it wouldn't require some sort of tit for tat. And would, as you say, be a win for everyone. 


I am sorry, but I was responding to you writing this: "I'd lose all respect for Kwesi if less than a week on the job he knowingly allowed himself to be used for a buddy to get a pay bump."  Now, you are agreeing with me that interviewing Harbaugh would be a "win for everyone."  Confused. 

The win win I speak of if Harbaugh gives good intel is the Vikes win from play acquisition standpoint. Michigan wins because the more players drafted the more it helps recruiting . 



 The intel I am talking about is the bad intel -- the character flaws that may not be seen -- the Underwood intel.   This type of intel hurts draft status.  As you say, Harbaugh has the motivation to blow smoke up scounts' asses in order to improve the draft status of Michigan players -- so giving Kwesi more insider information would be valuable.  Moreover, this type of itching each other back is very prevalent at this level.  You are basically saying Kwesi would just be helping Harbaugh for no benefit at all and therefore you would be disappointed with Kwesis for doing so.  You don't think Kwesi doing a favor will not have an impact down the road.  Interesting view of the altruistic nature of man.

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@"VikingOracle" said:
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The win win I speak of if Harbaugh gives good intel is the Vikes win from play acquisition standpoint. Michigan wins because the more players drafted the more it helps recruiting . 



 The intel I am talking about is the bad intel -- the character flaws that may not be seen -- the Underwood intel.   This type of intel hurts draft status.  As you say, Harbaugh has the motivation to blow smoke up scounts' asses in order to improve the draft status of Michigan players -- so giving Kwesi more insider information would be valuable.  Moreover, this type of itching each other back is very prevalent at this level.  You are basically saying Kwesi would just be helping Harbaugh for no benefit at all and therefore you would be disappointed with Kwesis for doing so.  You don't think Kwesi doing a favor will not have an impact down the road.  Interesting view of the altruistic nature of man.


Also, if Harbaugh called Kwesi asked him to have an "exploratory conversation" with him regarding the HC position -- especially since Harbaugh was forced to renegotiate his Michigan salary down about a year ago -- and Kwesi told Harbaugh no -- you don't think that would influence Harbaugh going forward?

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@"VikingOracle" said:
@"bigbone62" said:
@"VikingOracle" said:
@"bigbone62" said:
@"VikingOracle" said: And you don't think he would help out Harbaugh if asked?  If not they don't have much of a relationship.

Yes, I am sure Harbaugh pumps up all his draft eligible players.  But does he tell the scouts the negative stuff?

Finally, the interview process also helps the team, as the interviewee will be assessing the team.  Interviews can produce valuable insights.  So, it is a win for everyone.


Harbaugh wouldn't do this regardless? Again, if they have a relationship it wouldn't require some sort of tit for tat. And would, as you say, be a win for everyone. 


I am sorry, but I was responding to you writing this: "I'd lose all respect for Kwesi if less than a week on the job he knowingly allowed himself to be used for a buddy to get a pay bump."  Now, you are agreeing with me that interviewing Harbaugh would be a "win for everyone."  Confused. 

The win win I speak of if Harbaugh gives good intel is the Vikes win from play acquisition standpoint. Michigan wins because the more players drafted the more it helps recruiting . 



 The intel I am talking about is the bad intel -- the character flaws that may not be seen -- the Underwood intel.   This type of intel hurts draft status.  As you say, Harbaugh has the motivation to blow smoke up scounts' asses in order to improve the draft status of Michigan players -- so giving Kwesi more insider information would be valuable.  Moreover, this type of itching each other back is very prevalent at this level.  You are basically saying Kwesi would just be helping Harbaugh for no benefit at all and therefore you would be disappointed with Kwesis for doing so.  You don't think Kwesi doing a favor will not have an impact down the road.  Interesting view of the altruistic nature of man.


Great points by both of you and it may even have an impact as early as this Draft. Michigan’s top DE will probably go top 3 but their other guy might be there when we’re on the clock at 12. 

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@"purplefaithful" said: https://twitter.com/KFAN1003/status/1487788674402205709?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet


im happy with any of these 3. all for different reasons. 

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