Seattle Latest Stadium To Require Vaccine Proof

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"GermanVike" said: Jimmy, I agree that it's not mainly an NFL safety thing. And of course the only "sure thing" would be not to allow any fans into the stadiums, but we already had that last year (w/o the vaccine) and people are sick of it - and the league wants to make more $$$ again, of course.

So now there's the vaccine, it works just as intended, and whoever is vaccinated carries a near 0% risk of severe illness. Half of the US population are fully vaccinated (and another 11-12 % once). These people want their normal lives back, and rightfully so. Therefore the exclusion of unvaccinated ist just consequential: it protects them (with their higher risk) from contracting the virus in the stadium and it also sends them a not so subtle message of: just get vaxxed already and you'll be just fine.

Of course, there are people who cannot get the vaccine for health related issues. But they are also protected by not unneccessarily spreading the virus among the unvaccinated. And I sure hope they are smart enough not to even ponder going to a packed stadium this year anyway....these people are the ones that are really bit in the backside by this virus, but you just can't account for everyone I guess...at least if the majority of us do want to live our normal lifes again anytime soon.

I would go along with all that if the govt showed any inclination to allowing life to return to normal once vaccinated,  but they dont.  they talk about masks and other restrictions on normal regardless.  I dont honestly think a 95% vaccination status would change how fauci and company would run this thing, they have made to many statements and then back tracked over the past year and half for me to believe that they want us to every experience our idea of "normal" ever again.

@"BarrNone55" said: Just found out my Grand Nephew tested positive. 10 years old. My sister is freaking out.

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Just found out my Grand Nephew tested positive. 10 years old. My sister is freaking out.

Hope all turns out Ok, Barr - sorry to hear.

@"Zanary" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"GermanVike" said: Jimmy, I agree that it's not mainly an NFL safety thing. And of course the only "sure thing" would be not to allow any fans into the stadiums, but we already had that last year (w/o the vaccine) and people are sick of it - and the league wants to make more $$$ again, of course.

So now there's the vaccine, it works just as intended, and whoever is vaccinated carries a near 0% risk of severe illness. Half of the US population are fully vaccinated (and another 11-12 % once). These people want their normal lives back, and rightfully so. Therefore the exclusion of unvaccinated ist just consequential: it protects them (with their higher risk) from contracting the virus in the stadium and it also sends them a not so subtle message of: just get vaxxed already and you'll be just fine.

Of course, there are people who cannot get the vaccine for health related issues. But they are also protected by not unneccessarily spreading the virus among the unvaccinated. And I sure hope they are smart enough not to even ponder going to a packed stadium this year anyway....these people are the ones that are really bit in the backside by this virus, but you just can't account for everyone I guess...at least if the majority of us do want to live our normal lifes again anytime soon.

I would go along with all that if the govt showed any inclination to allowing life to return to normal once vaccinated,  but they dont.  they talk about masks and other restrictions on normal regardless.  I dont honestly think a 95% vaccination status would change how fauci and company would run this thing, they have made to many statements and then back tracked over the past year and half for me to believe that they want us to every experience our idea of "normal" ever again.

....yeah, because it's not like things eased back after lockdowns...

...oh, wait, they DID, didn't they?  Things almost felt normal for awhile, then the latest variants started stacking up the ICUs again.

Here's something that most of us got in junior high health class: the unvaccinated allow themselves to be petri dishes for further mutations exponentially more than the vaccinated.  This isn't political, this isn't clickbait, this is taught to kids for decades/generations.

Some just paid far more attention than others, it seems.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Kentis" said: ^^^ Now your sourcing a former 6th grade science teacher’s twitter account who graduated from an Israeli university w/ 1-10 employees, convincingly awesome…  B) Is Pee Wee Herman next…?  ;) Wikipedia…!?  B) 

This would be a lot funnier if these mental giants weren't taking up every ICU bed across the country. 

I am SOOOO over the selfish fuckers.  You don't want to get the shots.  Fine but don't go to the hospital you selfish fuckers.  Stick to your guns.  You don't want to trust medical professionals pleading with you to get vaccinated, then don't crawl to them to fix you when you get sick. 

