Cousins melts under pressure, real or perceived

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

You trying to say that your defense only giving up 15.4 PPG is important? Yeah, but giving up 25.4 PPG creates more dialogue :)

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

You trying to say that your defense only giving up 15.4 PPG is important? Yeah, but giving up 25.4 PPG creates more dialogue :)

Maybe I should get out the crayons and draw a picture?

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

You trying to say that your defense only giving up 15.4 PPG is important? Yeah, but giving up 25.4 PPG creates more dialogue :)

Maybe I should get out the crayons and draw a picture?

I get when folks get upset about the poor Kirk turnovers, but there haven't been very many this year. Have there been times and games where the defense has played well? Yes. To still hate Kirk though is simply hilarious, especially when you look at the Defensive PPG Leaders and how many points the Vikes scored vs them:

Cardinals #4 at 18.7 - Vikes Scored 33, but we did have a pick 6, so I will say 27
Green Bay #5 at 20.2 - Vikes Scored 34
Seattle #6 at 20.8 - Vikes Scored 30
Carolina #7 at 21.1 - Vikes Scored 34

"...the Vikings have allowed 101 points in the last two minutes of any half this season. Given that the Vikings have allowed 305 points in their first 12 games, that means that a full one-third of the points that this defense has allowed this season have come in the final two minutes of a half."

Seriously, folks...Cousins isn't even in the team's top 10 problems at this point, maybe not top 20.

@"pattersaur" said:

Since this thread has gone a little off-topic anyways I'll add that holy cow, what a masterful coaching job by Bill Belichek last night. Outgunned, outmanned, in a hostile environment and wild conditions and the guy calls three pass plays and wins! Buffalo had chances and could have stolen the game many different ways but Pats held firm. Impressive. I wonder how many other coaches in the league could win that game with the Pats roster last night. Maybe a few, but certainly not in that same fashion. Was fun to watch.

I always acknowledge that he was very good but I always gave Brady way more of the SB wins credit in the Belly vs Brady debate.  I was happy Brady won the SB last year and confirmed my preconceived notion that Brady carried Belly.  Plus the Patriots sucked last year with Cam.  Well it took the one offseason for him to turn that roster upside down.  Signed a bunch of free agents and spent big time.  Belly is not a good drafter, when you look at his record, but of course Brady in the 6th and now Mac at 15 at the most important position on a team. 

Prior to the game I was excited to watch Dabol's offense vs Pats Defense.  Dabol was such a hot HC candidate in fandom coming into this season but that has faded as the Bills have struggled for any balance on Offense.  I am knocking Dabol down at all but The Belly certainly won that matchup.  I also think Sean McDermott is a Top-tier coach and I like crappy weather games going back to the PPE so I really enjoyed that game last night.  That is what happens when you have no skin in the game because I have not enjoyed watching the Vikings at all this year.   

Lastly, I had Mac Jones as my distant 4 QB, after Lawrence, Wilson, drop off to Fields but still Top 10, then Mac in teens/20's along with Lance.  Mac Jones has been the best rookie QB and is an excellent game manager who does not turn the ball over - perfect for a rookie and the Belly system.   

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

So you are sayin that Mac Jones is carrying the team and would have here with our awesome Defense and fine rookie OC.  

@"minny65" said:

@"pattersaur" said:

Since this thread has gone a little off-topic anyways I'll add that holy cow, what a masterful coaching job by Bill Belichek last night. Outgunned, outmanned, in a hostile environment and wild conditions and the guy calls three pass plays and wins! Buffalo had chances and could have stolen the game many different ways but Pats held firm. Impressive. I wonder how many other coaches in the league could win that game with the Pats roster last night. Maybe a few, but certainly not in that same fashion. Was fun to watch.

Yea, Bellycheat did prove he is one of the Top coaches, no doubt.

I always acknowledge that he was very good but I always gave Brady way more of the SB wins credit in the Belly vs Brady debate.  I was happy Brady won the SB last year and confirmed my preconceived notion that Brady carried Belly.  Plus the Patriots sucked last year with Cam.  Well it took the one offseason for him to turn that roster upside down.  Signed a bunch of free agents and spent big time.  Belly is not a good drafter, when you look at his record, but of course Brady in the 6th and now Mac at 15 at the most important position on a team. 

Prior to the game I was excited to watch Dabol's offense vs Pats Defense.  Dabol was such a hot HC candidate in fandom coming into this season but that has faded as the Bills have struggled for any balance on Offense.  I am knocking Dabol down at all but The Belly certainly won that matchup.  I also think Sean McDermott is a Top-tier coach and I like crappy weather games going back to the PPE so I really enjoyed that game last night.  That is what happens when you have no skin in the game because I have not enjoyed watching the Vikings at all this year.   

