Cousins melts under pressure, real or perceived
ffs
@"purplefaithful" said:@"Vikergirl" said: Oh good lord he is not why they lost no it's not...and if the D doesnt shit their pants the last drive?this thread doesnt exist.
To be fair i made the thread before halftime, right after Kirk had a huge pocket to step up into, but chose to go sideways and pansy a shovel pass into the dirt for a grounding penalty.Ive never said Kirk is the reason we lose, but he’s our most important and highest paid player, who has proven he cannot elevate a team.
LOFL!
The pure ignorance of these posts blaming Cousins as the D shits the bed over and over continues to amaze.
Bunch of fucking morons.
@"BarrNone55" said: LOFL!Observation #9 in Vikings Loss at Detroit - Speaking of Cousins, he has led his team back 7 times this year in the 4th quarter to take the lead. His team (his defense) has lost 4 of the 7. That's not a loss on him.The pure ignorance of these posts blaming Cousins as the D shits the bed over and over continues to amaze.
Bunch of fucking morons.
Hey BN , how the hell are ya?!
@"StickyBun" said: https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1467603028249300998This is Cousin's fault??
This, like many over these past years and can laid at the feet of our defensive genius coach, Mike Zimmer. Good only when it does not matter, but not prepared to make good decisions when it does matter. Cronin has it 100% correct. No lead is safe with that kind of a defensive approach.
@"Vikergirl" said: Oh good lord he is not why they lostHis play in the first half certainly led to the deficit... and I'm guessing no one noticed, but on the last drive Cousins left 10-12 seconds on the play clock on both 2nd and 3rd down with a running clock. If he waits until it's under 3 seconds both times, the Lions don't have enough time for the last couple plays of the game... and the Vikings probably win.
Detroit scored the most points they have scored all year.....Kirk doesn't play defense.
The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win.
Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.
@"Wetlander" said:Yep. Even more minor but also odd: when Detroit was driving at the very end, down four with about 45 seconds left, Kirk was studying the ipad. Not hanging with his teammates, not with his coaches, just watching film. This is nitpicking I know but there was literally 0% chance he’d come back in and do anything other than take a knee. Seems like being with the team would be more important in that moment then film study. JMO.@"Vikergirl" said: Oh good lord he is not why they lost His play in the first half certainly led to the deficit... and I'm guessing no one noticed, but on the last drive Cousins left 10-12 seconds on the play clock on both 2nd and 3rd down with a running clock. If he waits until it's under 3 seconds both times, the Lions don't have enough time for the last couple plays of the game... and the Vikings probably win.The defense and coaching are why we lost, NOT Kirk. And Kirk did a great job of feeding Jefferson today, but I don’t know. If the Vikings move on from him I won’t shed a tear.
@"medaille" said:Under this logic, why does any QB get credited with game winning drives to win games? Its all 'accumulation', right??The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win. Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.
Yeah, Cousins does all kinds of football, including average. And he played well enough to for the Vikings to win this game.
So, let me see if I understand.
Lions haven't scored 20 in a game since week 1.
Vikings D gives up 20 to said team IN ONE QUARTER OF FOOTBALL.
Cousins is to blame.
Gotcha.
I'm not saying we have stupidest fan base in the NFL, but we're definitely in the window licker division if you believe that.
@"jargomcfargo" said:Actually, he has...but, if everybody he can see is covered and he's about to get steamrolled (all too often), he has to take what he can see in a tiny amount of time.@"StickyBun" said: Guys: the O line is a shit show. Please stop with blaming Cousins. Z needs to go. You are right about Cousins but can someone please tell me why he can't throw more than a two yard pass on 3rd and long. A lot of bad to mediocre players playing for the Vikings now, but Cousins isn't helping them out much.I think it completely escapes people that QBs have to move, scan, process, and throw with a fraction of the visibility viewers get.
@"medaille" said:If Kirk's blindside had ANY f**king blocking in the first half, you think he might've had a better result?The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win. Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.
In yesterday's game, they had exactly twice the QB pressures that we had....
@"Zanary" said:@"medaille" said:The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win. Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.If Kirk's blindside had ANY f**king blocking in the first half, you think he might've had a better result?In yesterday's game, they had exactly twice the QB pressures that we had....
and they were missing their top pass rusher in Flowers, as well as another DL starter who is on the IR. we always hear about the players our team is missing and its a running excuse for poor play, but they are all professionals and its the coaches job to make sure they are ready when their number is called... they werent.still Cousins makes his share of WTF throws and needs to be called out from time to time.
The #Vikings are No. 30 in the NFL in total defense. The only time they've ever finished a season that low was in Leslie Frazier's final season of 2013, when they were No. 31.
— Chris Tomasson (@christomasson) December 6, 2021
@"Zanary" said:@"medaille" said:The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win. Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.If Kirk's blindside had ANY f**king blocking in the first half, you think he might've had a better result?In yesterday's game, they had exactly twice the QB pressures that we had....
I don't know why you are making this out like we'd be arguing this point, when you're adding another element that I'd agree with but just didn't list.
@"StickyBun" said: https://twitter.com/christomasson/status/1467877784957730822They finished last year ranked #29 in points allowed --- behind all but Jax, Raiders and Lions.
@"StickyBun" said:@"medaille" said:The result of the game is a accumulation of everything that happened in it, not just how it ended. If Kubiak stopped calling so many WR screens on 3rd and long with no blockers, we probably win. If Cousins played above backup caliber in the first half, we probably win. If the defense played better on just the last drive, we probably win. If the defense played better throughout the rest of the game, we probably win. Cousins doesn't do average, competent football. He either plays well or he sucks and it averages out to mediocre, but Zimmer's defense was very poorly schemed today. I would have been blitzing constantly. The last drive was a masterpiece of conservative ineptitude.Under this logic, why does any QB get credited with game winning drives to win games? Its all 'accumulation', right??Yeah, Cousins does all kinds of football, including average. And he played well enough to for the Vikings to win this game.
Nobody cares about game winning drives until you get to the point where you try and figure out why the normal ways of ranking QBs are wrong with your opinion. I do think there's some validity in thinking that a QB who has game winning drives has some clutchness, and Cousins has shown a lot more clutchness the last two years than in previous seasons. In an ideal QB, you'd consistently be winning at the end of the game and not have as many opportunities for game winning drives, and then they'd go out an win a game when behind at the end of the game.I do agree that Cousins played well enough to win if our defense was average, but we also would have won if Cousins didn't completely suck in the first half.
My main point is that I don't agree with the viewpoint that there's only one issue. The defense is the biggest issue, but I don't think Cousins will ever be consistently good enough to win a SB, because he always has some games where he causes the offense to completely disappear. He is getting better, so maybe he'll prove me wrong.
Vikings were a 54 yard field goal and 3 seconds away from being swept by the Lions this year.
Points Allowed = 27th
Total Yards Allowed = 26th
Passing Yards Allowed = 25th
Rushing Yards Allowed = 28th
COUSINS!
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Bills 16-2
Buccaneers 17-1
Vikings 10-8
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