Are you ready to take that stand against everybody that bucks the odds or does stupid shit and gets hurt or sick?  Tobacco users that get cancer or other,  obese that get diabetes,   careless sluts that get pregnant?  I am not saying which way I support,  ( Barr likely has a pretty good idea )  but the door has to swing both ways.  That position can't be simply about covid,   if we are going to withhold medical care for those that put themselves into a situation,  then we can't overlook other obvious lapses of judgement or we will cease to be a civilization. 

...
The bulk of my family in MN is not vaccinated.  I'm essentially just waiting to hear of them getting sick/dying and at this point I'll grieve but it was preventable.  They cast their lot.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

How many people do you think are dying from Covid?  The odds are massively in favor of them not dying.

About every two days more people than 9/11.

How about more dead than all of the Americans who died in all the wars of the 20th century....combined. So WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq....and by a lot. 

@"HappyViking" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Just found out my Grand Nephew tested positive. 10 years old. My sister is freaking out.

Hope all turns out Ok, Barr - sorry to hear.

I know everyone is throwing out absolute numbers, but my response
was with regards to the odds of dying.  I
wasn’t trying to dismiss the severity of the total volume of people dying in
this nation of hundreds of millions of people, but more saying that he shouldn’t
spend his time planning the funerals for the inevitable deaths of his
unvaccinated family members.

@"AGRforever" said:

@"purplefaithful" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

10% of the teachers at our school are Covid positive.  Both my kids got exposed today.One teacher caught covid, got Pfizer, and has it again.  She is early 40s.  Her sister is dying of it.  We have NO hospital beds anywhere in our region.  Zero, zilch nada.  Her sister got sent how with a bottle of O2 and a bunch of other stuff and basically told good luck.

I have great empathy for kids, parents and teachers today. It's a really difficult situation we unfortunately find ourselves in. 

Turns out I was exposed Tuesday as well.  Yeah for me!!!
Fully masked KN95 though so here's hoping!!!

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"medaille" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"AGRforever" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Kentis" said: ^^^ Now your sourcing a former 6th grade science teacher’s twitter account who graduated from an Israeli university w/ 1-10 employees, convincingly awesome…  B) Is Pee Wee Herman next…?  ;) Wikipedia…!?  B) 

This would be a lot funnier if these mental giants weren't taking up every ICU bed across the country. 

I am SOOOO over the selfish fuckers.  You don't want to get the shots.  Fine but don't go to the hospital you selfish fuckers.  Stick to your guns.  You don't want to trust medical professionals pleading with you to get vaccinated, then don't crawl to them to fix you when you get sick. 

Are you ready to take that stand against everybody that bucks the odds or does stupid shit and gets hurt or sick?  Tobacco users that get cancer or other,  obese that get diabetes,   careless sluts that get pregnant?  I am not saying which way I support,  ( Barr likely has a pretty good idea )  but the door has to swing both ways.  That position can't be simply about covid,   if we are going to withhold medical care for those that put themselves into a situation,  then we can't overlook other obvious lapses of judgement or we will cease to be a civilization. 

...
The bulk of my family in MN is not vaccinated.  I'm essentially just waiting to hear of them getting sick/dying and at this point I'll grieve but it was preventable.  They cast their lot.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

How many people do you think are dying from Covid?  The odds are massively in favor of them not dying.

About every two days more people than 9/11.

@"purplefaithful" said: @MEdaille,

I'm not sure you're arguing this, but its certainly not an either/or. There's much on that list I'd love to see happen and should happen. 

This country has lost it's way on so many fronts and across many POTUS' and political beliefs. 

We off-shored way to much infrastructure and found ourselves behind the 8 ball on PPE and now on computer chips too. 

What's next??? 

We need to absolutely redevelop competency in manufacturing
things critical to our nation within our borders.  You can also add into your list of things
we’re going to be short on is the lithium in Afghanistan which will be going to
China.  It’s looking like we’re going to
be pushing towards electric cars for climate change whose batteries will be
controlled by China, and if China asserts control over Taiwan, they’ll control
the chips as well.  Whether intentional
or via incompetence, our governmental and corporate leadership couldn’t have
done a better job of weakening America and making it entirely dependent on a
country that is communist in the way we all recognize is bad.  There’s no progressives touting that we
should take up the Chinese model of socialism.

@"BarrNone55" said: Just found out my Grand Nephew tested positive. 10 years old. My sister is freaking out.