Lastly, I had Mac Jones as my distant 4 QB, after Lawrence, Wilson, drop off to Fields but still Top 10, then Mac in teens/20's along with Lance.  Mac Jones has been the best rookie QB and is an excellent game manager who does not turn the ball over - perfect for a rookie and the Belly system.   

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

In the past 5 games, the Patriots have scored 14 (in a tsunami), 36, 25, 45 (against the Browns who we couldn't even score more than 1 TD), and 24 points.  Much easier for a defense to play with a big lead.  So quit acting like if we had the Patriots defense, we'd be a great team.

We've seen Kirk with a strong defense in 2018 and 2019 and we won 8 games and 10 games...  he had 2 stud WRs and Dalvin too...  but keep dreaming if he just had this or that we'd be really good!!!

Watch some actual football and quit mining Twitter for nerd stats.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"JustinTime18™" said: 0-2.

Try again. 

Hint: 5 games allowing 3 points  after half is kinda important.

Patriots have averaged almost 30 ppg this season with a rookie QB.

In the past 5 games, the Patriots have scored 14 (in a tsunami), 36, 25, 45 (against the Browns who we couldn't even score more than 1 TD), and 24 points.  Much easier for a defense to play with a big lead.  So quit acting like if we had the Patriots defense, we'd be a great team.

We've seen Kirk with a strong defense in 2018 and 2019 and we won 8 games and 10 games...  he had 2 stud WRs and Dalvin too...  but keep dreaming if he just had this or that we'd be really good!!!

Is Kirk the biggest problem on this team? Heck no! Not even top 5. But that doesn’t mean he’s the solution.

Many of the people defending Kirk now are the same people who were swearing up and down just last offseason that the roster was in great shape, we’d win the North (over the 26-6 the past 2 seasons Packers…), and that Zimmer will figure it out now because last year was covid’s fault. I respect the optimism I genuinely do, or I wouldn’t keep coming back here to read all of your thoughts, but hopefully you’ll forgive some of my skepticism.

You might all be right about Kirk and if I’m wrong and he sets the world on fire next year and the Vikings are an actual, real-life SB contender than I’ll be the first to admit it. But if I had to bet, I think by next offseason most fans will be off the Kirk bandwagon just like most are finally off Zim’s now. Time will tell. If I had my druthers the Vikings wouldn’t waste another season getting to that point. But hey what do I know. Just win football games. Please.

@"pattersaur" said: Is Kirk the biggest problem on this team? Heck no! Not even top 5. But that doesn’t mean he’s the solution.

Many of the people defending Kirk now are the same people who were swearing up and down just last offseason that the roster was in great shape, we’d win the North (over the 26-6 the past 2 seasons Packers…), and that Zimmer will figure it out now because last year was covid’s fault. I respect the optimism I genuinely do, or I wouldn’t keep coming back here to read all of your thoughts, but hopefully you’ll forgive some of my skepticism.

You might all be right about Kirk and if I’m wrong and he sets the world on fire next year and the Vikings are an actual, real-life SB contender than I’ll be the first to admit it. But if I had to bet, I think by next offseason most fans will be off the Kirk bandwagon just like most are finally off Zim’s now. Time will tell. If I had my druthers the Vikings wouldn’t waste another season getting to that point. But hey what do I know. Just win football games. Please.

Again, bottom quarter of the NFL line protection...since he got here.  What could he do with even a mid-pack line?  He's got some gaudy stats despite being mauled on a constant basis, and doesn't miss games.

I hardly think it's unreasonable to point out, when comparing him to "elite QBs", that his results get pretty close with less protection...which makes the premise of this thread truly fuggin' ridiculous.

Take all the time you need. 

@"JustinTime18™" said:

Take all the time you need. 

By your own chart Mac Jones (who I think you were dumping on in another thread yeaterday) is also good. So is Tua. So are a lot of guys who might have different intangibles than Kirk that help their team to win football games. Maybe it really is as simple as, “give him time and he’ll produce,” but if the Vikings can’t give him time then what use is that? I’m personally just ready to try someone new back there. Just my opinion. What we have and what we’ve been doing is not working. 

Dumping on Mac Jones? I have no fucking idea how you came up with that. He's been the benefactor of a D that has given up 3 points in the second half of the past 5 games. 

@"JustinTime18™" said: Dumping on Mac Jones? I have no fucking idea how you came up with that. He's been the benefactor of a D that has given up 3 points in the second half of the past 5 games. 

Goddamnit Cousins

@"StickyBun" said: Goddamnit Cousins

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@"StickyBun" said: Goddamnit Cousins

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