Tom Moore Nuggets
Vikefans founder Tom Moore tweeted yesterday that he had heard Zimmer was going to be fired had the Vikings lost to the Chargers or Packers. Will be interesting to see if the Wilf’s make a move Friday if they lose to Pittsburgh.
He won't be fired until after the last game even if they go 0-5 the rest of the way. They probably will beat Pittsburgh but Zim is toast regardless.
@"comet52" said: He won't be fired until after the last game even if they go 0-5 the rest of the way. They probably will beat Pittsburgh but Zim is toast regardless.
Agreed - unless Zimmer completely loses the locker room he'll finish out the year.
I'm not convinced they beat Pittsburgh. Not if they have to field the same team Thursday they did in Detroit.
No: Griffen, Thielen, Barr, Kendricks, P2, Cook, Darrisaw
They'll get some guys back on D. They are favored which tells you how bad Pittsburgh is. And the road team has a distinct disadvantage in Thursday games.
Still, it's Mike Zimmer, so don't go and bet the ranch in Kentucky on it lol.
Short of the timing, I can't see firing him if he loses to contender and not firing him for losing to the Lions....
I could see after losing to a team like the Lions or some of the not so great teams we lost two, but doesn't make sense after two playoff teams who we were not favored to beat.
If they lose to Pittsburgh, the advantage to firing Zimmer Friday is that you can start your search process with agents of coaches without having to tip toe around word getting back to incumbent coach.
Let’s be honest. After losing to Detroit-and almost losing to them twice- the Vikings’ season is like a patient with pancreatic cancer. It’s about when, not if Zimmer’s fired.
@"Lee 19" said: If they lose to Pittsburgh, the advantage to firing Zimmer Friday is that you can start your search process with agents of coaches without having to tip toe around word getting back to incumbent coach.I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't look at the schedule and say its a short week, let's wait until Friday and that gives any interem coach an extra 3 days to get his shit together.
The Vikings have the facilities, the stadium, the ownership, the roster and the fanbase to be attractive to a HC candidate. If you are going to fire Zimmer than you really should fire Spielman as well and start fresh. But I think the Wilfs like Spielman and he'll remain.
@"StickyBun" said: The Vikings have the facilities, the stadium, the ownership, the roster and the fanbase to be attractive to a HC candidate. If you are going to fire Zimmer than you really should fire Spielman as well and start fresh. But I think the Wilfs like Spielman and he'll remain.Ah yes...."starting fresh." The opium of every NFL fan.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: The Vikings have the facilities, the stadium, the ownership, the roster and the fanbase to be attractive to a HC candidate. If you are going to fire Zimmer than you really should fire Spielman as well and start fresh. But I think the Wilfs like Spielman and he'll remain. Ah yes...."starting fresh." The opium of every NFL fan.
Well, every franchise that has improved and won a Superbowl had to start 'fresh' at some point. I mean, Zimmer has had 8 years, its not like the guy hasn't had a chance. To your point, nothing is guaranteed with a new regime and I realize that. As far as opium goes, we're all NFL drug addicts anyway.
It's over Johnny.
I think they're going to lose vs Pitt..But Zimmer will finish the season.
Something tells me the holiday spirit isnt permeating the halls in Eagan about now.
I don't think its a talent issue. Zim has to go. Rick? Maybe...but I lean towards keeping him.
@"JustinTime18™" said: I don't think its a talent issue. Zim has to go. Rick? Maybe...but I lean towards keeping him.Always the $1mm question right? Talent vs Coaching
I think there is a lot of talent on the squad that's over-rated and/or over the hill.
If it wasn't for the magnificence of the offensive skill players? This team would be sniffing a top 3 pick.
@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"StickyBun" said: The Vikings have the facilities, the stadium, the ownership, the roster and the fanbase to be attractive to a HC candidate. If you are going to fire Zimmer than you really should fire Spielman as well and start fresh. But I think the Wilfs like Spielman and he'll remain. Ah yes...."starting fresh." The opium of every NFL fan.
Well, every franchise that has improved and won a Superbowl had to start 'fresh' at some point. I mean, Zimmer has had 8 years, its not like the guy hasn't had a chance. To your point, nothing is guaranteed with a new regime and I realize that. As far as opium goes, we're all NFL drug addicts anyway.
Zimmer needs to go. And the guy who replaces him will likely want to make a few changes based on his own style of offense and/or defense.That doesn't mean you take the NFL's 2nd youngest roster and tear it up. So you can have, what, the NFL's 1st youngest roster?
There is one--and really only one--player the Vikings need to make a tough decision about: Kirk Cousins. So they will either trade him (possible, but depends a lot on who the HC is, what they think of Mond and the
22 QB class) or extend him (a little more likely IMO). Either way, they free up a whole helluva lot of cap space.
Miscellaneous Thoughts about this thread:
- The NFL draft is also the opium of NFL fandom.
- The reason to fire Zim now -- he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches -- he cares deeply about his personal statistics and little about player development. The Vikings should be in player development mode -- let all those 6 and 7 round draft picks on the field, put injured starters on IR. Won't happen if Zim control game day decisions.
- The Wilfs must not hire a coach that has paid his dues (Zimmer and Childress). Find the brightest young mind with real leadership and hire him.
- Firing Zim now also lets the Wilfs truly assess the coaching staff and Spielman's draft picks without having to figure out Zimmer's influence.
@"JustinTime18™" said: I don't think its a talent issue. Zim has to go. Rick? Maybe...but I lean towards keeping him.Zim yes. Rick I'm 50/50 on. Before the season I'd say keep him for sure, but the fact is the OL is STILL bad, all the money we spent on defense the past 2 offseasons has gone up in smoke, and Kirk is due $44M next year to captain a bad team. There are strong arguments for both keeping him and booting him.
But yeah firing Zim on a short week before TNF was always unlikely. If we beat PIT he finishes out the season for sure and there's actually still a real chance we make playoffs. If we get blown out by a mediocre PIT team at home then I wouldn't be shocked if he's gone on Friday.
Personally I think RS needs to go along with Zim. Why would we trust Rick to pick the next coach after being so "giddy" after the Zim hire? The Wilfs have given Rick and Zim pretty much everything they wanted and neither could bring the winning culture back to the Vikings. Sure, there have been a couple promising seasons over the last 8 years, but that's not what we were hoping for after year 2 of Zim.
I don't trust RS picking a new coach any more than I would having him pick QBs, CBs, OL, adding free agents or in season stupid trades.
Zygi needs to raise the bar on getting talent and coaching.
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