@"medaille" said: I know everyone is throwing out absolute numbers, but my response was with regards to the odds of dying.  I wasn’t trying to dismiss the severity of the total volume of people dying in this nation of hundreds of millions of people, but more saying that he shouldn’t spend his time planning the funerals for the inevitable deaths of his unvaccinated family members.

I'm not planning their funeral by any means.  I just wont be surprised to hear if it gets one of them.  We've defied the odds so far.  Between aunts, uncles, cousins and nieces/nephews we've dodged the bullet so far.  I don't feel like counting but there's probably north of 100 between my wife and I and odds would say 1.6 of them would die. 

I talk to people about dying every day nearly so maybe I'm just callous to it. 

Good luck to your grandnephew and niece Barr.  Found out one of my coworkers tested positive...  so far no symptoms for me (crosses everything crossable and thanks scientists for vaccine).

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

I don't disagree. I think positive reinforcement is the best route. Don’t yell or threaten them when they do something wrong. And be sure to reward with praise when they do something right. Tell them you’re proud of them. Consider giving them a treat. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

I don't disagree. I think positive reinforcement is the best route. Don’t yell or threaten them when they do something wrong. And be sure to reward with praise when they do something right. Tell them you’re proud of them. Consider giving them a treat. 

'Good boy! You are a GOOD boy! Yes you are! That's my good boy! Who's all vaccinated now?? Huh, did you get vaccinated?? Such a good boy!! Who wants a treat?? You want treaters?? Who wants a beer?? Good boy want a Coors Lite??'

I can see that working. Jimmy is right. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

I don't disagree. I think positive reinforcement is the best route. Don’t yell or threaten them when they do something wrong. And be sure to reward with praise when they do something right. Tell them you’re proud of them. Consider giving them a treat. 

'Good boy! You are a GOOD boy! Yes you are! That's my good boy! Who's all vaccinated now?? Huh, did you get vaccinated?? Such a good boy!! Who wants a treat?? You want treaters?? Who wants a beer?? Good boy want a Coors Lite??'

I can see that working. Jimmy is right. 

Yep,  because the opposite has been so effective. Nobody has said anything about positive reinforcement just that acting like yall have has done nothing to move the needle.

If you think otherwise then maybe its not the smarts of those avoiding the shot who should have their intelligence questioned. 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

I don't disagree. I think positive reinforcement is the best route. Don’t yell or threaten them when they do something wrong. And be sure to reward with praise when they do something right. Tell them you’re proud of them. Consider giving them a treat. 

'Good boy! You are a GOOD boy! Yes you are! That's my good boy! Who's all vaccinated now?? Huh, did you get vaccinated?? Such a good boy!! Who wants a treat?? You want treaters?? Who wants a beer?? Good boy want a Coors Lite??'

I can see that working. Jimmy is right. 

Yep,  because the opposite has been so effective. Nobody has said anything about positive reinforcement just that acting like yall have has done nothing to move the needle.

If you think otherwise then maybe its not the smarts of those avoiding the shot who should have their intelligence questioned. 

Would photos of refrigerated trucks being used as temporary morgues help? Children on ventilators? 

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"muydnbejydk" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

 "......the public shaming isnt doing anything to put more needles in arms."

    Probably the most important sentence in the entire thread. 4/5 of the posters here are guilty of it. Labeling anyone who is against mandates as anti - vax is divisive as well. Humans generally respond better by being convinced than by being ordered.

I don't disagree. I think positive reinforcement is the best route. Don’t yell or threaten them when they do something wrong. And be sure to reward with praise when they do something right. Tell them you’re proud of them. Consider giving them a treat. 

'Good boy! You are a GOOD boy! Yes you are! That's my good boy! Who's all vaccinated now?? Huh, did you get vaccinated?? Such a good boy!! Who wants a treat?? You want treaters?? Who wants a beer?? Good boy want a Coors Lite??'

I can see that working. Jimmy is right. 

Yep,  because the opposite has been so effective. Nobody has said anything about positive reinforcement just that acting like yall have has done nothing to move the needle.

If you think otherwise then maybe its not the smarts of those avoiding the shot who should have their intelligence questioned. 

Would photos of refrigerated trucks being used as temporary morgues help? Children on ventilators?