Zimmer -- what does he need to do?

@"MaroonBells" said: I expect it to gel eventually and render this thread moot. I just hope it's not too late when it does. 

you dobt have one option listed….
- He is done no matter what happens
Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

@"VikingOracle" said: Here is another way to look at it:

It is 2013 and you are hiring a new coach.  If you were told that coach would lead the Vikings to an overall record of 65-48-1 record across 8 seasons, a playoff record of 2-3, 2 division crowns and a 17-41 (29%) record against teams that finish with winning records -- would you have hired him?  That is 8 years of your Viking fandom that you will never get back.  Maybe as you get older, you understand that better.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

You would want him gone even if we won the Super Bowl this year? Lolz what?

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

You would want him gone even if we won the Super Bowl this year? Lolz what?

Yup. Because he is not winning the superbowl this year so that option is as good as inexistent. That is how much I want him gone.Enough with the settling.” it is time to try something different.

The fan base doesn't seem to mind mediocrity, why can him?  Give him an extension.  

@"medaille" said:

@"VikingOracle" said: Here is another way to look at it:

It is 2013 and you are hiring a new coach.  If you were told that coach would lead the Vikings to an overall record of 65-48-1 record across 8 seasons, a playoff record of 2-3, 2 division crowns and a 17-41 (29%) record against teams that finish with winning records -- would you have hired him?  That is 8 years of your Viking fandom that you will never get back.  Maybe as you get older, you understand that better.

I guess I don’t understand this perspective.  What is your point?  It sounds like your point is just that you
are unhappy.  What does your perspective give
you if you look at all of our history rather than just Zimmer’s tenure?  My gut feeling says that you’d say something
like, “The Vikings haven’t won a SB and have been a complete waste of time and
I regret having wasted all the Sundays in my life”  Is that in the ballpark?

Playoffs or he and Rick should go. They are good, but we need a shot at great.  

Look what AZ and CLE and the Bolts etc did, of course the Browns had a zillion top 5 picks 

I am not of the mindset that the Wilfs are not committed to winning and making big signings to do so. Say what you will about the outcome, but the KC signing was a big deal. 

I do think they may be loyal to a fault and tend to have a conservative streak within. 

Like much in life, shades of grey...And I aint talking 50 shades. 

Retire

@"Bullazin" said: Playoffs or he and Rick should go. They are good, but we need a shot at great.  

Look what AZ and CLE and the Bolts etc did, of course the Browns had a zillion top 5 picks 

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Playoffs or he and Rick should go. They are good, but we need a shot at great.  

Look what AZ and CLE and the Bolts etc did, of course the Browns had a zillion top 5 picks 

Not saying we are great, but what exactly did AZ, cleveland and LAC do?

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Playoffs or he and Rick should go. They are good, but we need a shot at great.  

Look what AZ and CLE and the Bolts etc did, of course the Browns had a zillion top 5 picks 

Not saying we are great, but what exactly did AZ, cleveland and LAC do?

Made better decisions and are getting better results.

@"greediron" said:

@"Vikergirl" said:

@"greediron" said:

@"Bullazin" said: Playoffs or he and Rick should go. They are good, but we need a shot at great.  

Look what AZ and CLE and the Bolts etc did, of course the Browns had a zillion top 5 picks 

Not saying we are great, but what exactly did AZ, cleveland and LAC do?

Made better decisions and are getting better results.

looking at the trophy cases, not so sure.

Can you imagine if Stefanski wins a championship? He would be right there with Dungy, Billick and Tomlin. I am not saying that Cleveland is winning it this year but they are definitely on the upswing. Sames goes for the Chargers and Cardinals.

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

You would want him gone even if we won the Super Bowl this year? Lolz what?

Yup. Because he is not winning the superbowl this year so that option is as good as inexistent. That is how much I want him gone.Enough with the settling.” it is time to try something different.

I agree with not settling, but the literal question is what does he need to do and if he needs to win the super bowl and does you still want him gone? You want to fire the coach right after winning a super bowl?

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

You would want him gone even if we won the Super Bowl this year? Lolz what?

Yup. Because he is not winning the superbowl this year so that option is as good as inexistent. That is how much I want him gone.Enough with the settling.” it is time to try something different.

I agree with not settling, but the literal question is what does he need to do and if he needs to win the super bowl and does you still want him gone? You want to fire the coach right after winning a super bowl?

Not any coach… Zimmer. If this team wins the super bowl (and this is a MAJOR stretch and fantasy) under him it will not be because he coached the team to win it. Since he has been here he has not won a single game that really mattered. The Minneapolis miracle had no business being a close game. The win in NO was not his doing. So no he needs to go because all we are doing is dancing with above average. This state and fans deserve better than above average, better than good.

@"Wetlander" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said:

@"Hawkvike25" said:

@"mblack" said: you dobt have one option listed…. - He is done no matter what happens Thats the one I would select. Distant second would be winning the superbowl

You would want him gone even if we won the Super Bowl this year? Lolz what?

Yup. Because he is not winning the superbowl this year so that option is as good as inexistent. That is how much I want him gone.Enough with the settling.” it is time to try something different.

I agree with not settling, but the literal question is what does he need to do and if he needs to win the super bowl and does you still want him gone? You want to fire the coach right after winning a super bowl?

Not any coach… Zimmer. If this team wins the super bowl (and this is a MAJOR stretch and fantasy) under him it will not be because he coached the team to win it. Since he has been here he has not won a single game that really mattered. The Minneapolis miracle had no business being a close game. The win in NO was not his doing. So no he needs to go because all we are doing is dancing with above average. This state and fans deserve better than above average, better than good.

So if Zimmer wins games, it's despite him...  but when we lose, it's all his fault?  Seems logical...

@"VikingOracle" said:

@"MaroonBells" said: I expect it to gel eventually and render this thread moot. I just hope it's not too late when it does. 

I think this is why you need to look at the entirety of Zim's career with the Vikings.  Coaches that have been with a team this long already have had their teams "gel" enough to make a SB.  At some point, you just need to say Zim has had enough time.  No more excuses.  He still has plenty of games to meet our respective expectations, let's see if he does so.